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Weakest commanding officer of all the shows?

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Report this Mar. 13 2012, 5:45 pm

I, personally, say yes.


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Report this Mar. 13 2012, 5:54 pm

I don't think so.


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Report this Mar. 13 2012, 6:04 pm

isn't star trek the one with the bald dude? the one with the funny accent? then yes, he is the weakest commanding guy.


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Report this Mar. 13 2012, 6:06 pm

did you just call picard the "bald dude with the funny accent"??? AND your signature calls harry potter stupid! i am going to disable the stun setting on my phaser until i find you for such an insult!


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Report this Mar. 13 2012, 9:08 pm

No - Sisko was the strongest of all the leaders.


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Report this Mar. 13 2012, 9:14 pm

What's with all this "Captain vs Captain" nonsense, anyway. And Riker, if you are going to make such a claim, then you have to justify it.


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Report this Mar. 14 2012, 8:10 am

W.T. Riker, did you even watch DS9?


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Report this Mar. 14 2012, 8:24 am

Sisko was primarily the diplomatic leader of a starbase, not the military leader of a starship.  That puts him in a different context than the other captians.  For one, he is not the master of all he surveys as Kirk, etc, are; Sisko is constantly at the mercy of other forces.


Furthermore, Sisko can't fix everything and this enables other characters to step up to the plate.  DS9 is much more of an ensemble show than other Trek series.


He might be the weakest commander.  Only Janeway, who is horribly flawed and on a horribly flawed show, competes with him.   In any case, Sisko's weakness isn't a problem for the show.


 

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Report this Mar. 14 2012, 8:45 am

My God, don't post on a thread if you don't know what you're talking about.


Now, please understand I'm not trying to be mean...


But YES, Sisko was indeed a "military leader of a starship." He led entire Starfleet task forces against Dominion armadas in the Defiant. He also personally led ground troops in engagements before and during the Dominion War. He even punched Q!


Sisko was HARDLY the weakest commanding officer.


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Report this Mar. 14 2012, 9:26 am


Sisko’s role as a military leader doesn’t invalidate his diplomatic role nor does it supersede the responsibilities he has to other organizations that limit his own authority.  Likewise, the weakness of a character doesn’t make the show bad; in this case Sisko’s lack of authority, relative to other leads, helps the show.


 

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Report this Mar. 14 2012, 11:25 am

Quote: bvbpl @ Mar. 14 2012, 8:24 am

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>Sisko was primarily the diplomatic leader of a starbase, not the military leader of a starship.  That puts him in a different context than the other captians.  For one, he is not the master of all he surveys as Kirk, etc, are; Sisko is constantly at the mercy of other forces.

>Furthermore, Sisko can't fix everything and this enables other characters to step up to the plate.  DS9 is much more of an ensemble show than other Trek series.

>He might be the weakest commander.  Only Janeway, who is horribly flawed and on a horribly flawed show, competes with him.   In any case, Sisko's weakness isn't a problem for the show.

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You just insulted Janeway!!!


I just think that Sisko is the worst! It's my opinion, and that's why I made this poll, to see if anyone agrees with me! don't go yellin at me if you don't agree with me,  just share your opinion and leave! please! this goes for all of you!


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Report this Mar. 14 2012, 11:59 am

Lack of authority, bvbpl? Sisko was placed in charge of entire Starfleet task forces! He even led Klingon and Romulan fleets into battle!


And yes, he ALSO served in a primary diplomatic role with the Bajorans, Cardassians (at times), and the wormhole aliens/"Prophets."


Sisko was the captain of both a space station and a starship.


Archer, Kirk, Picard, and Janeway were only in charge of their respective ships.


Now, you tell me who had limited authority.


 


And W.T. Riker, please don't act like you're a victim. I mean, you've already placed yourself in the "seriously uncool" category by coming onto this board to start a poll you knew would elicit a controversial response.


And then to tell others to leave you alone or just leave?!?


You are the very definition of "troll."


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Report this Mar. 14 2012, 12:39 pm

I think Sisko was strong, especially in the DS9 books.


I think Archer was the weakest.  Maybe the friendliest, but the weakest.


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Report this Mar. 14 2012, 12:40 pm

He had limited authority because he wasn't fully in charge of his staff.  A signifcant portion of the DS9 staff were Bajorans that ultimately answered to Kira and her chain of command, not Sisko.


I don't dispute that Sisko was in charge of Starfleet operations.  He obviously was.  However, Sisko's infulence over his immedite sphere, DS9 and the Bajoran system, is more limited than the power the other captians had over their ships.  On the Enterprise, the buck stopped with Kirk.  On DS9, the buck might have stopped with Sisko, or with Kira, or the Kai, or Odo, or whomever depending on the circumstance.

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Report this Mar. 14 2012, 1:36 pm

The Bajorans working on DS9 answered to Sisko.


The Bajoran government placed Sisko in command of DS9 operations; he selected an XO from the Bajoran militia to help things run smoother.


So Sisko was, indeed, fully in charge of his staff.


But even if we were to assume that the Bajorans only answered to Kira? Well, the buck certainly stopped with Sisko on the Defiant, which puts him in equal standing with Archer, Kirk, Picard, and Janeway.


And that's not even counting the fleets that answered to Sisko during the Dominion War.


Your arguments just don't hold water, bvbpl.


 


But look, I do kinda see where you're going with your line of thinking...


However, you have to remember that Sisko was operating on the frontier of Federation space. And that's really no different from Picard and Kirk having to relinquish "control" to newfound species/races due to the edicts of the Prime Directive. I mean, was Kirk in control of the unexplored space in the Alpha Quadrant? No, he was simply in charge of the crew of the Enterprise.


Likewise, Sisko was in charge of the staff on DS9 and the crew of the Defiant. However, as a Starfleet officer working under the Prime Directive, he was often at the mercy of the wishes of the Bajoran government or the wormhole aliens/"Prophets." But these situations were extremely rare. (Usually, the Bajorans happily took Sisko's advice on interstellar matters.)


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