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Weakest commanding officer of all the shows?

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HadassahJoy

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Report this Apr. 21 2012, 6:58 pm

Sisko is awsome so No hes  one of the strongest

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Report this May. 01 2012, 9:46 pm

Quote: W. T. Riker @ Mar. 13 2012, 5:45 pm

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>I, personally, say yes.

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I agree. All the commanding officers, on every single other show, have a quality that is missing from his character. Perhaps it is just the different setting that life on the station offers from life on a starship, but then again, that's why I love the shows with starships.


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Report this May. 02 2012, 4:21 am

Quote: timmc @ May. 01 2012, 9:46 pm

Quote: W. T. Riker @ Mar. 13 2012, 5:45 pm

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>I, personally, say yes.

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I agree. All the commanding officers, on every single other show, have a quality that is missing from his character. Perhaps it is just the different setting that life on the station offers from life on a starship, but then again, that's why I love the shows with starships.


Again! Elaborate! Don't just say bullshit. Where are your arguments? Which qualities does he suppose to miss?


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Report this May. 02 2012, 5:31 am

Sisko is one of the strongest. I never saw any other CO slug Q. 


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Report this May. 02 2012, 7:41 am




 




I agree. All the commanding officers, on every single other show, have a quality that is missing from his character. Perhaps it is just the different setting that life on the station offers from life on a starship, but then again, that's why I love the shows with starships.




Again! Elaborate! Don't just say bullshit. Where are your arguments? Which qualities does he suppose to miss?


 


I think, to be fair -- and although I do disagree with Tim's main point -- he did at least give some meagre support to his argument.

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Report this May. 02 2012, 8:14 am

OtakuJo, I'd have to kindly disagree...


Gotta go with Hugues on this one; I mean, Sisko was missing qualities?!?  Such as?


And how does "life on a starship" (versus "life on both a space station AND a starship") relate to the question of Sisko being a weak commanding officer?


Honestly, Timmc might as well have typed the following:


"I don't like Sisko, I don't like space stations, and I don't like DS9.  So clearly, Sisko is the weakest of the Trek captains."



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Report this May. 02 2012, 10:42 am

If the original poster was trying to imply that Benjamin Sisko is the weakest Starfleet C.O, then obvioulsy he hasn't seen a single episode of Voyager or Enterprise.


 


Sisko was a very strong leader. He was a driven man with deeply rooted values and passions. He was smart, knew how to surround himself with talented people and empower them to do the ir jobs, and he had tremendous life balance. He could show the whole range of emotion (anger, joy, love, gentleness, hatred, etc) and put each to use to either inspire his people or to motivate himself.


He was just as strong of an administrative leader as he was a skilled diplomat or as a battle tactician.


Actually, the more I write this...the more I think he was equal to or perhaps even better than Picard. Picard lacked the ability to get in touch with himself and allow his own humanity to come through and inspire people and gain their loyalty. Sisko and Kirk on the other hand, leveraged this in abundance, and it makes them each a more charismatic and interesting leader.


Sisko, also like Kirk, wasn't afraid to bend or even break the rules if he had to. He wasn't a self-righteous bureaucrat, but nor was he a gunslinging cavalier rookie. He was also excellent at "telling it like it is." He had a perfect balance of delivering a message without sugar coating it NOR without leaving a trail of dead bodies behind him.


Overall, he's a very balanced, confident leader.


Yeah...I don't even get the debate here. Sisko was a very strong leader in nearly every dimension.

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Report this May. 02 2012, 9:29 pm

That's mostly because the OP's argument contained absolutely no evidence to back it up. And then he got in a mood because of the unforgivable sin of asking him to explain why he felt that way. So there's probably some argument for the other side; we just never got to hear it.


And guy's I never said that Tim's evidence was sound, just that he did at least try to find some reasoning.


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Report this May. 02 2012, 9:46 pm

Sisko is great at what he did my opinion anyways 


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Report this May. 06 2012, 7:04 pm

I thought he was a good leader with strong conviction.

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Report this May. 12 2012, 1:18 pm

Quote: Vger23 @ May. 02 2012, 10:42 am

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>If the original poster was trying to imply that Benjamin Sisko is the weakest Starfleet C.O, then obvioulsy he hasn't seen a single episode of Voyager or Enterprise.

>Sisko was a very strong leader. He was a driven man with deeply rooted values and passions. He was smart, knew how to surround himself with talented people and empower them to do the ir jobs, and he had tremendous life balance. He could show the whole range of emotion (anger, joy, love, gentleness, hatred, etc) and put each to use to either inspire his people or to motivate himself.

>He was just as strong of an administrative leader as he was a skilled diplomat or as a battle tactician.

>Actually, the more I write this...the more I think he was equal to or perhaps even better than Picard. Picard lacked the ability to get in touch with himself and allow his own humanity to come through and inspire people and gain their loyalty. Sisko and Kirk on the other hand, leveraged this in abundance, and it makes them each a more charismatic and interesting leader.

>Sisko, also like Kirk, wasn't afraid to bend or even break the rules if he had to. He wasn't a self-righteous bureaucrat, but nor was he a gunslinging cavalier rookie. He was also excellent at "telling it like it is." He had a perfect balance of delivering a message without sugar coating it NOR without leaving a trail of dead bodies behind him.

>Overall, he's a very balanced, confident leader.

>Yeah...I don't even get the debate here. Sisko was a very strong leader in nearly every dimension.

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^^^This!!! This, this, this. Bravo for just about taking the words right out of my mouth.

I love Benjamin Lafayette Sisko for a variety of reasons: his pride and honor, his humanity, his ability to own up to his mistakes, his sense of humor, his unconventional reasoning skills, his compassion for his crew/friends/loved ones, and mostly just the power he has to instill confidence in those around him just be being who he is.

Unlike Kirk and Picard, who, I think, seemed almost born to be captains, Sisko really seemed to earn his place at Starfleet and amongst his peers by means of the quaities I described above. If that makes him "weak", then I would love to be as weak as he.  

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Report this May. 12 2012, 1:46 pm

as for me none.

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Report this May. 13 2012, 2:30 am

I think they all have their moments, really. Although Archer has less gravitas than the rest (it seems) I wouldn't characterise any main Star Trek captain as "weak".

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Report this May. 13 2012, 8:11 pm

Quote: timmc @ May. 01 2012, 9:46 pm

>All the commanding officers, on every single other show, have a quality that is missing from his character.


if thats the case it should be very simple to lasbel that missing quality you claim Sisko is missing.


So, what is it?


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Report this May. 14 2012, 1:58 am

All of the captains were great in their own way, and you need to admire them for that.

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