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Weakest commanding officer of all the shows?

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W. T. Riker

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Report this Mar. 15 2012, 6:05 am

Quote: TheDriver @ Mar. 14 2012, 8:59 pm

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>Okay, first of all, I think you and your little friends, W.T. Riker, have seriously weakened the discourse around here with your trivial and often inflammatory thread topics and scattershot posts. But hey, that's just my opinion. I'm not intentionally trying to aggravate you.

>Personally, I say your posts are weak sauce.

>But again, I'm not trolling. I've talked to my friends, and they agree. And isn't the point of this place to create controversy?

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>But hey, I'll try to be civil...

>Look at it this way: I head over to a board devoted to Marvel Comics' X-Men. Now, all of the regular posters over there LOVE the X-Men and enjoy discussing aspects of the various characters, plotlines, artists, writers, individual issues, etc. Then I create a thread titled "The weakest team of all the Marvel teams?" and proceed to type my first post "Personally, I say 'yes.'"

>When others start asking why I would visit their thread just to post something like this, I simply respond that the Avengers and Fantastic Four are SO much better. And then tell the other posters to stop picking on me. And I use lots and lots of exclamation points.

>Now, really, what was the purpose of my thread topic? To create fun discourse? Nope. Because as soon as someone starts defending the X-Men, I just jump in, make a snarky remark, talk up the Defenders, and leave. Oh, and I remind the other posters to leave me alone!

>You starting to see the big picture now, kid?

>Just use some common sense and display a little empathy.

>Cool?

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that's the best argument I've seen yet, but I think your're fighting on the wrong front. you say you've talked to your friends and they agree with you. I have also talked to my friends and they agree with me. Now do you see where my point was? I personally like sisko, it was a great show, etc. but looking at all the others, I think he is the weakest as a character. it's my opinion, you don't have to agree with me, but please stop yelling at me for thast opinion. I made the poll part for that reason, so you could merely state YES or NO. If I could have taken away the place where you can post comments here, I would have. I apologize to you all for any inflammatory coments, etc. I just wanted to see who agreed with me. I made another board asking who people thought was the worst, as this one made so much controversy, people can talk to each other about that, and I will keep out of it.


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Report this Mar. 15 2012, 10:26 am

On a ship, the captain is the ultimat authority. Yes, there are laws and policies that govern how she/he is supposed to conduct themselves and the affairs of their ships, but theirs is the final call. For better insight into this I suggest you read Mutiny On The Bounty as well as The Caine Mutiny.


Also, while the others were commanding ships, Sisco was the starfleet commander of a Bajoran space station. IMHO, he is more of administrator than any of the others. He had to not only answer directly to starfleet, but the Bajoran provitional government as well. Then there was the add pressure of being Emissary to the Profits.


One of the things I like about DS9 is that it is so different due to the fact that we get to see anentirely different asprct of the federation, being that it is a staionary post as opposed to exploritory expidition.


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Report this Mar. 15 2012, 3:25 pm

this sums up my feelings


http://www.racialicious.com/2012/03/15/o-captain-my-captain-a-look-back-at-deep-space-nines-ben-sisko/

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Report this Mar. 15 2012, 3:59 pm

I find Sisko actually one of the better Commanding Officers.


I say Cpt Pike was the weakest one, from the origional pilot episode.


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Report this Mar. 15 2012, 4:05 pm

They all have their strong parts,as well as weak moments.

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Report this Mar. 15 2012, 5:31 pm

DS9 was a curiously complex situation compared to a star ship, notwithstanding the additional complication of the wormhole prophets and their designation of Sisko as the Emissary.  I sometimes felt that Avery Brooks was phoning in his role.  Unfortunate, because I liked him in other series.  DS9 was so different from everything else that I'm not sure a good comparison can be made.

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Report this Mar. 16 2012, 7:58 am

I usually avoid reacting on this spamming kid's threads. He's not worth it. He apologised for spamming and still is doing exactly the same.


Mr. Riker, you can not just say that Sisko is the weakest captain without argumenting why you think so.


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Report this Apr. 01 2012, 2:21 am

Command of a station with a mixed Starfleet and Bajoran crew is more difficult than command of an all-Starfleet ship.  Sisko had the added complication that it was a Bajoran station, and significant numbers of decisions were made for him by the Bajoran government.  Examples -- whether to grant extradition, whether to arrest war criminals from during the occupation, allowing Quark's cousin's weapons showroom to take place in the holosuite.  In a similar Earth situation, Sisko would probably have been a commodore or rear admiral at the beginning of the show, and at least a vice admiral when he was commanding the task force at the height of the war.


Yes, he did let Dax off in Blood Oath.  But that was peacetime and Dax had leave coming.  I don't think he could have gotten her for murder, since she was following Klingon custom and the Albino wasn't in Federation space.  You could also argue that just because we didn't see Sisko balling her out on the screen that it didn't happen sometime when they were in private, not in Ops.


Of course he allowed Worf to serve on the Klingon ship.  Doing so strengthened the alliance between the Federation and the Klingons.  During WW II (and other times as well), officers have been exchanged between allied forces.


I think Sisko was the strongest and most believable of the Star Trek captains.


 

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Report this Apr. 01 2012, 2:15 pm

Quote: Hugues @ Mar. 16 2012, 7:58 am

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>I usually avoid reacting on this spamming kid's threads. He's not worth it. He apologised for spamming and still is doing exactly the same.

>Mr. Riker, you can not just say that Sisko is the weakest captain without argumenting why you think so.

>Please, do us all a favor and wear this:

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>Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam!

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If I were to hazard a guess, I would say that he isn't equipped with the intellectual tools to figure out why he thinks Sisko is the weakest captain, never mind tell anyone. When he's older and a little wiser, perhaps.


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Report this Apr. 01 2012, 8:26 pm

I thought Sisko was the best! At least, the most realistic. Picard was too perfect for my taste.


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Report this Apr. 03 2012, 10:24 am

Weakest captain?    No.

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Report this Apr. 11 2012, 4:23 pm

The weakest commanding officer was Archer. If you look at the others they all have particular strengths that made them stand out. Kirk and Sisko were decisive and good soldiers. Picard and Janeway were great diplomats who occassionally used unconventional methods to solve problems.  Archer just went along with a trial and error attitude that didn't always serve him or his crew well at all.  If anything it put them in more danger. If it were real life Archer and his crew wouldn't have lasted a full year in space.

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Report this Apr. 11 2012, 4:58 pm

Quote: captainroe @ Apr. 11 2012, 4:23 pm

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>The weakest commanding officer was Archer. If you look at the others they all have particular strengths that made them stand out. Kirk and Sisko were decisive and good soldiers. Picard and Janeway were great diplomats who occassionally used unconventional methods to solve problems.  Archer just went along with a trial and error attitude that didn't always serve him or his crew well at all.  If anything it put them in more danger. If it were real life Archer and his crew wouldn't have lasted a full year in space.

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I see your points, but at that point StarFleet was in several ways like NASA, and still trying to figure things out.  Without centuries of history as part of an interstellar community to refer to, a trial and error approach was necessary.

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Report this Apr. 16 2012, 5:58 pm

Quote: OtakuJo @ Apr. 01 2012, 2:15 pm

Quote: Hugues @ Mar. 16 2012, 7:58 am

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>I usually avoid reacting on this spamming kid's threads. He's not worth it. He apologised for spamming and still is doing exactly the same.

>Mr. Riker, you can not just say that Sisko is the weakest captain without argumenting why you think so.

>Please, do us all a favor and wear this:

>

>Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam!

>

If I were to hazard a guess, I would say that he isn't equipped with the intellectual tools to figure out why he thinks Sisko is the weakest captain, never mind tell anyone. When he's older and a little wiser, perhaps.


Of course, it might be considered spamming to make a post for the soul purpose of insulting others.


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Report this Apr. 19 2012, 3:59 pm

I suppose if I had to pick one I'd go with Captain Kirk simply because he was always letting his hormones get in the way and falling for some alien or human female but that's just me. I think deciding which of the captains was the weakest is very subjective. It simply depends on what kind of personality you like and so on. I liked all of them usually and they all had their good qualities. I don't think any of them were "weak" they just had different command styles.

But I will say that Sisko did annoy me more than the others did but I can't really explain why. Just that sometimes his personality rubbed me the wrong way.

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