Why is seven of nine called seven of nine?

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Report this Mar. 14 2012, 4:44 am

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Quote: dario_ares @ Mar. 13 2012, 5:28 pm

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>I do remember there was a 3 of 9 in one episode... which one was it???

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Not sure but "Third of Five" was Hugh from Next Gen.


Yes, but there was a Voyager episode when they encountered 3 exdrones that were psychically linked to each other.  IIRC they were 2, 3 & 4 of 9.  They, along with 7, had crashed years earlier & lost their connection to the collective temporarily.

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Report this Mar. 14 2012, 8:16 am

Reading through this thread was like making a mind-numbing visit to the Department of Redundancy Department.



Some of you (actually, a lot of you) Trek fans need to pay attention to other people's posts; reading the same thing over and over again was incredibly silly.


Just sayin'...


BTW, did you know that Seven of Nine DID have a real name? It was Annika Hansen. And she was called Seven of Nine because she was the seventh member of a nine-Borg team?


Ha.


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Report this Mar. 14 2012, 9:31 am

Quote: Beershark @ Mar. 14 2012, 3:38 am

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>And who says she was alienated from the audience? With her struggle to regain her humanity while still trying to hold on to some part of her ....borgness, for lack of a better word, she was one of the more engaging characters of the series.

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Ryan succeeded in connecting with the audience in spite of her character’s nature, not because of it.  The character itself is crap; it can’t connect with the audience.  That’s why they put Seven of Nine in so many scenes with non-human characters, like the Doctor, and so many fantasy scenes.  The show set up a horribly flawed character, realized they had great actress, then raced around trying to set up absurd circumstances that highlight the actress.  They should have had the character develop and evolve in a manner that enabled Ryan to flex her acting ability.  They tried to do just that later on, but it was too little, too late and WAY too poorly written (like much of Voyager).




And the fact that Seven of Nine was one of the more engaging characters just illustrates how bad the characters on Voyager were.


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Report this Mar. 15 2012, 10:08 am

Quote: bvbpl @ Mar. 14 2012, 9:31 am

Quote: Beershark @ Mar. 14 2012, 3:38 am

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>And who says she was alienated from the audience? With her struggle to regain her humanity while still trying to hold on to some part of her ....borgness, for lack of a better word, she was one of the more engaging characters of the series.

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Ryan succeeded in connecting with the audience in spite of her character’s nature, not because of it.  The character itself is crap; it can’t connect with the audience.  That’s why they put Seven of Nine in so many scenes with non-human characters, like the Doctor, and so many fantasy scenes.  The show set up a horribly flawed character, realized they had great actress, then raced around trying to set up absurd circumstances that highlight the actress.  They should have had the character develop and evolve in a manner that enabled Ryan to flex her acting ability.  They tried to do just that later on, but it was too little, too late and WAY too poorly written (like much of Voyager).


And the fact that Seven of Nine was one of the more engaging characters just illustrates how bad the characters on Voyager were.


 


 The character is supposed to be dissengged from the rest of the crew. They were uncomfortable with her and she with they and herself. Don't forget Janeway forced her to leave the collective. Seven wanted to go back. Over time, she embraced her individuality and yet still tride to hold on to those things from being bprg that added to that individuality. Her closeness to the doctor is due to the fact that they each more like each other than the human members of the crew, giving them a common point at wich to start a friendship. By the end, the character had grown and softened some from her experiences and deepening conection with her humanity.


"Imperfection" is one of the characters finest moments and highlights how evolved the charcter had become. The writers did a great job developing the character over time with out rushung the process. They allowed us to wittness the growth of 7of9. We saw her go from wanting to return to the collective to accepting her individuality, eventually embracing it, to then getting in deeper touch with her humanity.


You don't see that because you obviously weren't paying close enough attention. As you don't appear to care for Voyager in the first place, that is to be expected and is just fine. Not all of us are going to like the same things.


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Report this Mar. 15 2012, 10:12 am

Quote: TheDriver @ Mar. 14 2012, 8:16 am

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>Reading through this thread was like making a mind-numbing visit to the Department of Redundancy Department.

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>Some of you (actually, a lot of you) Trek fans need to pay attention to other people's posts; reading the same thing over and over again was incredibly silly.

>Just sayin'...

>BTW, did you know that Seven of Nine DID have a real name? It was Annika Hansen. And she was called Seven of Nine because she was the seventh member of a nine-Borg team?

>Ha.

>*shaking head*

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Some folks choose to respond to the OP rather tha other responses. If we all did as you suggest, life around here would be dull, as all post would then be redundant after the first 2 or 3.


Another option to correct the problem as you pointed it out would be for you to avoid the boards all together.


Just sayin'...


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Report this Mar. 16 2012, 4:59 pm

She was a child when she was assimilated, then put in one of those maturation chambers, the Borg have, to get her to adulthood quicker.


When she got out, she was put in a group of 9 borg of which she was the 7th member... as other said before.


There is one episode (at the end of the series) where you see others in her group. Many years earlier her Borg ship crashed and Seven ended up being responsible for the others in that group of 9, to be re-assimilated to the Borg.


This episode shows and explains that when that ship crashed, and the Borg-viculum was destroyed (the device that is responsible for the connection with the hive)... all the Borgs in that group regained their humanity slowly. Seven felt uncomfortable with it, because she was assimilated at such a young age and had basically only remembered life as a Borg. The other surviving members of the group of nine had less problem with it, as they had been assimilated as adults.


In the end, Seven reassimilated the surviving members of that group, because she was afraid of not being Borg and what it may result into. She forced the surviving Borg back into the hive, because of her own fears she recalled as a kid.


Through the whole series Seven Of Nine had always made it clear she did not wanted to be reminded of her past as a child. At some points when it was needed she looked at the logs of her parents ship,... she said many times she did not want to do that,...She hated too be remembered of her childhood,... as that would force her to recall her parents,... and reminded her of what they were responsible for and gotten her into.


Seven Of Nine calls herself Seven still,... because for the longer part of her life her name has been 7-of-9,... not Annika Hansen. Her human name reminds her of the past too much.


That is why her name is Seven...  It is as simple as that!

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Report this Mar. 18 2012, 6:06 pm

Quote: Beershark @ Mar. 15 2012, 10:08 am

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>"Imperfection" is one of the characters finest moments and highlights how evolved the charcter had become. The writers did a great job developing the character over time with out rushung the process. They allowed us to wittness the growth of 7of9. We saw her go from wanting to return to the collective to accepting her individuality, eventually embracing it, to then getting in deeper touch with her humanity.

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They paired Seven of Nine with the Doctor because Ryan and Picardo were the best actors on the show and they both had musical talent; they made up for the poor quality of the rest of the cast.  I rather doubt that the writers "took their time" in developing the character.  Instead, they shoehorned her character development into the seventh season.  Look at what we have in the seventh season: Unimatrix Zero part II, Imperfection, Body and Soul (which uses an absurd possession scheme as a means for Ryan to show emotions), Repentance, Workforce (again, the show creates a fanatasy reality where Ryan can have a character with a broader emotional range), and Human Error (yuck).  Seven of Nine had been on the show since season four, but the show waited until season seven to develop and grow the character.  The episode that supposedly showed the most growth in Seven of Nine, Human Error, was a just a craptastic disaster.

Critical Care is also from the seventh season.  While not a Seven of Nine episode, it does demonstrate how the show goes out of its way to separate its good actor's characters (in this case Picardo's Doctor) in unusual circumstances as a means to develop the character.  Those characters seemingly cannot develop on the ship (or, rather, the writers aren't up to the task) or the show wouldn't have to use absurd circumstances like a parable about health care rationing as a means to flesh out the holographic character.


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Report this Mar. 18 2012, 7:29 pm

Quote: bvbpl @ Mar. 18 2012, 6:06 pm

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>I rather doubt that the writers "took their time" in developing the character.  Instead, they shoehorned her character development into the seventh season.  Look at what we have in the seventh season: Unimatrix Zero part II, Imperfection, Body and Soul (which uses an absurd possession scheme as a means for Ryan to show emotions), Repentance, Workforce (again, the show creates a fanatasy reality where Ryan can have a character with a broader emotional range), and Human Error (yuck).  Seven of Nine had been on the show since season four, but the show waited until season seven to develop and grow the character.

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Are you kidding? Let's take a look at all the Seven-centric episodes oustide of season 7:


Season 4


- The Gift


- Revulsion


- The Raven


- Retrospect


- The Omega Directive


- One


- Hope and Fear


Total: 7


Season 5


- Drone


- Infinite Regress


- Bliss


- Dark Frontier


- Think Tank


- Someone to Watch Over Me


Total: 6


Season 6


- Survival Instinct


- One Small Step


- The Voyager Conspiracy


- Tsunkatse


- Collective


- Child's Play


Total: 6


So Season 4 was actually the most Seven-centric season, at 7 episodes. The others totalled 6 each.


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Report this Mar. 19 2012, 5:38 am

Seven-centrism isn't the question.  Most of the episodes that are centered on Seven don't develop the character, they stagnate it.

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Report this Mar. 19 2012, 10:01 am

Beershark, nice to know you're advocating laziness...


Sheesh.


BTW, the posts WERE redundant after the first 2 or 3! Merely replying to the OP MAKES the posts redundant. So I'm not quite sure where you're coming from...


Maybe a "What's your favorite color?" thread would allow you to only concentrate on the OP's post. But a thread that asks a direct question? C'mon, don't you think the 10 posts above you probably already addressed the inquiry?!?


Ha.


Anyway, I think it's more fun to ADD to the other posters' comments, rather than rehash them.


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Report this Mar. 19 2012, 8:59 pm

Quote: TheDriver @ Mar. 19 2012, 10:01 am

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>Beershark, nice to know you're advocating laziness...

>Sheesh.

>BTW, the posts WERE redundant after the first 2 or 3! Merely replying to the OP MAKES the posts redundant. So I'm not quite sure where you're coming from...

>Maybe a "What's your favorite color?" thread would allow you to only concentrate on the OP's post. But a thread that asks a direct question? C'mon, don't you think the 10 posts above you probably already addressed the inquiry?!?

>Ha.

>Anyway, I think it's more fun to ADD to the other posters' comments, rather than rehash them.

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Your first mistake is to assume I care what you think, your second was assume everyone should think and act as you do.


It was a stupid question. So if being told by 125 different people the very simple answer makes the OP feel silly for even asking, that works for me.


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Report this Mar. 19 2012, 10:31 pm

Yes, I'm asking so much for people to actually read the posts above their own posts. You know, to avoid repeating the same thing over and over again. Ha.


Wow, what a jerk I am.



You, on the other hand, have already managed to insult me AND any poster - past, present, or future - whose question annoys you.


Hmmm...


Quite honestly, I'm rather happy that you tend to not care what I think of you. (It makes things less uncomfortable.)


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Report this Mar. 20 2012, 12:32 am

Then my work here is done.

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Report this Mar. 20 2012, 12:37 am

Quote: TheDriver @ Mar. 19 2012, 10:01 am

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>Beershark, nice to know you're advocating laziness...

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Ah laziness....


Just wrote a 1500 word essay in two days. Send some laziness right here. Ta.


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Report this Mar. 20 2012, 12:48 am

Quote: TheDriver @ Mar. 19 2012, 10:01 am

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>Beershark, nice to know you're advocating laziness...

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Of course! We nasty Obama lovin' liberals do stuff like that... when we're not being lazy.


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