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It's Time to Move ON to 25th Century

Mitchz95

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Report this Mar. 14 2012, 8:49 pm

Quote: Nacelles @ Mar. 14 2012, 6:06 pm

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>The door has been wide open for a time travel series. Daniels and the "Factions" in the Enterprise series, Gary Seven in TOS, not to mention the Time portal "The Guardian of Forever." So much to explore here, yet only grazed by an episode here and there.

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Sorry, but I had to laugh when I read that. There are literally DOZENS of time travel stories scattered throughout Star Trek. The occassional one is fine, but Star Trek is supposed to be about exploring SPACE.


"The future is in the hands of those who explore... And from all the beauty they discover while crossing perpetually receding frontiers, they develop for nature and for humankind an infinite love." - Jacques Yves Cousteau

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Report this Apr. 09 2012, 12:07 pm

For the 25th century show, can also consolt Star Trek episodes that had time travel into the future, e.g. TNG "All Good Things..." for what they used in the future, like the comm badges. And then bring those into the shows set in the future. 

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Report this Apr. 09 2012, 1:37 pm

Quote: Vger23 @ Mar. 11 2012, 9:09 am

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>Quote: Sidus Iter @ Mar. 10 2012, 9:50 pm

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>>"...I think it's time to Move on into the 25 th Century following TNG, Ds9 and Voyager Timeline. What do you all Think?..."

>> I'm with you. I was so invested in the TNG-DS9-VOY overlapping time periods and story arcs that when it was announced ENT was going to be a prequal I literally felt cheated and couldn't muster up enough enthusiasm to watch it. I loved what had developed over those three interlocking series, and after having spent so much time following them I wanted to see where the writers could take the story NEXT. But no, the powers that be decided to press the pause button on that storyline. I'm ready for them to hit play again.

>> As far as I'm concerned, any new TV series should be post-Voyager, but just 'post' enough to allow characters from the previous shows to make guest appearances in which the actors' real ages come across as believable.

>> I think a new show should have an ongoing and ever-developing storyline, one thing I loved about DS9, and should certainly be space-based (ship or station or both), no planetary or Starfleet Academy shows for me please, I'm one of those people who tuned in to see cool stuff in space.

>> Also, a new show absolutely MUST tie in with the events of the previous shows (ENT and JJ-verse excluded). There's any number of possibilities... What's happening in the Gamma Quadrant after the Dominion War? For that matter, what's happening in the Alpha Quadrant after the Dominion War? Voyager seemed to purposely avoid that topic after DS9 ended. Perhaps something in the peace treaty requires a Starfleet presence in the Gamma quadrant on the other side of the wormhole? Perhaps the Borg are making incursions into Dominion space on the other side of the galaxy? Perhaps the Dominion was forced to give up some of its vast territories in the Gamma Quadrant and the Federation has to step in to assist with the organization of a new peace. There have to be a million places to start.

>> All I know for certain is that after ten years I am DYING for a new Trek series that continues the TNG-DS9-VOY storyline. I am so completely burnt out on crime dramas, medical dramas, and mind-numbing reality shows that I hardly watch primetime network offerings at all anymore.

>> Star Trek needs to come back to the small screen, in all of its clever sci-fi and positive human future glory...and SOON. The cost-cutting advancements in CGI can surely make the salaries of a writing staff viable with some of the other crap on TV these days, can't it? There's also a pre-existing and world-wide fan base guaranteed to tune in, as long as the powers that be stop insulting them with prequals and alternative timelines...

>> Hell, ask Ron Moore to take the helm. Let him work out a show bible and hire a familiar writing staff (maybe he could even get Brad and David to pen an episode once in a while). Bring Hutzel, Drexler, and the Okudas onboard in the art department. Maybe have Rick turn out a new ship if he's willing (I've always loved the lines of Voyager, well done Rick). I mean, the experienced and Trek-knowledgeable people are still out there. For crying out loud, we need to get the ball rolling again.

>Quote: Sidus Iter @ Mar. 10 2012, 9:50 pm

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>>"...I think it's time to Move on into the 25 th Century following TNG, Ds9 and Voyager Timeline. What do you all Think?..."

>> I'm with you. I was so invested in the TNG-DS9-VOY overlapping time periods and story arcs that when it was announced ENT was going to be a prequal I literally felt cheated and couldn't muster up enough enthusiasm to watch it. I loved what had developed over those three interlocking series, and after having spent so much time following them I wanted to see where the writers could take the story NEXT. But no, the powers that be decided to press the pause button on that storyline. I'm ready for them to hit play again.

>> As far as I'm concerned, any new TV series should be post-Voyager, but just 'post' enough to allow characters from the previous shows to make guest appearances in which the actors' real ages come across as believable.

>> I think a new show should have an ongoing and ever-developing storyline, one thing I loved about DS9, and should certainly be space-based (ship or station or both), no planetary or Starfleet Academy shows for me please, I'm one of those people who tuned in to see cool stuff in space.

>> Also, a new show absolutely MUST tie in with the events of the previous shows (ENT and JJ-verse excluded). There's any number of possibilities... What's happening in the Gamma Quadrant after the Dominion War? For that matter, what's happening in the Alpha Quadrant after the Dominion War? Voyager seemed to purposely avoid that topic after DS9 ended. Perhaps something in the peace treaty requires a Starfleet presence in the Gamma quadrant on the other side of the wormhole? Perhaps the Borg are making incursions into Dominion space on the other side of the galaxy? Perhaps the Dominion was forced to give up some of its vast territories in the Gamma Quadrant and the Federation has to step in to assist with the organization of a new peace. There have to be a million places to start.

>> All I know for certain is that after ten years I am DYING for a new Trek series that continues the TNG-DS9-VOY storyline. I am so completely burnt out on crime dramas, medical dramas, and mind-numbing reality shows that I hardly watch primetime network offerings at all anymore.

>> Star Trek needs to come back to the small screen, in all of its clever sci-fi and positive human future glory...and SOON. The cost-cutting advancements in CGI can surely make the salaries of a writing staff viable with some of the other crap on TV these days, can't it? There's also a pre-existing and world-wide fan base guaranteed to tune in, as long as the powers that be stop insulting them with prequals and alternative timelines...

>> Hell, ask Ron Moore to take the helm. Let him work out a show bible and hire a familiar writing staff (maybe he could even get Brad and David to pen an episode once in a while). Bring Hutzel, Drexler, and the Okudas onboard in the art department. Maybe have Rick turn out a new ship if he's willing (I've always loved the lines of Voyager, well done Rick). I mean, the experienced and Trek-knowledgeable people are still out there. For crying out loud, we need to get the ball rolling again.

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>Aren't 21 seasons enough for you and the four from ENT?

>Some people are greedy

>So, I agree with ServalanFan on this one.

>It's the entitled, whiny "WHERE'S MY NEW STAR TREK" mentality that has honestly nearly killed the franchise in the past.

>Stamping out yet another mass-produced fanwanky Star Trek series, complete with "guest appearances from former cast members" with the same tired creative team at the helm is not going to happen, and it would be a disaster if they tried.

>At the risk of being completely insulting, it's this kind of appetite and attitude toward the franchise that makes it pretty much impossible for a new show to get made. Star Trek has gone on for more than 45 years, primarily as a television franchise. It's tired...and to attempt to just churn out "more of the same" with the same timeline, same tone, same themes, same production team etc. would be absolutely horrific. First, the only people who would care about it would be "The Fans" so there would be no mass-audience appeal to sustain it. And, since "The Fans" are largely splintered and impossible to satisfy- they would not be NEARLY enough to sustain a series like this.

>If Trek is going to return to TV, it's going to be one of two different ways:

>1. A complete re-boot (like Battlestar) of the original characters and concept. Different than the JJ movie, and different than the Roddenberry / Berman legacy. Something completely new for an entirely new generation of potential viewers...but using the same basic characters and relationships that made the original successful.

>2. A complete departure from everything, retaining only the fundamental format and elements(The Federation, exploring space, Starfleet, etc). So, a "re-boot" but without using any of the existing characters or conventions.

>Those are the only two possibilities I see as feasible for an actual network to take a stab at doing another live-action Star Trek show. Those of you hoping for a "Star Trek The NEXT Next Generation" Series set in the TNG/DS9/VOY timeline simply aren't going to get it. You're not going to see Capt. Janeway and Kira Nerys showing up as guests on a 2-part episode that goes into what happened to the political structure of the galaxy after Shinzon murdered the Romulan senate. You guys have all been reading too many of the crappy novels.

>That kind of Star Trek died slowly on the vine with the failures of VOY, ENT, Insurrection, and Nemesis. The proof is in the numbers. It got old, stale, and nobody really cared any longer.

>As for the "pre-existing audience guaranteed to tune in..." you couldn't be any more wrong. The pre-existing audience faded during Voyager and barely even noticed that Insurrection and Nemesis was in the theaters based on the horrible box office and reviews. That said, you release something new and fresh (in terms of approach and style) like the 2009 movie, and you end up with more box-office than the prior 2 movies combined.

>Some of you guys need to separate what you "want" from what is "realistic and necessary."

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Well you know they can make the new series into an animated one (think DCAU, Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex it was called that for a reason, and many others)


Like instead of real actors, use animation. Also mind you Star Trek was a social commentary too, (civil rights, envornmental, Cold War, Terrorism and etc) so instead of showing just another ship, show different people. Maybe you don't need a ship possible just have a team (like Law and Order) or focus on non-Starfleet personel like the Federation citizens.

JASantiago88

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Report this Apr. 09 2012, 1:43 pm

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>sadly we may never see a 25th century star trek show in this day and age of dumb downed television with fresh faced good looking actors in there mid twenties who cant act and belong in a fashion show modeling clothes. for now we are stuck in the alternate universe with 2 movies apart of the JJ trilogy to come out. the only prime universe star trek series i see is another prequel full of young bad actors mostly called starflett academy so it will draw in the young dumb mindless androids of this generation. I WANT A REAL STAR TREK SHOW DAMMIT. by the way with my talk you would think i am a bitter old man but im not infact i am 26 years of age but i weep for most of the trash on tv and at the cinema these days i prefer classics. the generation younger than me are so clueless. P.S. vulcan was destroyed in the alternate universe not the prime universe so quit crying.

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Well unless you get real young actors that act. I mean people have to start someone where. But instead of the Academy , think about this:


Starfleet cadets inspace. Like they travel in space with the officers. More like a high show (not the American ones, the Japanese ones) and do it with Anime

norske77

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Report this Apr. 09 2012, 1:54 pm

A 25th century show would be amazing, at least the idea. A Federation, fully united Alpha quadrant, Romulans, everyone, with cloaking technology. A Federation that explores deep space and possibly another galaxy. It could be called Star Trek Galaxy or Generations. The Generations idea could incoporate ideas from the movie by the same name. An elderly Admiral Picard could start off the show, seeing off the newest Enterprise, as it sets off to explore Andromeda. The Enterprise would have to be incredibly advanced, with a cloak, Borg-type weaponry, and a warp drive that exceeds 10. I imagine a show that takes elements from all the series and movies to truly energize us Star Trek fans! Hell, call it Star Trek Andromeda.

JASantiago88

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Report this Apr. 09 2012, 4:53 pm

Quote: norske77 @ Apr. 09 2012, 1:54 pm

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>A 25th century show would be amazing, at least the idea. A Federation, fully united Alpha quadrant, Romulans, everyone, with cloaking technology. A Federation that explores deep space and possibly another galaxy. It could be called Star Trek Galaxy or Generations. The Generations idea could incoporate ideas from the movie by the same name. An elderly Admiral Picard could start off the show, seeing off the newest Enterprise, as it sets off to explore Andromeda. The Enterprise would have to be incredibly advanced, with a cloak, Borg-type weaponry, and a warp drive that exceeds 10. I imagine a show that takes elements from all the series and movies to truly energize us Star Trek fans! Hell, call it Star Trek Andromeda.

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Report this Apr. 10 2012, 11:19 am

I agree 100 percent!  The same with another favorite of mine--The Lord Of The Rings.  When you go back, to before you first started, you already know what the future of that timeline is.  That spoils things.  Then, you have to leave things where the first story you saw started, so you wind up leaving--usually--in an unpleasant place, since good journeys begin when everything has gotten out of whack and order needs to be restored.


We saw all this in the Star Wars "trilogies," in which we went back after the 9th(?) film, Return Of The Jedi.


The finales are so good, that going backwards in the story's timeline can never equal what we've already seen.  Granted, these back-stories can fill in a lot of details and explain things.  But, they are usually boring, compared to what we have already seen.


Therefore, I much prefer stories that go forward in time from where they start.  I'm thinking that I might not even want to watch The Hobbit, when it hits theaters.


Var Miklama--Zakdorn, engineer. "A sound mind in a FULL body!" "Time, like latinum, is a limited quantity in the galaxy."

Mitchz95

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Report this Apr. 10 2012, 4:06 pm

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>the lord of the rings movies are boring as hell a trilogy of hairy footed midgets walking to a bloody volcano how exciting even the trees walked in those movies. overrated movies by a overrated director whos only great movie is the frighteners starring michael j. fox. the hobbit will be crap. yes i know im off topic so sue me.

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You might want to throw "in my opinion" in there somewhere. What's 'boring as hell' to you may be thrilling to other people.


Your favorite genre, whatever that may be, is not the only good one out there.


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Report this Apr. 11 2012, 6:54 am

 


YES I AGREE. But once in awhile they have to show some history of how a situration got started


all the star trek series vulcans ,

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Report this Apr. 11 2012, 10:19 am

I guess if the film makers want to continue with prequels, can have a spin-off series about the Eugenics Wars. 

JASantiago88

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Report this Apr. 16 2012, 8:06 pm

you know..it would be better if Zachary Quinto does the new computer voice

Mitchz95

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Report this Apr. 16 2012, 8:08 pm

^ Maybe in the mirror universe...


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Report this Apr. 16 2012, 11:27 pm

i was just saying on another post that i want to see a fugitive style star trek, where 1 or 2 guys go from planet to planet doing stuff, but in the trek universe. it'd be a fresh way to go for the series. maybe the federation got corrupted somehow or he's behind enemy lines for some reason.... OMG what if it was about han solo and chewy!!!

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Report this May. 20 2012, 12:09 am

Yes! I love the prequels and all things Trek but for the love of the Prophets, we need to move on!


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