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It's Time to Move ON to 25th Century

JaydenJaneway

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Report this Mar. 09 2012, 12:40 pm

I think it's time to Move on into the 25 th Century following TNG, Ds9 and Voyager Timeline. What do you all Think? I don't know about you all but I've seen enough Prequels. "Enterprise" and The Last Movie has done that already. 


I think if they ever do another TV series, which I highly Doubt it, but If they do they need to move on Into the Future.  How do You all feel about that? What kind of Ideas do you have for a 25 th century show?


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Report this Mar. 09 2012, 2:46 pm

The movie wasn't a prequel. I wouldn't say no to a 25th century show, but meanwhile tough poops I'm afraid because you're probably going to see at least two more movies come out.


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Report this Mar. 09 2012, 3:00 pm

i didn't mind the J.J. Abrams "Star Trek", but i did have issues with the fact the timeline was altered in a significant way, with what happened to Vulcan.  everything from the original series to Star Trek Voyager would be affected by the butterfly effect.  i do miss films in plotted in the 24th century.  there can be much more in the films like with the Cardassians, Ferengi, or how sweet would it be to have the Q be involved.  if they can't think of anymore films, then perhaps they need to do a new show based in the 24th/25th century.  

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Report this Mar. 09 2012, 3:52 pm

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Report this Mar. 09 2012, 8:36 pm

Quote: anthony.pribbenow1 @ Mar. 09 2012, 3:00 pm

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>i didn't mind the J.J. Abrams "Star Trek", but i did have issues with the fact the timeline was altered in a significant way, with what happened to Vulcan.  everything from the original series to Star Trek Voyager would be affected by the butterfly effect.  i do miss films in plotted in the 24th century.  there can be much more in the films like with the Cardassians, Ferengi, or how sweet would it be to have the Q be involved.  if they can't think of anymore films, then perhaps they need to do a new show based in the 24th/25th century.  

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The timeline wasn't changed, it's a new quantum reality that branched off in 2233.


I agree with the OP. I loved Enterprise, and would love to see it ressurrected, but I seriously hope we get back to the prime universe soon. Unlikely, but you never know...


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Report this Mar. 10 2012, 4:21 am

I like the sound of a future trek. however, Voyager, TNG. DS9 seemed to have too much techno babble. INMHO.  I liked the new movie and i like  the chnace to relive the TOS era.


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Report this Mar. 10 2012, 8:56 am

All that should matter to people is that the quality of the stories and characters is excellent. If fans or audiences really care about what "timeframe" a series or movie based in a fictional science-fiction universe is set in, they have lost sight of what has made that franchise great in the first place.


History of the Trek franchise has proved out that the "timeframe" means nothing in terms of the quality of the show.


TOS and TNG were sort of "classics in their own time" (although TOS was obviously far more recognized as a cultural iconic classic), and they took place 78 years apart. In contrast, VOY and ENT were both kind of universally "meh" at best, and they took place 2 centuries apart. Then, the last movie comes out and does something double-new by not only going back to the timeframe of the original, but also in re-casting the classic characters, and that is suddenly massively successful.


There's no secret sauce, kids. It's simply about story and character quality. It's not about the political and social climate in the galaxy. It's not about portraying even NEWER technologies, and NEWER ships and NEWER races...because that stuff isn't really what makes Star Trek great!!!


The fact that there are fans who actually DO care about this kind of nonsense is, to me, very indicative of why they no longer have any true influence or power in the franchise...and why the direction that the new movie went in was so proper and so necessary.

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Report this Mar. 10 2012, 9:00 am


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Report this Mar. 10 2012, 9:08 am

Quote: Vger23 @ Mar. 10 2012, 8:56 am

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>All that should matter to people is that the quality of the stories and characters is excellent. If fans or audiences really care about what "timeframe" a series or movie based in a fictional science-fiction universe is set in, they have lost sight of what has made that franchise great in the first place.

>History of the Trek franchise has proved out that the "timeframe" means nothing in terms of the quality of the show.

>TOS and TNG were sort of "classics in their own time" (although TOS was obviously far more recognized as a cultural iconic classic), and they took place 78 years apart. In contrast, VOY and ENT were both kind of universally "meh" at best, and they took place 2 centuries apart. Then, the last movie comes out and does something double-new by not only going back to the timeframe of the original, but also in re-casting the classic characters, and that is suddenly massively successful.

>There's no secret sauce, kids. It's simply about story and character quality. It's not about the political and social climate in the galaxy. It's not about portraying even NEWER technologies, and NEWER ships and NEWER races...because that stuff isn't really what makes Star Trek great!!!

>The fact that there are fans who actually DO care about this kind of nonsense is, to me, very indicative of why they no longer have any true influence or power in the franchise...and why the direction that the new movie went in was so proper and so necessary.

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While I agree that story quality should be priority, keep in mind that many people enjoy series continuity. By watching each series, we understand the history of the Star Trek universe, which is a big benefit for most fans.


Since when is it wrong to hope we see what happens post-DS9?


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Vger23

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Report this Mar. 10 2012, 1:02 pm

I don't think there's anything WRONG with it, I just think it's a far cry from what I find important about Star Trek.


 


The original Star Trek and TNG, which were arguably the two best overall series, had very little "series continuity," and they fared just fine without it. I just don't see it as an integral part of the franchise. While I agree that many fans find it "a big benefit," I believe it's hurt the accessibility of the franchise more than it's helped it.


I'm just not a big fan of the nerdier aspects of needing to know what the interstellar relationships between the Cardassians and the Tholians are in the Post-Nemesis political arena. I care about the characters and the stories that explore the human condition, not about the history of Star Trek and whether or not the Romuan War impacts something that takes place in the early 25th Century. I could care less. It's fanwank...not good entertainment.

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Report this Mar. 10 2012, 9:50 pm

"...I think it's time to Move on into the 25 th Century following TNG, Ds9 and Voyager Timeline. What do you all Think?..."


I'm with you. I was so invested in the TNG-DS9-VOY overlapping time periods and story arcs that when it was announced ENT was going to be a prequal I literally felt cheated and couldn't muster up enough enthusiasm to watch it. I loved what had developed over those three interlocking series, and after having spent so much time following them I wanted to see where the writers could take the story NEXT. But no, the powers that be decided to press the pause button on that storyline. I'm ready for them to hit play again.


As far as I'm concerned, any new TV series should be post-Voyager, but just 'post' enough to allow characters from the previous shows to make guest appearances in which the actors' real ages come across as believable. 


I think a new show should have an ongoing and ever-developing storyline, one thing I loved about DS9, and should certainly be space-based (ship or station or both), no planetary or Starfleet Academy shows for me please, I'm one of those people who tuned in to see cool stuff in space.


Also, a new show absolutely MUST tie in with the events of the previous shows (ENT and JJ-verse excluded). There's any number of possibilities... What's happening in the Gamma Quadrant after the Dominion War? For that matter, what's happening in the Alpha Quadrant after the Dominion War? Voyager seemed to purposely avoid that topic after DS9 ended. Perhaps something in the peace treaty requires a Starfleet presence in the Gamma quadrant on the other side of the wormhole? Perhaps the Borg are making incursions into Dominion space on the other side of the galaxy? Perhaps the Dominion was forced to give up some of its vast territories in the Gamma Quadrant and the Federation has to step in to assist with the organization of a new peace. There have to be a million places to start.


All I know for certain is that after ten years I am DYING for a new Trek series that continues the TNG-DS9-VOY storyline. I am so completely burnt out on crime dramas, medical dramas, and mind-numbing reality shows that I hardly watch primetime network offerings at all anymore. 


Star Trek needs to come back to the small screen, in all of its clever sci-fi and positive human future glory...and SOON. The cost-cutting advancements in CGI can surely make the salaries of a writing staff viable with some of the other crap on TV these days, can't it? There's also a pre-existing and world-wide fan base guaranteed to tune in, as long as the powers that be stop insulting them with prequals and alternative timelines...


Hell, ask Ron Moore to take the helm. Let him work out a show bible and hire a familiar writing staff (maybe he could even get Brad and David to pen an episode once in a while). Bring Hutzel, Drexler, and the Okudas onboard in the art department. Maybe have Rick turn out a new ship if he's willing (I've always loved the lines of Voyager, well done Rick). I mean, the experienced and Trek-knowledgeable people are still out there. For crying out loud, we need to get the ball rolling again.


 

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Report this Mar. 11 2012, 9:07 am

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>"...I think it's time to Move on into the 25 th Century following TNG, Ds9 and Voyager Timeline. What do you all Think?..."

>I'm with you. I was so invested in the TNG-DS9-VOY overlapping time periods and story arcs that when it was announced ENT was going to be a prequal I literally felt cheated and couldn't muster up enough enthusiasm to watch it. I loved what had developed over those three interlocking series, and after having spent so much time following them I wanted to see where the writers could take the story NEXT. But no, the powers that be decided to press the pause button on that storyline. I'm ready for them to hit play again.

>As far as I'm concerned, any new TV series should be post-Voyager, but just 'post' enough to allow characters from the previous shows to make guest appearances in which the actors' real ages come across as believable. 

>I think a new show should have an ongoing and ever-developing storyline, one thing I loved about DS9, and should certainly be space-based (ship or station or both), no planetary or Starfleet Academy shows for me please, I'm one of those people who tuned in to see cool stuff in space.

>Also, a new show absolutely MUST tie in with the events of the previous shows (ENT and JJ-verse excluded). There's any number of possibilities... What's happening in the Gamma Quadrant after the Dominion War? For that matter, what's happening in the Alpha Quadrant after the Dominion War? Voyager seemed to purposely avoid that topic after DS9 ended. Perhaps something in the peace treaty requires a Starfleet presence in the Gamma quadrant on the other side of the wormhole? Perhaps the Borg are making incursions into Dominion space on the other side of the galaxy? Perhaps the Dominion was forced to give up some of its vast territories in the Gamma Quadrant and the Federation has to step in to assist with the organization of a new peace. There have to be a million places to start.

>All I know for certain is that after ten years I am DYING for a new Trek series that continues the TNG-DS9-VOY storyline. I am so completely burnt out on crime dramas, medical dramas, and mind-numbing reality shows that I hardly watch primetime network offerings at all anymore. 

>Star Trek needs to come back to the small screen, in all of its clever sci-fi and positive human future glory...and SOON. The cost-cutting advancements in CGI can surely make the salaries of a writing staff viable with some of the other crap on TV these days, can't it? There's also a pre-existing and world-wide fan base guaranteed to tune in, as long as the powers that be stop insulting them with prequals and alternative timelines...

>Hell, ask Ron Moore to take the helm. Let him work out a show bible and hire a familiar writing staff (maybe he could even get Brad and David to pen an episode once in a while). Bring Hutzel, Drexler, and the Okudas onboard in the art department. Maybe have Rick turn out a new ship if he's willing (I've always loved the lines of Voyager, well done Rick). I mean, the experienced and Trek-knowledgeable people are still out there. For crying out loud, we need to get the ball rolling again.

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Aren't 21 seasons enough for you and the four from ENT?

Some people are greedy


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Report this Mar. 11 2012, 9:09 am





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>"...I think it's time to Move on into the 25 th Century following TNG, Ds9 and Voyager Timeline. What do you all Think?..."

 


> I'm with you. I was so invested in the TNG-DS9-VOY overlapping time periods and story arcs that when it was announced ENT was going to be a prequal I literally felt cheated and couldn't muster up enough enthusiasm to watch it. I loved what had developed over those three interlocking series, and after having spent so much time following them I wanted to see where the writers could take the story NEXT. But no, the powers that be decided to press the pause button on that storyline. I'm ready for them to hit play again.

 


> As far as I'm concerned, any new TV series should be post-Voyager, but just 'post' enough to allow characters from the previous shows to make guest appearances in which the actors' real ages come across as believable.

 


> I think a new show should have an ongoing and ever-developing storyline, one thing I loved about DS9, and should certainly be space-based (ship or station or both), no planetary or Starfleet Academy shows for me please, I'm one of those people who tuned in to see cool stuff in space.

 


> Also, a new show absolutely MUST tie in with the events of the previous shows (ENT and JJ-verse excluded). There's any number of possibilities... What's happening in the Gamma Quadrant after the Dominion War? For that matter, what's happening in the Alpha Quadrant after the Dominion War? Voyager seemed to purposely avoid that topic after DS9 ended. Perhaps something in the peace treaty requires a Starfleet presence in the Gamma quadrant on the other side of the wormhole? Perhaps the Borg are making incursions into Dominion space on the other side of the galaxy? Perhaps the Dominion was forced to give up some of its vast territories in the Gamma Quadrant and the Federation has to step in to assist with the organization of a new peace. There have to be a million places to start.

 


> All I know for certain is that after ten years I am DYING for a new Trek series that continues the TNG-DS9-VOY storyline. I am so completely burnt out on crime dramas, medical dramas, and mind-numbing reality shows that I hardly watch primetime network offerings at all anymore.

 


> Star Trek needs to come back to the small screen, in all of its clever sci-fi and positive human future glory...and SOON. The cost-cutting advancements in CGI can surely make the salaries of a writing staff viable with some of the other crap on TV these days, can't it? There's also a pre-existing and world-wide fan base guaranteed to tune in, as long as the powers that be stop insulting them with prequals and alternative timelines...

 


> Hell, ask Ron Moore to take the helm. Let him work out a show bible and hire a familiar writing staff (maybe he could even get Brad and David to pen an episode once in a while). Bring Hutzel, Drexler, and the Okudas onboard in the art department. Maybe have Rick turn out a new ship if he's willing (I've always loved the lines of Voyager, well done Rick). I mean, the experienced and Trek-knowledgeable people are still out there. For crying out loud, we need to get the ball rolling again.

 






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>"...I think it's time to Move on into the 25 th Century following TNG, Ds9 and Voyager Timeline. What do you all Think?..."

 


> I'm with you. I was so invested in the TNG-DS9-VOY overlapping time periods and story arcs that when it was announced ENT was going to be a prequal I literally felt cheated and couldn't muster up enough enthusiasm to watch it. I loved what had developed over those three interlocking series, and after having spent so much time following them I wanted to see where the writers could take the story NEXT. But no, the powers that be decided to press the pause button on that storyline. I'm ready for them to hit play again.

 


> As far as I'm concerned, any new TV series should be post-Voyager, but just 'post' enough to allow characters from the previous shows to make guest appearances in which the actors' real ages come across as believable.

 


> I think a new show should have an ongoing and ever-developing storyline, one thing I loved about DS9, and should certainly be space-based (ship or station or both), no planetary or Starfleet Academy shows for me please, I'm one of those people who tuned in to see cool stuff in space.

 


> Also, a new show absolutely MUST tie in with the events of the previous shows (ENT and JJ-verse excluded). There's any number of possibilities... What's happening in the Gamma Quadrant after the Dominion War? For that matter, what's happening in the Alpha Quadrant after the Dominion War? Voyager seemed to purposely avoid that topic after DS9 ended. Perhaps something in the peace treaty requires a Starfleet presence in the Gamma quadrant on the other side of the wormhole? Perhaps the Borg are making incursions into Dominion space on the other side of the galaxy? Perhaps the Dominion was forced to give up some of its vast territories in the Gamma Quadrant and the Federation has to step in to assist with the organization of a new peace. There have to be a million places to start.

 


> All I know for certain is that after ten years I am DYING for a new Trek series that continues the TNG-DS9-VOY storyline. I am so completely burnt out on crime dramas, medical dramas, and mind-numbing reality shows that I hardly watch primetime network offerings at all anymore.

 


> Star Trek needs to come back to the small screen, in all of its clever sci-fi and positive human future glory...and SOON. The cost-cutting advancements in CGI can surely make the salaries of a writing staff viable with some of the other crap on TV these days, can't it? There's also a pre-existing and world-wide fan base guaranteed to tune in, as long as the powers that be stop insulting them with prequals and alternative timelines...

 


> Hell, ask Ron Moore to take the helm. Let him work out a show bible and hire a familiar writing staff (maybe he could even get Brad and David to pen an episode once in a while). Bring Hutzel, Drexler, and the Okudas onboard in the art department. Maybe have Rick turn out a new ship if he's willing (I've always loved the lines of Voyager, well done Rick). I mean, the experienced and Trek-knowledgeable people are still out there. For crying out loud, we need to get the ball rolling again.

 


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Aren't 21 seasons enough for you and the four from ENT?




Some people are greedy









 




So, I agree with ServalanFan on this one.


It's the entitled, whiny "WHERE'S MY NEW STAR TREK" mentality that has honestly nearly killed the franchise in the past.


Stamping out yet another mass-produced fanwanky Star Trek series, complete with "guest appearances from former cast members" with the same tired creative team at the helm is not going to happen, and it would be a disaster if they tried.


 


At the risk of being completely insulting, it's this kind of appetite and attitude toward the franchise that makes it pretty much impossible for a new show to get made. Star Trek has gone on for more than 45 years, primarily as a television franchise. It's tired...and to attempt to just churn out "more of the same" with the same timeline, same tone, same themes, same production team etc. would be absolutely horrific. First, the only people who would care about it would be "The Fans" so there would be no mass-audience appeal to sustain it. And, since "The Fans" are largely splintered and impossible to satisfy- they would not be NEARLY enough to sustain a series like this.


 


If Trek is going to return to TV, it's going to be one of two different ways:


1. A complete re-boot (like Battlestar) of the original characters and concept. Different than the JJ movie, and different than the Roddenberry / Berman legacy. Something completely new for an entirely new generation of potential viewers...but using the same basic characters and relationships that made the original successful.


2. A complete departure from everything, retaining only the fundamental format and elements(The Federation, exploring space, Starfleet, etc). So, a "re-boot" but without using any of the existing characters or conventions.


 


Those are the only two possibilities I see as feasible for an actual network to take a stab at doing another live-action Star Trek show. Those of you hoping for a "Star Trek The NEXT Next Generation" Series set in the TNG/DS9/VOY timeline simply aren't going to get it. You're not going to see Capt. Janeway and Kira Nerys showing up as guests on a 2-part episode that goes into what happened to the political structure of the galaxy after Shinzon murdered the Romulan senate. You guys have all been reading too many of the crappy novels.


That kind of Star Trek died slowly on the vine with the failures of VOY, ENT, Insurrection, and Nemesis. The proof is in the numbers. It got old, stale, and nobody really cared any longer.


As for the "pre-existing audience guaranteed to tune in..." you couldn't be any more wrong. The pre-existing audience faded during Voyager and barely even noticed that Insurrection and Nemesis was in the theaters based on the horrible box office and reviews. That said, you release something new and fresh (in terms of approach and style) like the 2009 movie, and you end up with more box-office than the prior 2 movies combined.


Some of you guys need to separate what you "want" from what is "realistic and necessary."


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Report this Mar. 11 2012, 11:19 am

I agree with your post Vger. I personally think if it does come back to TV it does need to be fresh and it needs to be a while from now. We should all be so lucky that something we enjoy has been on for so long to enjoy it. How many other TV shows have had such sustainability for that long? Doctor Who, Stargate, Law & Order, a handful more.


And you are totally right about those pre-existing audiences, they didn't save Enterprise, Firefly, the Sarah Conner Chronicles, etc.


Are you sure it isn't time for a colorful metaphor?

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Report this Mar. 14 2012, 6:06 pm

The door has been wide open for a time travel series. Daniels and the "Factions" in the Enterprise series, Gary Seven in TOS, not to mention the Time portal "The Guardian of Forever." So much to explore here, yet only grazed by an episode here and there.


Of course, Mr Spock, your reaction was quite logical - in a pig's eye - "Bones" McCoy

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