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How does the Borg Queen keep reappearing?

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Report this Mar. 04 2012, 9:52 am

When the Borg first came on the scene, and when we would hear them speak, it was unified Borg consciousness that we would hear. No leader that we were aware of. Then we see Locutus, for a short time. Then "First Contact" comes around. We are introduced to the Borg Queen and are made aware that she was with those Borg at Wolf 359 by Picard's recollections. Is she speaking for the Borg collective or as individual? How does she keep reappearing? She was destroyed at Wolf 359, in First Contact, and she pops up on a few Voyager episodes. Did the Borg make clone drones of her for each Borg ship? What are her origins? This is farfetched at what I'm pitching, here, but if you were to take in account the theory that Borg had their origins from V'ger. But could the Borg Queen be Ilia from TMP?

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Report this Mar. 04 2012, 11:13 am

Quote: USS Liverpool @ Mar. 04 2012, 9:52 am

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>When the Borg first came on the scene, and when we would hear them speak, it was unified Borg consciousness that we would hear. No leader that we were aware of. Then we see Locutus, for a short time. Then "First Contact" comes around. We are introduced to the Borg Queen and are made aware that she was with those Borg at Wolf 359 by Picard's recollections. Is she speaking for the Borg collective or as individual? How does she keep reappearing? She was destroyed at Wolf 359, in First Contact, and she pops up on a few Voyager episodes. Did the Borg make clone drones of her for each Borg ship? What are her origins? This is farfetched at what I'm pitching, here, but if you were to take in account the theory that Borg had their origins from V'ger. But could the Borg Queen be Ilia from TMP?

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It was memtioned that the Borg have beern around for 1000's of years.............so theres no way they got their start from V'ger.


As to the Queen,,,,,,the way I see it, shes a program in every ship.The parts of her body are just that...parts.


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Report this Mar. 04 2012, 12:47 pm

I was under the impression that the Queen represented the higher functions of the Collective; if the emotionless unified voice represents the Collective's id, she represents the Collective's ego.


As long as the Collective exists, the 'personality' that is the Borg Queen will continue to exist, even when the drones specially prepared to house that personality are destroyed.

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Report this Mar. 04 2012, 4:05 pm

First off, v'ger has nothing to do with the Borg in actual canon. This is an idea that has been explored in trek novels only.

Second, every time the queen is destroyed a new queen is put in her place. (Note: this is both backed and not backed by canon as it is implied in the fact that she keeps popping up after being destroyed.)

Lastly, I don't believe that she was actually on the cube with locutos, at least not in physical form. As the borg are linked through the collective mentally, then she was more then capable of being there when she was not there, if that makes sense .

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Report this Mar. 05 2012, 1:46 am

I think it's a simple as this; She's a good character and a better plot device.


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Report this Mar. 05 2012, 1:56 am

I agree with other with the fact that the Queen is just a program and possibly every ship has "queen body" that is part of each ship for her to download herself into. Or more likely, like the insect they are modeled off of maybe when one queen dies they just make a new one. The Voyager novels "Homecoming" & "The Farther Shore" cover this some. The plot is a bit odd but the explanation for how a queen is made is interesting.


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Report this Mar. 05 2012, 2:59 am

All arguements aside, I think that there is definitly a similarity in the looks of both Ilia and the Borg Queen. Almost eerie....

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Report this Mar. 05 2012, 8:08 am

In a beehive, there are a number of princesses, who are raised to either replace the queen (eventually) or to go out and start new hives.  Wouldn't the Borg operate somewhat like this, with several queens-in-waiting being prepared, in case they were needed?


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Report this Mar. 05 2012, 12:41 pm

It was a way for the Trek creators to give the Borg a "face" to which viewers can relate.  Keep in mind that the Queen first showed up in '96, five years after Roddenberry died.

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Report this Mar. 05 2012, 4:12 pm

Quote: Camorite @ Mar. 04 2012, 4:05 pm

>First off, v'ger has nothing to do with the Borg in actual canon. This is an idea that has been explored in trek novels only. Second, every time the queen is destroyed a new queen is put in her place. (Note: this is both backed and not backed by canon as it is implied in the fact that she keeps popping up after being destroyed.) Lastly, I don't believe that she was actually on the cube with locutos, at least not in physical form. As the borg are linked through the collective mentally, then she was more then capable of being there when she was not there, if that makes sense .


Why couldn't she have been on the cube?  She could have had a body generated on that cube and downloaded her consciousness into it.  She could have downloaded out before the cube was destroyed or had a back-up personality activated when her primary was destroyed.


 


We all back-up important computer files, right?  Don't you think the bog back up their most important file-the queen so they can activate the back-p file if they lose contact with the queen.  It isn't a difficult concept for us in the 21st century, it shouldn't be for them in the 24th!


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Report this Mar. 05 2012, 6:03 pm

I always thought she was on Locutus's cube in holographic form (like how Janeway's image was projected to the unicomplex in "Unimatrix Zero"). Perhaps the same was true in "Dark Frontier" as well.


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Report this Mar. 06 2012, 12:37 pm

I like think that  "she" is an embodiment of the core program of the collective, therefore, she can be on all the Borg ship, stored until called upon by the collective, constitued of parts found on each ship.

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Report this May. 19 2012, 1:34 pm

In an episode of Voyager, the Queen reveals that she too was once an ordinary, biological being like you and I, I forget the species designation but I think she's from the Delta Quadrant if my memory serves. How she was chosen as the Queen however, nobody knows. If it's like anything like winning homecoming queen, she probably won by her looks and popularity among the other drones, ha ha! 


As for how she keeps coming back, her memories are stored in the hive mind, making a new body for her is a simple matter for the Borg. So even if she gets vaporized, she will return, and be less likely to fall for the same trick twice. As for her personality, the Queen IS an individual, though still linked to the hive mind. So in that way she can appear on any Borg vessel at any time, though I'm not sure she can be two places at once.


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Report this May. 19 2012, 2:35 pm

In the Destiny books, the orgin of the Borg is explained in detail and it's very.... interesting. It also explains why the Collective is styllized with a Queen over all the drones. Kinda way out there in left field, and makes the Borg's orgins almost pitable.


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Report this May. 19 2012, 9:06 pm

Pitiable? I never felt sorry for the Borg before! Maybe Seven, and Hugh, and the future drone Voyager rescued, but that is about it.


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