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Canon or not canon?

CloudMinder2

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Report this Mar. 15 2012, 8:31 am

Quote: stovokor2000-A @ Mar. 14 2012, 6:36 pm

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>Regardless of distrubution rights, Gene didnt want TAS to be recognized as part of his singular vision of "TREK" because he wasnt happy with the series.He felt the same way about much of season 3 of TOS.

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So now season 3 isn't canon!?!?


Why did he stop there, and not go the whole hog, just pick one episode to be canon and throw out all the rest...


 


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stovokor2000-A

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Report this Mar. 15 2012, 10:10 am

Quote: CloudMinder2 @ Mar. 15 2012, 8:31 am

Quote: stovokor2000-A @ Mar. 14 2012, 6:36 pm

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>Regardless of distrubution rights, Gene didnt want TAS to be recognized as part of his singular vision of "TREK" because he wasnt happy with the series.He felt the same way about much of season 3 of TOS.

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So now season 3 isn't canon!?!?

Why did he stop there, and not go the whole hog, just pick one episode to be canon and throw out all the rest...


I didnt say tos season 3 wasnt canon, just that Gene felt that it shouldnt be.But the powers that be didnt change canon in that case.


And that was kind of what he wanted/planned to do with TNG.


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stovokor2000-A

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Report this Mar. 16 2012, 8:19 am

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>Wasn't it the other way around, stovokor, once they started The Next Generation didn't Roddenberry allegedly want to make The Original Series non-canon, and that became Rick Berman's mantra, to try to ignore the Original Series as much as possible?

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I believe you misunderstood me.


I'm saying at some point in TNGs creation, he wanted to start over as if there wasnt a "Trek" before.


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SpockType

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Report this Apr. 05 2012, 4:09 pm

Yeah, when the animated series was made, it was regarded as all being canon. Otherwise, wouldn't have been made. Later some episodes get regarded as not being canon. It's like those people couldn't make up their minds, or something.   

spydertrek

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Report this Apr. 06 2012, 8:27 am

The only thing that's canon in TAS is Yesteryear. Gene Roddenberry said it wasn't, but Yesteryear has proof.

stovokor2000-A

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Report this Apr. 06 2012, 4:50 pm

Quote: spydertrek @ Apr. 06 2012, 8:27 am

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>The only thing that's canon in TAS is Yesteryear. Gene Roddenberry said it wasn't, but Yesteryear has proof.

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I'll bite............what proves the entire episode is canon???


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Beershark

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Report this Apr. 06 2012, 11:04 pm

Quote: SpockType @ Apr. 05 2012, 4:09 pm

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>Yeah, when the animated series was made, it was regarded as all being canon. Otherwise, wouldn't have been made. Later some episodes get regarded as not being canon. It's like those people couldn't make up their minds, or something.   

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What was canon or not was not even given any thought at that time. It was Star Trek plane and simple. The ST universe was relativley small at that time. All we had up until then was Star Trek and a few pieces of fan fiction started getting published, and it was understood that those books, while fun and all weren't "official".


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robapel

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Report this Apr. 22 2012, 11:53 pm

Originally it was part of canon. Gene liked the format becasue he had more freedom to show other ships, worlds and aliens without the cost of special effects and scenery.


Later Gene changed his mind and determined it was not. He wasn't really too pleased with the quality of it but that wasn't what made him make up his mind. It really came down to one eipsode in the series. "The Slaver Weapon". The writer who created the script had his own sci fi universe and incorporated it into this episode.

Drakon128

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Report this Apr. 29 2012, 10:50 am

I consider it part of canon; at least my personal canon anyway, even if it's not officially canon.  For me, it's the 4th and 5th year of TOS.  I like the design of the animation and I think the stories are at least as good as the live-action stories.

cochrane2063

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Report this Apr. 29 2012, 8:04 pm

Why does the canonity of a series depend on one person, no matter how integral to that series they are? I think the very fact that there is a whole forum on this site devoted to TAS means that the powers-that-be now consider it canon.


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stovokor2000-A

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Report this Apr. 29 2012, 8:15 pm

Quote: cochrane2063 @ Apr. 29 2012, 8:04 pm

>I think the very fact that there is a whole forum on this site devoted to TAS means that the powers-that-be now consider it canon.

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how do you figure that???


the powers that be dont control what happens on these boards.


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Equicon '74 vet

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Report this May. 05 2012, 6:04 pm

Canon or not canon means nothing. As others have said, take what you want. Same logic applies to this whole "alternate universe/timeline" mishmass we've all been given.


If you really want to pick nits, go back to the introduction of the "new" Klingons (which I believe is considered canon...)

stovokor2000-A

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Report this May. 05 2012, 9:28 pm

Quote: Equicon '74 vet @ May. 05 2012, 6:04 pm

>want to pick nits, go back to the introduction of the "new" Klingons (which I believe is considered canon...)

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no insult, but what are you talking about?


there was no offical introduction to the "new" Klingons, they just showed up in TMP with no explanation as to why they looked different.


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Tribble Wrangler

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Report this May. 27 2012, 11:16 am

This is one OLD fan who considers TAS canon

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Report this May. 28 2012, 7:11 am

I didn't realize it was so late that Roddenberry decanonized it. 


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