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Canon or not canon?

serenityncc880

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Report this Mar. 03 2012, 7:29 pm

I am new to the Star Trek universe. I have just completely TOS and am now moving on to the animated series. I have heard that its all canon, only some ep are canon, none of it is canon...Just curious as to what is the final verdict? Thanks!

bvbpl

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Report this Mar. 03 2012, 8:41 pm

Per memory alpha: "According to Voyages of Imagination, the Animated Series was officially removed from canon at Gene Roddenberry's request in 1988"


If anyone has any idea on why he did that, I'd be delighted to hear it.


I figure that Roddenberry might have removed it because it the production values weren't very good by 1980's standards.  I'm not sure how valid that is.  As much as David Lynch might think otherwise, Dune is still his movie, just as Geogre Clooney probably doesn't want to think about his role in Attack of the Killer Tomatoes, but that doesn't change the fact that he did have a role in it.

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Report this Mar. 04 2012, 2:16 am

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>If anyone has any idea on why he did that, I'd be delighted to hear it.

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Somewhere I read he just wasn't happy with this series as it was done "for money". 

The other thing is wether trekkies consider TAS as canon.. Many do it, I think  


Blast your theories and observations!

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Report this Mar. 04 2012, 8:43 am

In the TNG ep ''Reunification'', Jean-Luc is ahving his last contact with his friend Sarek, suffering from Bendi Syndrome's final stages, and the latter speaks of, in response to Jean-Luc's inquiries about what he thought might have prompted Spock's actions which had drawn Enterprise into the situation, how, as a boy, he would go up to the mountains, i.e., on his own, without explanation, and, of course, as we know from the history between them, a source, once more, of consternation for Sarek. I think the events shown in the great TAS ep ''Yesteryear'' come as close to canon as anything outside filmed live st has ever had; they were, I recall having read somewhere, IOW in play, when this was written. And, if you read some of the comments by Roberto Orci and Bob Kurtzman in their development of ''Star Trek'', the novel ''Best Destiny'' had an influence upon how they chose to craft the alternate universe's Jim Kirk's psychological makeup, and backstory. I'm pleased that, when something not directly applicable, that is deemed so strong in content, and worth, is snuck in, or affects what we see on screen. Whatever the source, a good idea is still a good idea......


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Beershark

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Report this Mar. 04 2012, 11:00 am

After ST09, does it really matter anymore?


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Report this Mar. 04 2012, 5:59 pm

Quote: Beershark @ Mar. 04 2012, 11:00 am

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ST09 is a new timeline that branched off from the original one and runs parallel to it. Nothing was undone.


On the canon issue: only the live-action shows and the movies are considered official canon, though many people include TAS. It's sort of a matter of personal preference.


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Report this Mar. 04 2012, 6:48 pm

Quote: bvbpl @ Mar. 03 2012, 8:41 pm

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>Per memory alpha: "According to Voyages of Imagination, the Animated Series was officially removed from canon at Gene Roddenberry's request in 1988"

>If anyone has any idea on why he did that, I'd be delighted to hear it.

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He just wasnt happy with the series.


And Genes wants/requests shouldnt be the final word on whats canon.


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Beershark

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Report this Mar. 05 2012, 1:55 am

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Why would you say that?


 


I say that  because it is the truth. With the new/altered/ paralell timeline/universe/reality, (basicly what ever you want to call it), what has happened previously will now have little effect on what happens going forward. With out that continuity then what is and isn't canon is irrelevant.


The old timeline may still exist but it is no longer relevant, so, therefore, neither is the canon and continuity established there in.


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cyow

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Report this Mar. 05 2012, 2:39 am

Does it real matter if it canon or not canon.


 


It's the best Tv/movies ever made so in the end it real does not matter as long as you enjoy it you serenityncc880 enjoy it !


 


 


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guillermo.mejía

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Report this Mar. 05 2012, 8:19 am

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Why would you say that?

 

I say that  because it is the truth. With the new/altered/ paralell timeline/universe/reality, (basicly what ever you want to call it), what has happened previously will now have little effect on what happens going forward. With out that continuity then what is and isn't canon is irrelevant.

The old timeline may still exist but it is no longer relevant, so, therefore, neither is the canon and continuity established there in.

It's still totally relevant. It's what the 40+ years of Trek are made off. It's what feeds the new timeline.


So right now there's an Alternate Reality/Universe going on. It's not in anyway better or more important that the Prime Timeline. Other way around.


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Report this Mar. 05 2012, 1:24 pm

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Why would you say that?

 

I say that  because it is the truth. With the new/altered/ paralell timeline/universe/reality, (basicly what ever you want to call it), what has happened previously will now have little effect on what happens going forward. With out that continuity then what is and isn't canon is irrelevant.

The old timeline may still exist but it is no longer relevant, so, therefore, neither is the canon and continuity established there in.

It's still totally relevant. It's what the 40+ years of Trek are made off. It's what feeds the new timeline.

So right now there's an Alternate Reality/Universe going on. It's not in anyway better or more important that the Prime Timeline. Other way around.


And do you really believe wwe will ever see that "Prime Timeline" again?


I seriously doubt it. So, just as in the mirror universe, what has happened has no relevanve on the new time line. Unless, of course, it is JJ's plan to continue leapfrogging back and forth from one time line to the next.


No, I'm sorry my friend, but it's a whole new ball game now.


 


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Report this Mar. 05 2012, 6:58 pm

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>Yes, I do believe we'll see the original universe again. Depending on how things work between CBS and Paramount over Star Trek, CBS may not be able to use the new universe without owing something to Paramount and JJ Abrams.

>Obviously our opinions differ. We'll see what happens when CBS decides to bring Star Trek back to television.

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This is true, and just to clarify, I do believe TAS qualifies as canon. I just doubt the importance of canon and continuity after ST09.


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Report this Mar. 05 2012, 8:20 pm

I would hate to see the next series (if & when) focus on the Abrams timeline.  Although I think the next series should have more emphasis on other Federation races with 2 or 3 main characters representative of the Federation's diversity rather than having yet another Vulcan and/or token member of a nonUFP race, I would like there to be Vulcans in the crew in recurring guest roles like Vorik without them being on the endangered species list.


As for TAS, I don't see why the guy who gave us Star Trek shouldn't have some say on whether something is canon.

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Report this Mar. 06 2012, 6:22 am

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>After ST09, does it really matter anymore?

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Why would you say that?

 

I say that  because it is the truth. With the new/altered/ paralell timeline/universe/reality, (basicly what ever you want to call it), what has happened previously will now have little effect on what happens going forward. With out that continuity then what is and isn't canon is irrelevant.

The old timeline may still exist but it is no longer relevant, so, therefore, neither is the canon and continuity established there in.

It's still totally relevant. It's what the 40+ years of Trek are made off. It's what feeds the new timeline.

So right now there's an Alternate Reality/Universe going on. It's not in anyway better or more important that the Prime Timeline. Other way around.

And do you really believe wwe will ever see that "Prime Timeline" again?

I seriously doubt it. So, just as in the mirror universe, what has happened has no relevanve on the new time line. Unless, of course, it is JJ's plan to continue leapfrogging back and forth from one time line to the next.

No, I'm sorry my friend, but it's a whole new ball game now.

 

I do agree the outlook appears grim, but I'd rather err on the side of positivsm while I still can.


What I do believe is that news on a new TV show will appear within the next 10 years, ad I'd rather have it based on the Prime Timeline.


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Report this Mar. 10 2012, 9:13 am

Last I knew only SOME of the info from the 'Yesteryear' episode is considered 'canon.'


Ilike to think that TAS are the adventures between 'Where No Man Has Gone Before' and 'The Man Trap.' Or 'The Corbomite Manuever,' since TCM was filmed first? but TMT was AIRED first.

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