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padracin

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Report this Feb. 28 2012, 6:27 pm

I've been surprised to see some disparaging remarks on other boards about Tuvok.  Some of those posters didn't seem to be fans of Vulcans in general.   How do we think Tuvok stacked up against the other Vulcan characters in the Star Trek universe?

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Report this Feb. 28 2012, 8:25 pm

I don't know.  Passable, if annoying.  Certainly not as watchable as Spock, but he's also not played by Kristia Alley so that's something in his favor.


 

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Report this Feb. 28 2012, 8:31 pm

Tuvok is probably at the bottom. Though he was a great character, he wasn't really expanded on enough to make him a threat to Spock or T'Pol.


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Report this Feb. 29 2012, 2:31 am

Tuvok was pretty cool, if in fact you can use that to describe a Vulcan. I really liked that episode where the people were trading on negative emotions and he showed that one guy more than he bargained for, that was pretty hardcore.


And though it was cheesy I liked when he "danced" for Neelix when he was leaving, it really showed that he was going to miss him and considered him a friend, in his Vulcan way that is.


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Report this Feb. 29 2012, 3:57 pm

Quote: Mitchz95 @ Feb. 28 2012, 8:31 pm

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>Tuvok is probably at the bottom. Though he was a great character, he wasn't really expanded on enough to make him a threat to Spock or T'Pol.

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Wow  -- seems like Tuvok isn't getting much love even on the VOY board!  Personally, I rank him right behind Spock.  I think he had an interesting back story - in Star Fleet, leaves for decades, then back again.  Plus the long friendship with Janeway, the mentoring role with Kes, even the tolerant friendship with Neelix were sort of touching.


Although other posters on other boards have complained about insufficient married characters on Trek, I find that it does limit the writers in expanding a character.  And that limited his character development too, especially with his wife so far away.


I remember hearing that the original concept for the character was for an extremely old Vulcan, but Tim Russ blew people away at his reading.  Don't know if its true but I found Russ' character quite charismatic.

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Report this Mar. 01 2012, 5:44 am

Oh Russ did a great job with Tuvok, no doubt about it. However VOY's my least favorite live action show, so I suppose that clouds my judgement?


 


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Report this Mar. 01 2012, 5:27 pm

Quote: guillermo.mejía @ Mar. 01 2012, 5:44 am

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>Oh Russ did a great job with Tuvok, no doubt about it. However VOY's my least favorite live action show, so I suppose that clouds my judgement?

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amen.............and I believe Russ brought great gravitas to the role,,,,,,,,,,,but from a girl's perspective I saw him at a live appearance and he was definitely hot.........

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Report this Mar. 01 2012, 6:27 pm

In the television aspect of Trek, each of the main Vulcans were all different and brought something different to their Vulcan roles.


Spock was the first, he was the one the rest wanted to be. Naturally he was great at it, no denying that.


T'Pol was great. I loved how hard and stiff she was in the beginning of ENT and then how at the end of it she seemed to get humans. She evolved.


Tuvok was a great character. I loved how loyal he was, even during Pon Farr he had to make a holo image of his wife. He was a great Vulcan and I appreciate all he did for the franchise. 


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Report this Mar. 02 2012, 5:15 am

Quote: Reedworftripparis @ Mar. 01 2012, 6:27 pm

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>In the television aspect of Trek, each of the main Vulcans were all different and brought something different to their Vulcan roles.

>Spock was the first, he was the one the rest wanted to be. Naturally he was great at it, no denying that.

>T'Pol was great. I loved how hard and stiff she was in the beginning of ENT and then how at the end of it she seemed to get humans. She evolved.

>Tuvok was a great character. I loved how loyal he was, even during Pon Farr he had to make a holo image of his wife. He was a great Vulcan and I appreciate all he did for the franchise. 

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Right. No denying that Spock was the first, but Tuvok helped define a lot of the knowledge that is common about Vulcans that was needed to help make T'Pol.


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Report this Mar. 02 2012, 5:13 pm

Quote: guillermo.mejía @ Mar. 02 2012, 5:15 am

Quote: Reedworftripparis @ Mar. 01 2012, 6:27 pm

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>In the television aspect of Trek, each of the main Vulcans were all different and brought something different to their Vulcan roles.

>Spock was the first, he was the one the rest wanted to be. Naturally he was great at it, no denying that.

>T'Pol was great. I loved how hard and stiff she was in the beginning of ENT and then how at the end of it she seemed to get humans. She evolved.

>Tuvok was a great character. I loved how loyal he was, even during Pon Farr he had to make a holo image of his wife. He was a great Vulcan and I appreciate all he did for the franchise. 

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Right. No denying that Spock was the first, but Tuvok helped define a lot of the knowledge that is common about Vulcans that was needed to help make T'Pol.


Good point


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Report this Mar. 02 2012, 7:37 pm

The episode where Tuvok had a mindmeld with a murderous Betazoid and began to be affected..........., and the fact that Janeway was afraid to even get to close to his quarters door to talk to him...............that episode examined aspects of vulcans that weren't probed in any of the other shows

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Report this Mar. 14 2012, 12:42 pm

I think Tuvok was very talented and intelligent, but rather unstable.  To me, he seemed more like a Romulan than a Vulcan.


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Report this Mar. 15 2012, 1:34 pm

second best. he's in between Spock (best) an Tpol (worst)


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Report this Mar. 16 2012, 5:19 pm

Of all Vulcans ever,.... I think Tuvok stands very low on the list.


I can forgive T'Pol for a large part of the ENT series, as she was under the influence of a dangerous substance. But she doesnt rank high either with me.


I found Ensign Vorik a better Vulcan then Tuvok for many parts of Voy.


But in all honoustly,... it is very hard for anyone playing a Vulcan,... to compare to Spock. Especially since they keep bringing Spock back so many times in all the series. It is unfare to the newer Vulcans to compare to him.


I tink though ... the Spock in the last Star Trek movie (2009) did a great job! But he had it a bit easier having to emulate the original Spock, instead inventing a new Vulcan.


Klingons have it easier,.... You just play rude and smack someone's head in ... and you are a Klingon ....

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Report this Mar. 18 2012, 10:54 pm

Tuvok brought something to the concept that no one else ever has...this is by the very virtue of him in Security.


 So often, Vulcans are given a specific bent that almost creates a default personailty that appears universalized (we call these "stereotypes", when applied to humans). Until Tuvok, I don't think very many people would;ve conceived of modern Vulcans-as-principally-military professionals, or construct a solid image as how the miltaristic-minded individual would translate through the lens of Vulcan cultural development.


  Tuvok is the "gung-ho, macho Marine", from the Vulcan point of reference. I loved him for giving us this perspective.


  Next: the Vulcan hairstylist?

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