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What will they do with Klingons in the Reboot Film Series?!?

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Report this Feb. 28 2012, 4:03 pm

     As almost all of us know, Klingons were not originally designed as the monstrous, honor-driven, Samurai-esque race that they have been ever since 78.  Rather they began as humanoid appearing people, some of whom were dark skinned and Mongolian in appearance (such as Kor in my picture) and other were completely European looking, without even facial hair or painted eyebrows, such as Koloth in "The Trouble with Tribbles" (who didn't even have a golden slash...what were they thinking?!?).  Later, Roddenberry and the team behind "The Motion Picture" decided to dramatically alter the appearance of the Klingons and even some of their characteristics.  For years, fans wondered how, in terms of storyline continuity, this change could have occured.  "Trials and Tribble-ations" hinted at it, but "Enterprise" finally put the nail in the coffin and explained that Klingons experimented with genetic enginerring and due to a human strand in the DNA used, the Klingons then became much more humanoid in appearance.  Honestly, I always thought this explanation was awful, because I feel that with how honor driven The Klingons were, they wouldn't have ever shown their human-looking faces, plus it simply doesn't make sense why ALL of the Klingons appearing in TOS were those descending from the Klingons afflicted with the viral mutation from the genetic engineering.  Rather, I like to think that the TOS Klingons were like the Janissaries of the Ottoman Empire who were non-Muslims assimilated into the Ottoman military and who had their own squadrons and all.  I liked to assume that these Klingon "Janissaries" were closer to the Federation during the 2200s and were the ones dealing with Kirk and Co. during the TOS days.  Then, these human squadrons within the Empire were lost due to the planets falling from the Empire (as I do believe Worf said somewhere in TNG that they lost many worlds in the past 100 years, if I'm not mistaken).  Then when the DS9 episodes with the "Big 3" Klingon Commanders appearing in them with the new look kind of put a damper in this alternative theory, and I ammended it (in my mind) to assume that the commanders of the Klingon Janissarie fleets stayed with the Empire and surgically altered themselves to appear as true flesh and blood Klingons.  


      Regardless, I wonder how Abrams will handle this continuity issue.  No matter what "theory" one accepts (or concocts) about why the Klingons changed in a storyline fashion, it is pretty much accepted that the Klingons of the era in which the new films take place would have the TOS-looking Klingons in them, if Abrams sticks to continuity. 


      HOWEVER, Abrams will probably stick with the more familiar "modern" look of the Klingons so younger audiences and/or those not in the know won't freak out and say "WHY DID HE MAKE THEM HUMAN?!?!?".  This is especially interesting as that deleted scene from "Star trek" (09/XI) had two Klingons who had helmets completely covering their faces!! (Which hints that Abrams wants to avoid this whole continuity vs. familiarity issue, but which also shows that he may be shedding light on the Klingon's initial "embarassment" with their genetically modified humanoid appearance etc).  


So...what will they do with Klingons in the future reboot series!?!? (If Abrams even puts them in...lol)


 


Btw, I love all kinds of Klingons, but TOS Klingons are retro and really show you're a hardcore old-school Trekkie/Trekker.  (No disrespect to Worf, AT ALL). 


"Star Trek" was, is, and will always be "Star Trek" (as in the original series). "The Next Generation" is a spectacular show that I more or less consider equal to the original, and DS9 is pretty good (albeit far overrated by many). The first 8 movies are fine by me too!

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Report this Feb. 28 2012, 6:37 pm

Yeah, exactly.  But what I'm wondering is, if Abrams ever decides to do a Star Trek reboot film with a more prominent role involving the Klingons, what he and his team will do with their image, because having them wear the helmets the whole time wouldn't work well (not seeing their facial expressions, de-humaninzing the characters, no double meaning intended haha). 


"Star Trek" was, is, and will always be "Star Trek" (as in the original series). "The Next Generation" is a spectacular show that I more or less consider equal to the original, and DS9 is pretty good (albeit far overrated by many). The first 8 movies are fine by me too!

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Report this Feb. 29 2012, 1:08 am

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>What happened in the Enterprise series still applies to the New Universe, and Roberto Orci knows that means the Klingons at this point in time should be human-looking.


They never said that the entire Klingon population was effected by the "human" virus.


So its possible we might see both kinds of klikngons.


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Report this Feb. 29 2012, 2:03 pm

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>What happened in the Enterprise series still applies to the New Universe, and Roberto Orci knows that means the Klingons at this point in time should be human-looking.

They never said that the entire Klingon population was effected by the "human" virus.

So its possible we might see both kinds of klikngons.

Very true, and even very possible. It would make both side happy.

I wouldnt mind seeing some new klingons, maybe some mutilated from cosmetic attempt to fix things.


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Report this Mar. 01 2012, 8:19 am

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>What happened in the Enterprise series still applies to the New Universe, and Roberto Orci knows that means the Klingons at this point in time should be human-looking.

They never said that the entire Klingon population was effected by the "human" virus.

So its possible we might see both kinds of klikngons.

That's my way of thinking as well.


It's not such a complicated issue that general audiences won't be able to follow what's going on. "Some klingons look different due to genetic modifications in the past" that's it. I think in 2013, general audiences are sophisticated enough to follow that little plot point. Plus it is common knowledge that Klingons looked different in the 60's. I'll be very dissapointed if JJ and crew fail to deliver both Klingons, as logic dictates that both existed in this time period, though kikr only tangled with the Virus infected ones.


And who's too say that these Klingons haven't developed some kind of honor about being smooth-ridged? It's been a 100 years, so one would think if the Klingon race wanted to eliminate them all, they had the time to do so. It ould be truelly historic to have both Klingon races openly interact on screen in this tie period, and I hope JJ has the guts to go through with it.


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Report this Mar. 01 2012, 10:16 am

For continuity's sake, I'd prefer to see mostly smooth-heads. However, it's true that there were probably some that weren't affected so I'm fine with a couple ridged.


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Report this Mar. 02 2012, 7:48 am


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Report this Mar. 02 2012, 9:44 am

If you wached the special features on the 2009 film, it show's you Klingons in the prison camp, and when they interrogate Nero. they already brought them back.


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Report this Mar. 02 2012, 12:41 pm

Doing a spin-oof of the subject's question.....WOULD THE KLINGONGS WEAR TNG ERA UNIFROMS OR TOS ERA UNIFORMS?


The TOS uniforms got rebooted, so why not the gold vest/brown pants combo?


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Report this Mar. 02 2012, 1:31 pm

ENT's explanation for the difference between smooth and crunchy Klingons was IMO an ingenious way of approaching one of Trek's great mysteries, and it simply must be broached in the JJ-verse at some point.


How about the rebooted Enterprise having to deal with a Klingon civil war based around this very issue? Kirk could become a hero to the Empire, rather than a pariah, which would send the alt. timeline in yet another interesting direction.


With the Vulcans all but wiped out, another species would surely have to take their place if the Federation is to become as powerful as TNG et al held it to be.

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Report this Mar. 02 2012, 8:15 pm

they had on TNG uniforms

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Report this Mar. 04 2012, 8:40 pm

Basically, though, the new movie will all be about money and won't TRULY be dedicated to Star Trek hardcore fans.  Thus, the Klingons will basically just be the cartoon characters from TNG, and not the brilliant allegorical ones as presented in TOS.  


IF, however, Abrams has them looking TOS like, or atleast has SOME TOS-looking Klingons in the mix of a future film, THEN I will hold the utmost respect for the rebooted film series, and acknowledge that they are an interesting, alternative insight to Trek, because THAT is my "litmus" test for them.  


After all, they're giving us an "alternate" 2010s film version of TOS, really.

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Report this Mar. 05 2012, 7:32 am

Logic dictates that TOS era unifroms should appear in some way, shape or form. The gold vest could be redesigned to be some kind of sleeveless armor. I'm not oppossed to the style being editted as long as it is aknowledged.


 


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Report this Mar. 08 2012, 2:25 pm

According to Worf in Trails & Tribbles "we don't discuss it with outsiders". It had something to do with genetic engineering or a virual infection.


 


ENT had to come up with that "excuse" because of the original appearance in TOS. That was the mutagenic virus.


 


Btw post-TMP Klingons are a lot more civilized than before.


 


ST 09 should, especialy regarding to the next movie (I guess) show the Klingons more flatheaded. Regards to the cutscenes of J.J. Abrams reboot, those Klingons appear with ridges (only helmet?).

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Report this Mar. 08 2012, 3:42 pm

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