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Mitchz95

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Report this Mar. 02 2012, 8:32 am

They didn't say it was the Romulan sun that went nova; it could've easily been a different star near the Romulus system.


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Report this Mar. 02 2012, 6:05 pm

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>I had similar thoughts too -- it's one detail of the movie where I tend to shrug and go, "Meh whatever"

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Yes I wish I hadn't started thinking about it too closely.

Its not a deal breaker for me unless they decide red matter does more 'magic'


I am actually glad that they didn't go into too much detail -- remembering how convoluted technobabble can get -- as I get the impression it would probably have obscured the story even more than all the action and loud noises and fancy lighting was already doing.


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Report this Mar. 06 2012, 1:35 am

Now that I think about it...blowing up Romulus and Vulcan for the first film? A bit too much. Really, there are other ways much more subtle to have the viewers pay attetntion.

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Report this Mar. 06 2012, 5:44 am

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>Now that I think about it...blowing up Romulus and Vulcan for the first film? A bit too much. Really, there are other ways much more subtle to have the viewers pay attetntion.

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It's a way to break from the established path the Prime timeline sets out. It serves as a way for JJ, Orci and Kurtzman to have totally new adventures without having to go assume the crew will go the the pleasure planet, fight the Klingons on Organia, save K-7 from Tribbles and so on.


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Report this Mar. 06 2012, 11:01 am

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> . However if it were Romulus' sun that went supernova I just don't see how red matter could save the sun.

>Though I thought that Vulcan was fairly close to Romulus because if the Romulans left Vulcan thousands of years ago on impulse power just how far did they travel?

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The red matter was never intended to save the SUN.It was used to save Romulos.


And I dont think they ever said that the romulans left on impulse power


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Report this Mar. 07 2012, 2:42 am


I also question - Since Nero went back in time (from MY understanding we don't know how long = Spock says he is 129? years from the future to Jim, but says Nero waited 25 years for him - so yes, I'm lost)


Did I miss how it wasn't possible for Nero to warn his world?


He wouldn't have met the wife, the people he knew - of course.


 


And yes, I've watched all the series (except that HORRENDOUS Enterprise - sorry, but they totally screwed up on the first episode)


As for the stardates/dates - I never could figure those out, but I do know about Voyager reaching home (seen it)
What was the last episode of DS9?
I watched that one, too - but I can't account for tv programming 



 


Thanx!

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Report this Mar. 07 2012, 5:47 am

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>I also question - Since Nero went back in time (from MY understanding we don't know how long = Spock says he is 129? years from the future to Jim, but says Nero waited 25 years for him - so yes, I'm lost)

>Did I miss how it wasn't possible for Nero to warn his world?

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It probably was possible. But Nero was screwy in the head and so completely obsessed with his "revenge" on Spock. I doubt that he was thinking straight.


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Report this Mar. 07 2012, 6:11 am

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> >I also question - Since Nero went back in time (from MY understanding we don't know how long = Spock says he is 129? years from the future to Jim, but says Nero waited 25 years for him - so yes, I'm lost)

>Did I miss how it wasn't possible for Nero to warn his world?

>He wouldn't have met the wife, the people he knew - of course.

>And yes, I've watched all the series (except that HORRENDOUS Enterprise - sorry, but they totally screwed up on the first episode)

>As for the stardates/dates - I never could figure those out, but I do know about Voyager reaching home (seen it)
What was the last episode of DS9?
I watched that one, too - but I can't account for tv programming 

>Thanx!

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I think you are confusing the issue a little?


The way the movie is editted, it's set up to establish that Nero and company hid for 25 computing and waiting for Spock to arrive, all the while awoiding history. At not point during the movie are we lead to believe Nero warned his hom planet. Nero's characterization also seems to suggest he is now insane and would rather work alone to protect Romulus (which seems more like an excuse to take his revenge than anything else) by destroying the entire Federation.


Deleted scenes from the movie show that in actuality, after the Kelvin exploded, leaving the Narada crippled, Klingons captured Nero and his crew and held them in captivity for nearly 25 years without ever being able to access the Narada's advanced systems.


I mirror the answers above me: the Stardates were recreated in the '09 movie to be easier to understand. As for the first Enterprise episode, I don't know how you believe the first episode was screwed up.


DS9 ends with the final battle and victory of the Federation over the Dominion at Cardassia Prime.


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Report this Mar. 07 2012, 10:37 am

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> style="text-decoration: underline;">I meant Romulus the planet's sun Romulus not our sun Sol.


I know you didnt mean OUR son.


And again I repeat, the red matter was never intended to save ANY SON.Not the one in the Romulan starsyster or any other son.The Red matter was meant to absorbe the son going Nova,Which means it would hasve eaten that son.There was never a plan to save the son, just the planets.


In 'Balance of Terror' thousands of years after leaving Vulcan I thought the Romulans only had impulse power.


you thought wrong.


Just joking with you, but for the record, it was never made clear when the Romulans got warp tech.


If they knew how to travel faster than light then why didn't they in 'Balance of Terror' or did they.

yes they did,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,or it would have taken them years just to get to an other star system.Althou the writing didnt make it very clear..........It seems they couldnt travel at warp speeds while under cloak.

BTW I don't really buy it that Romulans and Vulcans had interstella flight thousand of years ago but are not much more advanced than the Earth in the 23rd century. Romulus is in fact technologically behind Earth. Still you have to let some things go.


think about it, maybe Earths warp tech advanced faster because of all the stuff humans saw while working with Vulcans.



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Report this Mar. 07 2012, 10:47 am

Quote: LavenderRan @ Mar. 07 2012, 2:42 am

>I also question - Since Nero went back in time (from MY understanding we don't know how long = Spock says he is 129? years from the future to Jim, but says Nero waited 25 years for him - so yes, I'm lost)


Nero traveled back from the year 2387 to the year 2233.So Nero traveled 157 years into the past.


Spock Prime arrived 25 years after Nero in the year 2258, Spock only traveled 129 years into the past


Did I miss how it wasn't possible for Nero to warn his world?


He wouldn't have met the wife, the people he knew - of course.


No you didnt miss it, but he was bent on revenge and living on a klingon prision world those years.And some of the people he knew may be alive.......but young.


And yes, I've watched all the series (except that HORRENDOUS Enterprise - sorry, but they totally screwed up on the first episode)


what do you feel they screwed up?


As for the stardates/dates - I never could figure those out,


the stardate system has been changed several times trew out the different trek series.


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Report this Mar. 07 2012, 10:51 am

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>The stardate system in the new universe seems to differ from that of the original.


even in the original timeline the stardate system wasnt always consistent or match up.


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Report this Mar. 07 2012, 9:02 pm

Guys, I'm new to this type of site and omg, I can't even find the post I thought I just made...


So, making it again - any help would be appreciated and of course I will delete doubles.


 



Enterprise - as soon as I saw the Klingon, it was 'off' to me.


Alien looking Klingons for Enterprise


Then Human looking Klingons for STOS


The Alien looking Klingons again for STNG


 


I, of course saw the crossover episode from NG to OS - where Worf said they don't discuss it with outsiders, but...that gave the implication that they mutated from human looking to alien looking - which leaves out, how they looked alien in Enterprise


Being that Enterprise was supposed to be before the OS


 


Enterprise - the characters just didn't do it for me.


 


I can't see me watching Enterprise, I did try a few other episodes - mostly remembering the one where Tripp got pregnant.


Meh - I already had 'dealt' with Neelix, so that was the same as their doctor.


NOBODY could come close to 7 of 9 and I'm a straight woman


 


 


That being said, it took me a minute to warm up to Voyager - heck even NG, because that first season NG was VERY stiff/over exaggerated acting.


And that trial of humanity - well, they almost lost me


I saw something in Picard


 


As for the Movie Star Trek


 


The first time I saw the movie - I wasn't able to buy Chris Pine as Kirk


Seeing it again (even with commercials this time), I got it - especially during fight scenes - PERFECT Kirk!


 


 


guillermo.mejía - At not point during the movie are we lead to believe Nero warned his hom planet.


 


 


I never said he did, in fact the fact he didn't was part of my query...


And yes, after pondering it overnight, he did seem quite insane about revenge.


Going to Romulus with futuristic items would have made sense - but, Romulans didn't evolve as Vulcans did.


Ok


And I got how the timeline was changed - took me a bit.


Returning, attacking - Kirk's father dying, Spock's mother, etc..


 


And thank you about the end of DS9 - Dunno how I missed the show


Thanx!


 


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Report this Mar. 07 2012, 9:03 pm

Thank you about the star dates.


I came to the conclusion a long time ago - I'd never be able to figure those out


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Report this Mar. 08 2012, 7:55 am

^ Correct.


As for the characters, like most shows, they need a few episodes to gel and find the right rythym. Archer, T'Pol and Trip soon evolve into complex and interesting characters, not to mention the interactions between the crew vastly improve, for example Phlox and Archer, or Trip and Reed.

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Report this Mar. 08 2012, 8:53 am

Quote: LavenderRan @ Mar. 07 2012, 9:02 pm

>Enterprise - as soon as I saw the Klingon, it was 'off' to me.

>Alien looking Klingons for Enterprise

>Then Human looking Klingons for STOS

>The Alien looking Klingons again for STNG

>I, of course saw the crossover episode from NG to OS - where Worf said they don't discuss it with outsiders, but...that gave the implication that they mutated from human looking to alien looking - which leaves out, how they looked alien in Enterprise

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That implication was never given in that episode.Prehaps you mistakenly got that impression, but we have seen a few klingon from ancient times [in hologram programs] that had the bumpy heads.


 


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