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Report this Feb. 23 2012, 5:56 am

I've made some of these points in other posts, but wanted to get a clearer view of where people on this site stood.


For me, this 'alternative reality' stuff is just ridiculous - any true Trekkie should simply ignore it.


I'm getting increasingly frustrated at the way too many Trekkies are being far too generous to it, trying to bend their minds around the film's premise to accomodate what is clearly just a lazy opportunistic here-today-gone-tomorrow blockbuster which can't be bothered to stick to the back story in the name of mindless 'action'..


I admit I'm something of a Trek purist and can't be bothered with most of the ST stuff beyond that featuring the TOS cast - however i don't necessarily argue against the validity of the other shows and movies provided they don't contradict what's gone on before. It's more to do with the nature and/or quality of the shows/movies that puts me off.


I tried to watch the JJ film recently but just couldn't stick with it - it was all just too annoying (grudgingly, and to be fair-handed, i'd admit that the McCoy part seemed well cast).  But overall the JJ movie is just heretical nonsense as far as i'm concerned.


But that's just my view...


What's yours?


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Report this Feb. 23 2012, 6:12 am

Doesn't your signature say "There are always alternatives" or in this case "There are always alternate universes"?


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Report this Feb. 23 2012, 8:56 am

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>Doesn't your signature say "There are always alternatives" or in this case "There are always alternate universes"?

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Nice try, but Spock's talking about alternative choices when one is faced with a decision to make, not universes


In any case, there being alternatives doesn't mean those alternaties are of equal merit, but just that it helps to weigh up EVERY option when making a decision - in this case Abrams should have decided to make a 'canon' film or make another movie about a future universe whcih didn't feature already-established characters...


 


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Report this Feb. 23 2012, 8:58 am

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>I also go with Other.

>The film is a new universe separate from the Real Star Trek we've always known.

>It's as easy to accept as the Mirror Universe. It does not change anything we already know.  It's not a reboot, it's a what if.

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But my point is, why is everyone coming up with this stuff about it being a 'what if' when we know the people who made it just wanted to make a succesful action blockbuster and so hijacked a successful franchise to do it?


Seriously they must laugh their heads off at you all trying to make sense of it in your heads as they count the cash...


 


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Report this Feb. 23 2012, 9:12 am

I found the new movie enjoyable and the prospect of redeveloping existing races or even introducing new ones of significance to the social and political trekmosphere in future games, movies or series is an intriguing one provided it is done in a pallitable way.


I agree. It is true that a causality branch isn't actually a reboot and it does not invalidate trek prime.

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Report this Feb. 23 2012, 11:13 am

Quote: CloudMinder2 @ Feb. 23 2012, 8:56 am

Quote: guillermo.mejía @ Feb. 23 2012, 6:12 am

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>Doesn't your signature say "There are always alternatives" or in this case "There are always alternate universes"?

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Nice try, but Spock's talking about alternative choices when one is faced with a decision to make, not universes

In any case, there being alternatives doesn't mean those alternaties are of equal merit, but just that it helps to weigh up EVERY option when making a decision - in this case Abrams should have decided to make a 'canon' film or make another movie about a future universe whcih didn't feature already-established characters...

 

Touché.


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Report this Feb. 23 2012, 2:34 pm

Not really the best choices here. How about I just really liked the movie.

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Report this Feb. 23 2012, 3:04 pm

Let's have it out?

Let's not.

Order all the threads on the main Movies section by most "replies" and you'll see almost 4 pages of this same topic for the past 3 YEARS. If you weren't here for those "debates" then just go back and read not only the same arguments that have been made over and over, but all the same counter-arguments being made over and over as well.

Anything that can be said has already been said before.

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Report this Feb. 23 2012, 3:54 pm

you are frustrated because trekkies like trek?


 


 



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Report this Feb. 23 2012, 7:13 pm

It was a big, overblown special effects movie, liberally sprinkled with juvenile humor and a plot that was only there to set up the next explosion.


Oh, and it was called "Star Trek" and had characters with the same names as the characters in a 1960's tv show of the same name.


To put it another way, it was pretty much the same as every other big budget movie version of an old beloved tv show:  Two hours of making fun of the orginal show, tossing around terms and catch phrases to allegedly appease fans of the old show, a cameo by one of the original actors, and lots of explosions.


Puts it in the same category as the movie version of "The Dukes of Hazzard".


However, I won't question anybody's fan credentials for liking this piece of crap.  For example, Bjo Trimble liked it, and anyone who'd question HER credentials needs to have their head examined.


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Report this Feb. 23 2012, 8:11 pm

I happened to watch this movie before I got into star trek, I didn't start watching star trek until about a year ago. Therefore, I went into it without the bias that many on this forum have, and I have to say it was a very solid movie. I found the plot engaging and interesting. Now that I know more about the background, having watched TOS quite a bit, I still maintain that it is a good movie. I saw it with a more open mind than a hardcore star trek fan would, and I'm glad because I probably would have a negative opinion about it otherwise. With the knowledge I have now, I appreciate the movie more. I feel the characters are well cast, and the alternative reality doesn't bother me. Of course the special effects are stunning as well.

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Report this Feb. 23 2012, 10:15 pm

I have to say that I really liked the movie. But, I will be the first to say that I'm not a hardcore Trek fan- very passive, when it comes to being a fan and watching it. Also, I'm not one of those 'reboot' haters, either. Alternate realities, i can handle, so long as they're explained in a way that I can understand it. While there were a few plot holes in this version of an alternate reality, I did understand what they were going for. It was just fun and pretty to look at, really. I took it for what it was- just a movie. I'm not all cerebral when it comes to TV shows and movies of any kind. I like intelligence- but the people writing the movies...are just writers. Sure, they do a little bit of research for some things- but, they're still JUST writers. They're not going to be able to cover every single plot hole, like they've been studying quantum physics for the past 30 years. They made it just plausible enough for me to accept it.


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Report this Feb. 24 2012, 4:08 am

I don't like 'reboots' but i was prepared to watch it and the film itself is good, that sums it up for me.

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Report this Feb. 24 2012, 4:21 am

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>I also go with Other.

>The film is a new universe separate from the Real Star Trek we've always known.

>It's as easy to accept as the Mirror Universe. It does not change anything we already know.  It's not a reboot, it's a what if.

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But my point is, why is everyone coming up with this stuff about it being a 'what if' when we know the people who made it just wanted to make a succesful action blockbuster and so hijacked a successful franchise to do it?

Seriously they must laugh their heads off at you all trying to make sense of it in your heads as they count the cash...

I see.

Your opinion is the only one that matters and any other is to be ridiculed.


Ok, some good replies and i'm happy to accept that for many Trek fans the film isn't something that keeps them awake at night - i genuinely set up the poll to find out people's views and have a poll to do it, but maybe i've then got a bit carried away with my arguments


Desdinova777 - yes, accepted, i sound a bit harsh there - apologies, i agree it's up to each Trek fan how they take the film - all i'm trying to say is how much do people really felt those responsible for the movie tried to make it work philosophically alongside the rest of it - did they care, and how much should we as Trek fans do the hard work for them?


Blockman - OK, fair enough i just wasn't on the boards at that time - and yes i do see the film discussed here and there in threads, but just wanted to have a new thread which addressed it,  to be discussed by people active now


CaptainBobApril - you're right that's the type of film it is - and in most cases i've learnt not to be annoyed everytime it happens - occasionally it actually works - the film of 'The Fugitive' for example - i guess it being Trek particularly annoys me...


ACottrill - good points also, though i do think writers are part of an overall team who need to come up with somethign that is respectful of what they are messing with, particularly such a long-standing franchise


wissa - i'm asking whether the JJ movie should be considered 'Trek' in the first place


Anyway cheers for your comments and hopefully no hard feelings!


 


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Report this Feb. 24 2012, 1:57 pm

Quote: CloudMinder2 @ Feb. 23 2012, 8:56 am

> in this case Abrams should have decided to make a 'canon' film


he did


i'm asking whether the JJ movie should be considered 'Trek' in the first place


unfortantly, that is not up to us.


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