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Would you dedicate your political activity to creating a real future like STAR TREK?

caltrek2

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Report this Feb. 20 2012, 12:19 pm

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>Your absolutely right, friend, don't be fooled, the CONSEVATIVE / REPUBLICAN'S are ONLY for the rich, they always were and always have been, Obama is the only President in 30 years to do ANYTHING about health care and college for people who can't afford it..So to answer you I'd say concerning our political system, President Obama is going in the right direction towards a better future..All we have to do is IGNORE those two RATS Romney, Santorum and the conservative media and be good citizens.

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Unfortunately, the Democrats have become a problem too.  Even when dems come to power, they still don't do the will of the people.  They follow the agenda of the Empire and the Republican elite.  I don't include everyday Republicans in that because they have no idea what is happening.  So just being good citizens and voting every couple of years will not save us from certain destruction.

As "good citizens", my friend, we need to take some control over government function ourselves.  Over 20 states (I believe 25) have ballot initiatives.  But these initiative laws and procedures fall short of what is needed.  We need a strong national initiative process that empowers the people for local, state, and national elections.  There is such a process, created by good people expert in the legalities of it, available now.  It is called the National Initiative for Democracy.  Check it out at www.ni4d.us.


Another worthwhile organization to consider is:


http://movetoamend.org/


Even if this coalition of interesting folks don't actually succeed in amending the Constitution to overturn Citizens United, they will at least serve to raise awareness of the present problem: the corruption of our political institutions, including the Democratic party, by the corporate elite.


As Americans, we sometimes suffer from too much pluribus and not enough unum. - Arthur Schelsinger, Jr.

clover_data

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Report this Feb. 20 2012, 1:20 pm

I would try to get back to the founding father ideas.


"It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness, that is life." - Picard

dfgrbac

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Report this Feb. 20 2012, 1:34 pm

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Care to list the basic ideas that are important?


Don Grbac

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Report this Feb. 20 2012, 5:44 pm

^^ I'd start with the Declaration of Independence & the US Constitution - those basic ideas are so foreign to the majority of the US, it'll take us decades to make them part of our DNA again.


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Report this Feb. 20 2012, 11:44 pm

I think the answer is somewhere in the middle.  Capitalism as it "works" allows a small percentage to thrive while the others suffer.  Socialism allows too many to be lazy.  If there was such a thing as merit based economy, we would generally be much better off.  Someone who just wants to get by living with family or other roommates to keep expenses down while working a low stress job for low pay can do so.  Someone willing to put in a lot of hours and/or do difficult dangerous work should get paid more.  Of course, by dangerous, I don't mean risking other people's money only to run the risk of needing a taxpayer funded bailout.  I mean emergency services & military.  How is it that someone who sits at a computer, gambling other people's money away, or actors, singers, atheles, etc are more worthy than people who put their lives on the line day after day?  Oh, your job is to pretend to be someone else along with 5 other people?  Here's $1 million per episode.  Oh, you guys run into burning buildings or get shot at by criminals that are better funded than you?  Here's $40 thousand per year for you.

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Report this Feb. 21 2012, 11:02 am

Oh, and I forgot to mention another area that government discriminates and abandons "equal opportunity"..... it's called "affirmative action" - where people are discriminated against and with the support of law.


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Report this Feb. 22 2012, 1:45 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Feb. 20 2012, 5:44 pm

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Those are not basic ideas - a lot of work by many dedicated people (the Founders) went into those documents.  What basic ideas from the founding documents do you think important?


Don Grbac

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Report this Feb. 22 2012, 2:27 pm

Quote: dfgrbac @ Feb. 22 2012, 1:45 pm

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Those are not basic ideas - a lot of work by many dedicated people (the Founders) went into those documents.  What basic ideas from the founding documents do you think important?

I guess I've read them enough, and other works that they wrote that tell me that those documents are basic ideas.  If I had to condense it down, it could be described as natural rights that the government must protect and abide by.  Now if we get into their other writings, it gets a lot more complicated.


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Report this Feb. 22 2012, 8:15 pm

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>^^ I'd start with the Declaration of Independence & the US Constitution - those basic ideas are so foreign to the majority of the US, it'll take us decades to make them part of our DNA again.

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Those are not basic ideas - a lot of work by many dedicated people (the Founders) went into those documents.  What basic ideas from the founding documents do you think important?

I guess I've read them enough, and other works that they wrote that tell me that those documents are basic ideas.  If I had to condense it down, it could be described as natural rights that the government must protect and abide by.  Now if we get into their other writings, it gets a lot more complicated.

Well that's a fancy way to say "I do t know."
Well.... if that went over your head, I feel sorry for you.


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Report this Feb. 23 2012, 1:06 pm

So apparently, no one here is willing to really get to work creating such a future.  At least, that's what I am getting out of the comments.


That's sad.

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Report this Feb. 23 2012, 1:10 pm

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>So apparently, no one here is willing to really get to work creating such a future.  At least, that's what I am getting out of the comments.

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Some of us are already working at it.  Sadly, others are working against it.


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Report this Feb. 24 2012, 7:49 am

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Feb. 23 2012, 1:10 pm

Quote: dfgrbac @ Feb. 23 2012, 1:06 pm

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>So apparently, no one here is willing to really get to work creating such a future.  At least, that's what I am getting out of the comments.

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Some of us are already working at it.  Sadly, others are working against it.


That is really good to hear!


May I ask, what are your activities on this?


 


Don Grbac

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Report this Feb. 24 2012, 8:29 am

dfgrbac said,


"May I ask, what are your activities on this?"


I second that.


 


I think we should use automation and obloish absolute poverty. (notice i didn't say poverty, for the reason of earning less than 22,400 a year is not in the equtaion) Not a free hand out, because thats whats happening today. Its very easy to stay at home and do nothing, with welfare ETC keeping us greedy. If there is a will to use the system, there's a way!


 


How do we start teaching a different way of doing things, and step into the information age. Mechanization brought us the eight hour work day, what will automation bring us? We just need to a person to lead us in the right direction, with an iron fist. http://project-humanity-earth.org/home/1_question_survey


Hamlet:
What a piece of work is a man, how noble in reason, how
infinite in faculties, in form and moving how express and
admirable, in action how like an angel, in apprehension how like
a god! the beauty of the world, the paragon of animals—and yet,
to me, what is this quintessence of dust? Man delights not me—
nor woman neither, though by your smiling you seem to say so


I asked the same question, but in a differnt way, when i came here. No response from the one eyed baby sitter yet.


Who's job is it to end poverty? Poverty refers to being unable to afford basic human needs, which commonly includes clean and fresh water, nutrition, health care, education, clothing and shelter.

caltrek2

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Report this Feb. 24 2012, 8:35 am

Part of the problem is agreeing on what it is we need to work for, and how we go about achieving the desired ends.


At 90,000 feet it is easy to say and agree that humans are essentially noble creatures and that they should be free and treated with dignity.


On the ground we are constatly fighting and arguing each other about what that means and about how we can achieve such lofty goals.  In doing so, we often negate that which we first sought to achieve.


As Americans, we sometimes suffer from too much pluribus and not enough unum. - Arthur Schelsinger, Jr.

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Report this Feb. 24 2012, 9:56 am

Quote: humanityresurrected @ Feb. 24 2012, 8:29 am

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>"May I ask, what are your activities on this?"

>I second that.

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>I asked the same question, but in a differnt way, when i came here. No response from the one eyed baby sitter yet.

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I like your signature statement:


Who's job is it to end poverty? Poverty refers to being unable to afford basic human needs, which commonly includes clean and fresh water, nutrition, health care, education, clothing and shelter.


Only government can end poverty  - by its economic policies.  And it will never do it unless the people are in control. 


 


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