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stovokor2000-A

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Report this Feb. 23 2012, 12:02 pm

Quote: CaptainBobApril @ Feb. 23 2012, 11:55 am

>In the case of JJTrek, however, it can be argued that it never crossed paths with the mainline Star Trek universe, even before Nero's incursion, because too many of the details that should match up don't even come close, old Spock included.

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Yes, I've heard this argument before, but so far no one has been able to point out any "solid" details that dont really match or havent been shown to be inconsistent before.All the point out are precieved differences on how things or people "looked" and thats not the bases for a solid argument.


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CaptainBobApril

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Report this Feb. 23 2012, 12:15 pm

The tech on the Kelvin doesn't even remotely look like something that we'd see between the end of ENT and "The Cage".


If "Spock Prime" were actually the Spock we've known for the past 40+ years, the first thing he'd do is start preparations for another time warp, in order to repair the damage to the timeline.  This Spock doesn't show the least inclination to even try and fix things.


Shall I go on?


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Report this Feb. 23 2012, 12:20 pm

Quote: stovokor2000-A @ Feb. 23 2012, 11:59 am

Quote: guillermo.mejía @ Feb. 23 2012, 6:24 am

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>So, that would make past Federation tech superior?

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No, because it wasnt Federation tech alone that achived greater speeds.It was alien tech/involvement/modifications that got the job done.

Hmmm, you got me there.


But still, if Gene Rondenberry wrote a production note saying he wanted the warp scale to be different in TNG, I'm listening to the Great Bird of the Galaxy.


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guillermo.mejía

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Report this Feb. 23 2012, 12:25 pm

Quote: CaptainBobApril @ Feb. 23 2012, 12:15 pm

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>The tech on the Kelvin doesn't even remotely look like something that we'd see between the end of ENT and "The Cage".

>If "Spock Prime" were actually the Spock we've known for the past 40+ years, the first thing he'd do is start preparations for another time warp, in order to repair the damage to the timeline.  This Spock doesn't show the least inclination to even try and fix things.

>Shall I go on?

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Well you have to allow for the fact that computer graphics and set design have wastly improved since the 60's. Same goes for taste and culture.


I don't agree wither with the Kelvin's design. It's too big (if it has 800 people in there), it has a window rather than a viewscreen and it's too gritty. Unfortunately (or fortunate) I've had this argument with stovokor before....in lenghty detail, and indeed we've never seen canonically a ship from the 2230's. For all we know that ship was from the 2220's or earlier, where a different mentality to ship design from TOS was used.


The Kelvin certainly looks more of an evolution of the NX bridge design than an devolution of TOS bridge design though.


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Report this Feb. 23 2012, 12:27 pm

Quote: CaptainBobApril @ Feb. 23 2012, 12:15 pm

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>The tech on the Kelvin doesn't even remotely look like something that we'd see between the end of ENT and "The Cage".

>If "Spock Prime" were actually the Spock we've known for the past 40+ years, the first thing he'd do is start preparations for another time warp, in order to repair the damage to the timeline.  This Spock doesn't show the least inclination to even try and fix things.

>Shall I go on?

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I always thought the Kelvin's technology looked like the logical progression from ENT. Presumably the TOS-style didn't kick in till shortly after 2233.


And why would Spock Prime try to "fix" a divergent timeline? It didn't "erase" anything, it just came into being thanks to him and Nero.


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stovokor2000-A

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Report this Feb. 23 2012, 1:05 pm

Quote: CaptainBobApril @ Feb. 23 2012, 12:15 pm

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> style="text-decoration: underline;">The tech on the Kelvin doesn't even remotely look like something that we'd see between the end of ENT and "The Cage".


the same arguments were made about the look of the NX Enterprise vrs the TOS ship.


And again, thats a preception issue.If it "looks" like it fits or doesnt fit to you is my nmo means an indication that everyone that sees it is going to have the same reaction.In other words, it looks out of place to you, it looks fine to me.


Sorry, not a solid detail.


If "Spock Prime" were actually the Spock we've known for the past 40+ years, the first thing he'd do is start preparations for another time warp, in order to repair the damage to the timeline. 


Sorry but I dont think so.


To beging with ,20 years had already past by the time Spock Prime showed up, to much change had already happened.20years of new lives, new histories, it weould be unlike him to just destroy a new universe in  favor of an old one


Besides, leaving things follows the philsophy he put forth in TUC. "have faith that the universe will unfold as it should".


also, if he was aware that the universe had splintered off, there would be no need for him to plan such actions.


Shall I go on?


please do, since none of what you posted proves or helps your case in any way.


 


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stovokor2000-A

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Report this Feb. 23 2012, 1:09 pm

Quote: guillermo.mejía @ Feb. 23 2012, 12:20 pm

>Hmmm, you got me there.

>But still, if Gene Rondenberry wrote a production note saying he wanted the warp scale to be different in TNG, I'm listening to the Great Bird of the Galaxy.

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he made many notes, so did other writers.I go by whats been said in side the universe, not outside.


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Report this Feb. 24 2012, 7:41 pm

Quote: CaptainBobApril @ Feb. 23 2012, 12:15 pm

>Shall I go on?


Still waiting bub


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stovokor2000-A

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Report this Feb. 25 2012, 7:19 am

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>but any effort to "fix" this universe would likely destroy it.

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thats highly doubtful, even Spock Prime spoke against that idea


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Report this Feb. 25 2012, 7:29 am

Quote: CloudMinder2 @ Feb. 22 2012, 3:49 am

>So TAS is only inaccurate IF we accept 'Enterprise' as 'canon'


from what I understand, there are a few other issues that TAS has with some of the other series.


- but TAS came first (in terms of what's been made), so surely that has first dibs at being canon over a programme made decades later?


As I have said before, its not for us to choose or asign dibs.


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