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Do you believe the Liberal Media?

Invader_Wishfire

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Report this Aug. 03 2012, 11:42 am

Frustrated...:


"He is, by the lame stream media. There are other venues for the news."


You mean the Corporate media, which controls everything from MSNBC to FOX, and as a result control the vast majority of the media? That by itself would argue against your claim that "everybody" is blasting Obama.


"All the “gaffs” on his overseas trip?"


Already dealt with that in my response to entropyman. Caltrek also dealt with that in a seperate post. Both rebuttals can be seen on this page. As it is, it would seem that there's nothing made up about that. Unless, like I asked entropyman, you think that there's a conspiracy between American media outlets and the European ones that initially reported those gaffes?


"What?"


The majority of things Obama's been accused of hiding has been during his presidency. As such, those things can not be used as a comparison to Romney's campaign. One would have to use things Obama did during his own campaign. The two biggest were his birth certificate, which had been revealed long before the election, and his school records, which he never actually sealed, as there is no court order sealing them.


"Yup, my bad. They are smarter not being a “real Party”."


How is that "smart?" They're just a bunch of registered Republicans who just refer to themselves as something different. A Republican by any other name...

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Aug. 03 2012, 2:08 pm

Oh.... wait... now the lamestream propoganda machine has unburied a report card from when Romney was in high school..... 

Fleet Admiral Braxton

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Report this Aug. 03 2012, 4:23 pm

The AP Needs To Change It's Name To:US DEPARTMENT OF PROPAGANDA.

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Aug. 03 2012, 5:10 pm

Goebbels would be proud.

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Report this Aug. 03 2012, 11:04 pm

Frustrated, I couldn't have said it better. Good job! Hey Caltrek, are you really citing newspapers from the middle east? C'mon brother, of course they're going to dispute Jerusalem being the capital of Israel. What do the Israelis say is the capital of Israel? Where is their seat of power? Jerusalem...Of course culture effects prosperity, isn't that common sense? If the prevailing culture of any state is to strap on bombs and destroy your neighbors, well that's going to effect their bottom line, isn't it? Doesn't it make it harder to cross borders for work? What about tourism? The Palestinians really could have a goldmine in religious tourism if they weren't busy threatening and killing people all the time.

caltrek2

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Report this Aug. 04 2012, 8:35 am

Even Jewish voices found Romney's remarks ill informed:


http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/301/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=11229


From: Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP)
 
To Governor Mitt Romney,

Your statements in Jerusalem regarding the growth of the Palestinian and Israeli economies were inaccurate and misleading. Israel's Occupation of Palestinian land makes it impossible for the Palestinian economy to succeed, not "cultural differences." Your comments were not a reflection of the values Jews, Americans, and our allies hold dear. We call on you to apologize to the Palestinian people for your willful lack of understanding of the facts on the ground and the racist assumptions behind them.

 


During his trip to Jerusalem, Mitt Romney made some statements that were not only wrong, but, frankly, racist and ignorant. 




Romney declared that "cultural differences" were the reason the Palestinian economy is not doing as well as Israel's, without even acknowledging the Occupation.  On top of that, he managed to get his facts completely wrong, claiming the Israeli GDP is twice that of the Occupied Palestinian Territories, when in fact it is actually about ten times as high.


Please help us send a message to Mitt Romney that this kind of ignorance and racism is unacceptable.  JVP members in Boston will be delivering your signature personally to Romney Headquarters.  Let's get enough signatures that he'll know that his statements were not a reflection of our Jewish or American values.


 


caltrek2

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Report this Aug. 04 2012, 9:05 am

It should be noted that the Jewish Voice for Peace petition was reported on in the Isareli daily newspaper, The Haaretz:


http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/focus-u-s-a/obama-campaign-romney-failed-the-first-rule-of-overseas-trips-do-no-harm-1.455058


That paper also reported upon Romney's remarks and used the "gaffe" word:


"Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney Tuesday wrapped up his six-day trip to Britain, Israel and Poland, which received mixed reviews at best. The British press ridiculed him for questioning London’s Olympics preparedness and appearing to forget British Labour Party leader Ed Miliband’s name; during his visit to Israel, he infuriated Palestinians with remarks they deemed “racist” and “unacceptable,” and in Poland it was left to Romney campaign spokesman Rick Gorka to fill the gaffe quota by advising reporters to 'kiss my ass.' "


 


 

caltrek2

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Report this Aug. 04 2012, 9:10 am

So the Arab press, the Isareli press and the British press all report upon the same  events in roughly the same manner. Yet, if the press in the United States covers these stories, it is branded as exhibiting "liberal" bias and characterized as being a bunch of liars. I guess conservatives here in the United States simply don't want American citizens to know how their leaders are being perceived in other countries or how they are being reported upon in those countries. At least not if it conflicts with their own biases.


As Americans, we sometimes suffer from too much pluribus and not enough unum. - Arthur Schelsinger, Jr.

dirkgently

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Report this Aug. 04 2012, 10:13 am

do i believe the liberal media? what about it? that it exists, what the liberal media says, the phylosophies behind it? or just a frustrated question about general competence/incompetence of a specific editorial comment?


any media is trying to persuade it's readers to follow a specific viewpoint, buy a specific product, subscribe to an ideal etc... they're not going to score points for their detracors or competition, that would be counderproductive and a little like crying stale fish. 


personally i try to remember that anything i read is an interpretation of human observation and therefore not an absolute and make up my own mind.

Invader_Wishfire

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Report this Aug. 04 2012, 1:35 pm

It's quite humorous how the conservatives say no gaffes happened and then make excuses for them.

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Report this Aug. 05 2012, 2:16 am

Okay, now that I have a moment that I'm but busy...

Frustrated, that article you posted about what Obama "has" to answer for? It's beyond me how you can take it seriously, even more so how you expect me to.

Conservatives like to say that Romney doesn't have to reveal tax records because it's not required by law, and yet you post an article saying that Obama MUST disclose a bunch of things which are also not required by law. The one exception is his birth certificate... which Obama had already disclosed.

Invader_Wishfire

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Report this Aug. 07 2012, 12:52 am

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>Okay, now that I have a moment that I'm but busy... Frustrated, that article you posted about what Obama "has" to answer for? It's beyond me how you can take it seriously, even more so how you expect me to. Conservatives like to say that Romney doesn't have to reveal tax records because it's not required by law, and yet you post an article saying that Obama MUST disclose a bunch of things which are also not required by law. The one exception is his birth certificate... which Obama had already disclosed.

Exactly, so what give the right for the Obama administration and all his cronies to DEMAND Romney provide something not required by law then?


I guess that depends on what the Bush lovers thought they had the right to make huge issues about things that their hero Bush himself never revealed...


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Report this Aug. 07 2012, 12:54 am

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>It's quite humorous how the conservatives say no gaffes happened and then make excuses for them.

It is quite "frustrating..." when you have to defend falisies made up. Do you expect the Romney camp to just let it pass?


No, I expect Romanics to make up more lies and continue to ignore actual issues.


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Report this Aug. 07 2012, 11:59 am

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>It's quite humorous how the conservatives say no gaffes happened and then make excuses for them.

It is quite "frustrating..." when you have to defend falisies made up. Do you expect the Romney camp to just let it pass?

No, I expect Romanics to make up more lies and continue to ignore actual issues.

Just what "issues" are "they" ignoring?

Oh... things like the stifling laws and regulations the Marxists have put into place to shut down business... the extremely devistating taxation meant to stop job growth....  you know... the stuff that really matters.


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Report this Aug. 11 2012, 6:52 am

How about the roll that finance capitalists like Mitt Romeny had in crashing our economy, and the subsequent support those forces have given to Romney?:


http://www.thenation.com/article/168623/mitt-romney-and-new-gilded-age


 


Or what about Romney's links to the supporters of death squads in El Salvador?:


 


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/08/mitt-romney-death-squads-bain_n_1710133.html


 


What is Romney going to do about global warming?


 


 


 

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