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caltrek2

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Report this Aug. 01 2012, 4:35 am

It is not just fancy dresses that demonstrate the ostentatious wealth of the Romneys.



http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-31/does-mitt-romney-have-a-problem-being-wealthy-.html
 
"His wife, Ann, he told us, has two Cadillacs, which helps to explain both the need for a car lift at the couple’s oceanfront house and the conclusion, reached by 89 percent of respondents in a YouGov poll, that Romney “cares about the wealthy.”

Columnist Daniel Henninger of the Wall Street Journal, a newspaper that sympathetically chronicles the abuses heaped on the upper class by an ungrateful hoi polloi, warned that photos of the Romneys vacationing on New Hampshire’s Lake Winnipesaukee (with yet another mansion in the background) was a jet ski too far. In a nation where median family income has been losing ground for more than a decade, is it too much to ask Romney at least to pretend that he understands the ways of commoners?


Apparently it is. Members of the Republican establishment, including Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey, former party chairman Haley Barbour and talking heads of the class Bill Kristol and George Will, have urged Romney to fork over multiple years of tax returns, as countless candidates, including Romney’s own father, have done before him.


No Returns

After months of dithering accompanied by vague claims that tax data would be forthcoming, the candidate opted for secrecy, deciding that the political hit from not disclosing his taxes is preferable to showing voters whatever lurks inside.


Even discussing his wealth musses Romney’s chairman-of-the- board demeanor. Such conversation, he told the NBC “Today” show’s Matt Lauer, should be reserved for “quiet rooms.” Trouble is, being a presidential candidate means dispensing with privacy, including revealing how much money you have, where it came from and whether, in the sort of hypothetical that seemed inconceivable until the 2012 campaign, it is residing not in a cookie jar but in the quiet rooms of Switzerland and Bermuda.


What does it say about Romney’s rigid embrace of his fortune that he won’t move his money from nations synonymous with dodgy tax manipulation into a U.S. account? Not even to be president? How much does he want the job?


Romney at least has acquired a bit of horse sense, distancing himself from Rafalca, Ann Romney’s mare that will be dancing for gold at the Olympics in an obscure sport called dressage. Romney now says he won’t be paying attention to the competition, which Romney supporter Charles Krauthammer called “the most upper-class hoity-toity Olympic event ever invented.”


Talking to NBC’s Brian Williams, Romney would only cop to knowing that other “people that are associated with this are looking forward to it.”


Far from being an innocent bystander, dressage-wise, Romney has previously swooned over Austrian Warmbloods in an off-air exchange with Fox News host Sean Hannity. He has attended many competitions and in April helped choose the music for Rafalca’s high-stepping performance at the Dressage World Cup.


It may be too late to put the horse back in the barn, but Romney might at least want to revisit the $77,000 business loss he took for Rafalca’s care and feeding, which is sort of like the tax deduction families get for each child, only much, much better.


Therapeutic Caviar

A presidential candidate who takes a huge tax deduction for such an elitist sport exhibits a cluelessness bordering on contempt. Romney has argued that dressage helps his wife’s multiple sclerosis. That’s all to the good, but dressage is to therapeutic horseback riding as caviar is to Spam.


Romney supporters know to dismiss as envious anyone who highlights the peculiarities of the candidate’s wealth. Most of them undoubtedly understand that his success is not the issue. The source of resentment is that Romney plays by different rules. He says he pays the taxes he legally owes and “not a penny more.”


That’s probably true. The investor class has shoehorned complicated loopholes into the tax code, keeping a flotilla of accountants busy sheltering their wealth from the U.S. Treasury. (Ordinary taxpayers, alas, cannot play along at home.)


In a rare interview this week with ABC News, Romney said he would be “happy to go back and look” to see if he ever had paid taxes at a rate lower than 13.9 percent, which he paid on $21.7 million in income in 2010, the one year of tax returns he has released. That’s “happy” as in “happy to have root canal.” We’re still waiting for Romney’s response, let alone his returns. Let’s find a quiet room to talk about it.

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Aug. 01 2012, 12:29 pm

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>The media should be to uncover and publish the TRUTH.

>Now, CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, etc are all trying to get Obama relected.

>FOX is the only other network that AT LEAST provides access to the "other side".

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When the truth is not on the agenda, it conflicts with their agenda.  The media is supposed to be our watchdog, but now the Lamestream Propoganda Machine is the ProRegressive lapdog.


While Fox may be slightly better than the rest, they still fall heavily short of the goal.


 


That's why I appreciate the internet - everyone can make available the truth.  (Sadly, there are too many, even here, that refuse to tell the truth and just propogate the same lies again and again and again.)  I always encourage people to seek out and find those that speak/write the truth and check their information to confirm it's factual.  Never accept a lie.


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Report this Aug. 01 2012, 2:37 pm

Just watched some highlights of the new documentary, 2016.


So why doesn't the lamestream propoganda machine dig into Obama's background, like Obama's longtime mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, who was a member of the Communist Party?


 


I can just imagine if a politician that the press finds on the "right" who was mentored by a communist (and subsequently turned away from that in favor of liberty,) how they would bring it up again and again and again.


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Report this Aug. 01 2012, 5:23 pm

Quote: /view_profile/ @

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>The media should be to uncover and publish the TRUTH.

>Now, CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, etc are all trying to get Obama relected.

>FOX is the only other network that AT LEAST provides access to the "other side".

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There is no "other side" in American politics. It's either the corporate nominee, or the other corporate nominee, both of whom are paid for by the same corporate sponsors, which suits the corporations just fine since no matter who wins their interests will be served.


The closest thing to an "other side" is the third parties that are struggling for recognition on the political scene at all echelons from local to state to federal. So far, the only one that's doing a decent job at gaining support is the Green Party... but of course you won't be hearing much about that in the corporate media.


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entropyman

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Report this Aug. 01 2012, 9:05 pm

The Green Party? That bunch of communists? Who the hell cares about them? What about the Tea Party? If the Republican Party isn't careful, the Tea Party may end up usurping them on it's way to becoming a pary in actuality. As for Romney not disclosing his tax records, more power to him. Why should he? Cause the left say so? It's not mandatory and last I checked it's still a free country. In other words there's no law against keeping your tax records private. So what if Romney's rich? I don't care. I wish I were rich also. If I were, I'd have a mansion, some horses and several nice cars myself. Since when did being wealthy become a crime? Doesn't everyone want to be better off than they are now? And I suppose it's ok that Obama sealed his school records? Oooo, I wonder what he's hiding? Lies? Bad grades? Marxist writings? We can only speculate. And what about his executive privelidge he invoked to protect Holder and himself. I wonder what he's hiding there? We already know his autobiography is an amalgam of various incidents and fantasies, nothing real, only a phony image created by a confessed drug abuser. If you want to talk about hiding things, Obama is the biggest hider of them all.

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Report this Aug. 01 2012, 10:38 pm

"Green Party; communists." Yeah, you obviously haven't done any actual research into them. But that's irrelevant, since you clearly missed my point about the only political candidates we ever hear about the vast majority of the time are to corporate-sponsored Republicans and Democrats.


As for the Tea Party, you do realize that the Tea Party is not a political party, right? It's a political movement, nothing more. The vast majority of Tea Partiers are registered Republicans. And we already do hear about them.


"As for Romney not disclosing his tax records, more power to him. Why should he? Cause the left say so? It's not mandatory and last I checked it's still a free country." That's funny, because the Right blasted Obama for not wearing a flag pin, even though that isn't mandatory either. But the Right assumed that just because they said so, he had to. Now the shoe is on the other foot, and the Right thinks it can now dismiss things. Or, more accurately, most of the Right; about 30% of Republicans think that Romeny should disclose his tax returns.


 

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Report this Aug. 02 2012, 8:53 am

Quote: entropyman @ Aug. 01 2012, 9:05 pm

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>The Green Party? That bunch of communists? Who the hell cares about them? What about the Tea Party? If the Republican Party isn't careful, the Tea Party may end up usurping them on it's way to becoming a pary in actuality. As for Romney not disclosing his tax records, more power to him. Why should he? Cause the left say so? It's not mandatory and last I checked it's still a free country. In other words there's no law against keeping your tax records private. So what if Romney's rich? I don't care. I wish I were rich also. If I were, I'd have a mansion, some horses and several nice cars myself. Since when did being wealthy become a crime? Doesn't everyone want to be better off than they are now? And I suppose it's ok that Obama sealed his school records? Oooo, I wonder what he's hiding? Lies? Bad grades? Marxist writings? We can only speculate. And what about his executive privelidge he invoked to protect Holder and himself. I wonder what he's hiding there? We already know his autobiography is an amalgam of various incidents and fantasies, nothing real, only a phony image created by a confessed drug abuser. If you want to talk about hiding things, Obama is the biggest hider of them all.

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Correct .... the "Green Party" is just the more extreme Communists that don't think the Democrats go far enough..... (but just don't want the Communist Party label.)


As for the Tea Party... I think their goal is to try to fix the Republican Party, but the establishment Republicans are their biggest enemy.  The Republican Party is just ProRegressive light - they don't stand for the US Constitution anymore and haven't for decades.  I hope the Tea Party can fix the Republican Party, but I'm not counting on it as the establishment politicians like their power.  (And I very much applaud the Tea Party kicking out so many establishment politicians!)


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Report this Aug. 02 2012, 11:38 am

Frustrated...:


"Everybody's blasting Obama for being Obama."


That's funny, because according to the likes of BamBam, Obama's being treated like the Messiah.


"The media has to make crap up about Romney."


Such as...?


"If I'm Romney I'm not revealing anything until Obama does."


Since Romney's not the President, that's a skewed statement at best.


"You can all sleep well at night knowing that abortion pills are now paid for. (don't think that the voters will forget that one in November BTW)"


And what does this have to do with anything?


"You forgot the only other party that is relevent and is actually effecting change. - The Tea Party."


You obviously didn't read my post, which you just quoted, otherwise you would've seen that I dealt directly with them. Go ahead and read it again. Specifically, the second paragraph.

caltrek2

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Report this Aug. 02 2012, 5:48 pm

While we are naming third parties, why not also name the Libertarian. Too pro-corporate for my tastes, but at least they tend to be against an aggressive foreign policy. They are also often more willing to tolerate others with alternative life styles. Finally, they seem genuinely willing to stop unwarranted government subsides to certain private corporations. So at least there is some limit to some of their pro-corporate activities.


Here in California, we also have the Peace and Freedom party. When Ralph Nader decided not to go for the Green Party nomination last time he ran, he ended up as the nominee for the Peace and Freedom  


Last time I looked, it seemed like Rocky Anderson, former mayor of Salt Lake City, seemed to have a good shot at winning the Peace and Freedom party nomination for the 2012 election. Anderson has also succeeded in getting his Justice Party on the ballot in several other states and will be the presidential nominee for that party as well.  I don't think he will be on enough state ballots to even have a theoretical chance at winning, but a strong showing by him where he is on the ballot would make a lot of main stream politicians sit up and take notice.  


The Green Party is also a good choice.


The Republican party is so extreme that it should be a third party with no prospects. Unfortunately, they actually have a shot at capturing the presidency and/or Senate. Bad enough that they control the House. My main reason for supporting Obama is that the Republican party is both extreme and poised to take power. They have to be stopped.


 

entropyman

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Report this Aug. 02 2012, 6:29 pm

Invader Wishfire, if you had read my post thoroughly, you would have noted that I said "if the Republican Party isn't careful, the Tea Party may end up becoming a party in actuality". If the Republican Party doesn't heed the demands of it's conservative constituants, it may in fact cease to be a valid option for them and so then the creation of a new party would be in order. As for Obama not wearing a lapel pin? I don't care whether he does or not. And if 30% of republicans think Romney should disclose his tax returns, then l suppose 70% got it right. Frustrated is right about the media making up stuff about Romney. First he was a bully (no proof), now he's a wimp (not sure what they're talking about there), then he was at Bain after he left Bain, his trip to Europe was 'filled with gaffe after gaffe'- not true, it was a tremendously successful trip...there's nothing good to say about Obama, so they will continue this tach, I've no doubt.


 


 

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Report this Aug. 02 2012, 6:44 pm

Quote: entropyman @ Aug. 02 2012, 6:29 pm

>Invader Wishfire, if you had read my post thoroughly, you would have noted that I said "if the Republican Party isn't careful, the Tea Party may end up becoming a party in actuality". If the Republican Party doesn't heed the demands of it's conservative constituants, it may in fact cease to be a valid option for them and so then the creation of a new party would be in order.
So the question is, do you think that the Republican Party can be saved and brought back to the actually supporting and defending the US Constitution?  I'm not so sure the ProRegressive cancer that has infected them is curable....


caltrek2

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Report this Aug. 02 2012, 6:45 pm

entropyman,


Did Rommey, or did he not, sign documents that he was the CEO of Bain during the time in question?


This is typical - make things up, get caught, then accuse the liberal media of making things up.


 


 

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Report this Aug. 02 2012, 6:51 pm

AS for Romney's gaffs, if you don't believe liberal American news sources, perhaps you will believe this British news story:


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4456840/Wannabe-US-President-Mitt-Romney-in-Olympics-insult-but-David-Cameron-insists-Well-show-you.html


The US election hopeful, on a visit to London, questioned whether the Olympics will be a success.


Mr Romney said in a TV interview: “It’s hard to know just how well it will turn out. There are a few things that were disconcerting.”


The Republican candidate, who organised the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City, also questioned whether the British people will “come together and celebrate” the Olympics.


There was further embarrassment when Mr Romney said he had looked out of “the backside of Number 10” to see the beach volleyball court.


He breached diplomatic protocol by revealing he had been briefed by MI6 chief Sir John Sawers, then appeared to forget Labour leader Ed Miliband’s name, calling him “Mr Leader” instead.


Mr Cameron later slapped down the Massachusetts governor. Visiting the Olympic Park on the eve of the opening ceremony, the PM insisted the Games would be a huge success.


He said: “We’ll show the world we’ve not only come together as a United Kingdom, but are extremely good at welcoming people from across the world.


“You will see Britain can deliver.”


In a clear swipe at Mr Romney, he added: “We are holding an Olympic Games in one of the busiest, most active, bustling cities in the world. Of course it’s easier if you hold an Olympic Games in the middle of nowhere.”


...


London mayor Boris Johnson publicly ridiculed Mr Romney. Addressing the crowd at an Olympic concert in Hyde Park, Mr Johnson said: “There’s a guy called Mitt Romney who wants to know if we’re ready. Are we ready?”


The 60,000-strong audience responded with a deafening cry of “Yes we are!”

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Report this Aug. 02 2012, 7:08 pm

Here is assesemnt from a paper in the Middle East. After noting the embarassemnts in England they go on to write "he went to Israel and pronounced - in contravention of United Nations and international law - that Jerusalem was "the capital of Israel", and put Palestinian poverty down to "cultural differences" and the "hand of providence", rather than an ongoing Israeli occupation. He delighted the Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu with his tough and supportive stance over possible Israeli pre-emptive action against Iranian nuclear targets, and heaped praise on Israel's impressive, government-run universal health care system. Seasoned Democrat campaigners such as Jeff Gold will have spotted this monumental gaffe - given Romney's opposition to the limited Obama healthcare reforms - and make good use of it.


Is this the real Romney or is it an ersatz variety playing to a hardened domestic and Republican base? Not forgetting of course that the Republican Party has never really fallen in love with him and that he has had to try very hard and spend a lot of money to become the party's candidate.


His problem, says Jeff Gold again, is one identified by Norman Ornstein, of the American Enterprise Institute. It is that his party has "become an insurgent outlier - ideologically extreme, contemptuous of the inherited social and economic policy regime; scornful of compromise; unpersuaded by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition".


By the time that the Romney entourage creaked into the safest berth of the trip, Poland, some of the criticism from earlier was clearly beginning to hit home. Romney's Press Secretary Rick Gork lashed out at reporters asking about the gaffes, telling them to "kiss my ass" and to "shove it". He later apologised but Romney's first outing with the foreign media had not been a success. Time and gain the same question emerged: what does Mitt Romney really believe in?


But then perhaps Romney has got a better measure of what many Americans really believe are their priorities and which should be his too. The best joke of the week may well be: "No wonder Romney is finding it difficult to picking a Vice-President - he has no experience of hiring American workers".


However, Obama remains most vulnerable on the domestic economy, although the ferociously wealthy Romney has little experience of the lives led by most blue collar Americans. For, bluntly, Romney has got the foreign stuff out of the way. He has reminded US voters who he thinks their best friends are (Britain and Israel), identified the military threat posed by a long time US enemy (Iran) and begun to stake out some hostile ground with the Chinese, who are set to provide the long, slow burn, threat to US economic well-being


Already in Florida, big motorway billboards financed by Republican supporters show Greek demonstrators burning a building with an unflattering picture of Obama hovering above: "Do you want the US to be like Greece? Vote Obama".


Perhaps, at this stage, the cynics are right. Romney has done the necessary, and while liberals may fret, few outside their ranks in the United States see anything unusual or disturbing in what he has had to do or say. Quite the reverse possibly."


 


http://www.thenational.ae/lifestyle/mitt-romneys-foreign-tour-falls-flat#page2

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Report this Aug. 03 2012, 12:20 am

entropyman:


" if you had read my post thoroughly, you would have noted that I said "if the Republican Party isn't careful, the Tea Party may end up becoming a party in actuality"."


Okay, so I misread what you typed. Sorry.


" If the Republican Party doesn't heed the demands of it's conservative constituants, it may in fact cease to be a valid option for them and so then the creation of a new party would be in order."


Why? Are there no third parties that already exist that are not a viable option?


"As for Obama not wearing a lapel pin? I don't care whether he does or not."


And that's exactly my point; When liberals demand something from conservative candidates, conservatives act as if liberals are being pompous jerks trying to make mountains out of mole hills, but when it's pointed out that conservatives have done the same exact thing to liberal candidates, the response is "I don't care."


"And if 30% of republicans think Romney should disclose his tax returns, then l suppose 70% got it right."


Except it's 30% on top of the 75% of Democrats. And 55% of Independents. And whatever percentage of the third party supporters/voters.


"Frustrated is right about the media making up stuff about Romney. First he was a bully (no proof)"


Except Romney himself said he wouldn't argue with the reports of his bullying.


" now he's a wimp (not sure what they're talking about there),"


"The Wimp Factor; Is He Just Too Insecure to be President?" I'd say that that headline sums up what they're talking about. Also, there's often a correlation between bullying and insecurity, so it's not really a contradiction.


"then he was at Bain after he left Bain"


Even Fox has run articles about that. So suddenly Fox is the liberal media, too?


"his trip to Europe was 'filled with gaffe after gaffe'- not true, it was a tremendously successful trip..."


And yet, American papers are just reprinting what European papers reported. Let me guess, it's a conspiracy between the Democrats and Europe to bring the Republicans down...


Okay, so that's four examples of the media allegedly making things up, and they've all been easily disputed.


"there's nothing good to say about Obama, so they will continue this tach, I've no doubt."


And in the meantime, conservative media outlets will be doing the same thing... finding nothing good to say (without straight-out lying) about Romney and opting instead to throw mud at Obama.

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