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best trek film of them all??

Mitchz95

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Report this Mar. 20 2012, 3:59 pm

Quote: Fleet Admiral Braxton @ Mar. 20 2012, 3:53 pm

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>Everybody Knows It's The Wrath Of Khan. Next Question.

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I believe it's The Undiscovered Country. Hence, your statement is invalid.


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Report this Mar. 20 2012, 3:59 pm

Quote: Beershark @ Mar. 20 2012, 1:25 am

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>Galaxy Quest!

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Somebody's Smoking Some Romulan Ale. That Peice Of Crap Wasn't Even Funny! The Only Good Thing about Galaxy Quest Was That Sigourney Weaver Looked Good In A Blonde Wig And Wonderbra! Spaceballs Was TEN TIMES Funnier And All Of America Knows It!!  

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Report this Mar. 20 2012, 4:01 pm

Quote: Mitchz95 @ Mar. 20 2012, 3:59 pm

Quote: Fleet Admiral Braxton @ Mar. 20 2012, 3:53 pm

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>Everybody Knows It's The Wrath Of Khan. Next Question.

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I believe it's The Undiscovered Country. Hence, your statement is invalid.

INVALID MY ASS!!!

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Report this Mar. 20 2012, 4:54 pm

Star Trek 2009

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Report this Mar. 20 2012, 7:48 pm

The Motion Picture may have been boring, but atleast it wasn't a brain dead heap of special effects and HD visuals sporting a bunch of talentless pretty boys ruining a much beloved franchise.


"Star Trek" was, is, and will always be "Star Trek" (as in the original series). "The Next Generation" is a spectacular show that I more or less consider equal to the original, and DS9 is pretty good (albeit far overrated by many). The first 8 movies are fine by me too!

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Report this Mar. 20 2012, 7:53 pm

The films go, in my opinion...


1.) The Wrath of Kahn


2.) The Undiscovered Country


3.) The Search for Spock


4.) The Voyage Home


5.) First Contact


6.) The Final Frontier


7.) The Motion Picture


8.) Generations


9.) Insurrection


10.) Nemesis


NOT even acknowledging the "Let's completely disrespect a classic TV series" movie by J.J. Abrams from 3 years prior.


"Star Trek" was, is, and will always be "Star Trek" (as in the original series). "The Next Generation" is a spectacular show that I more or less consider equal to the original, and DS9 is pretty good (albeit far overrated by many). The first 8 movies are fine by me too!

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Report this Mar. 21 2012, 12:21 am

Quote: Fleet Admiral Braxton @ Mar. 20 2012, 3:59 pm

Quote: Beershark @ Mar. 20 2012, 1:25 am

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>Galaxy Quest!

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Somebody's Smoking Some Romulan Ale. That Peice Of Crap Wasn't Even Funny! The Only Good Thing about Galaxy Quest Was That Sigourney Weaver Looked Good In A Blonde Wig And Wonderbra! Spaceballs Was TEN TIMES Funnier And All Of America Knows It!!  


Are you out of your Vulcan mind?


The Tool Man totally out Shat The Shat!


This is the ST movie the Great Bird of The Galaxy Himself would have written!


Spaceballs?! Now you're comparing kiwis to cumquats.


GQ is to ST what SB is to SW, only much much better!


May your armpits be infested with the fleas of a thousand tribbles!


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Mitchz95

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Report this Mar. 21 2012, 8:28 am

Uh, Galaxy Quest isn't Star Trek.


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Report this Mar. 22 2012, 12:33 am

Quote: Mitchz95 @ Mar. 21 2012, 8:28 am

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>Uh, Galaxy Quest isn't Star Trek.

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Of course not.....It's Gilligan's Island.


How can any ST fan watch GQ and NOT see the connection is beyond me.


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Report this Mar. 22 2012, 9:12 am

The connection is that it is a parody. Still doesn't make it Star Tek.



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Report this Mar. 22 2012, 9:29 am

Quote: Hugues @ Mar. 22 2012, 9:12 am

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>The connection is that it is a parody. Still doesn't make it Star Tek.

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I's more than just parody, it's GENIOUS!


I'm sorry, but that film is about ST and ST fans. That ,IMHO, qualifies is it to be considered a ST film. Of course, it's not canon.


Besides, I believe it's based off a piece of 1970's fan fiction that but the ST cast in that very position. Stepping on the the trans porter set and suddenly it's all real and they are on the Enterprise!


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Report this Mar. 22 2012, 7:06 pm

Quote: Roddenberry's Disciple @ Mar. 20 2012, 7:53 pm

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>The films go, in my opinion...

>1.) The Wrath of Kahn

>2.) The Undiscovered Country

>3.) The Search for Spock

>4.) The Voyage Home

>5.) First Contact

>6.) The Final Frontier

>7.) The Motion Picture

>8.) Generations

>9.) Insurrection

>10.) Nemesis

>NOT even acknowledging the "Let's completely disrespect a classic TV series" movie by J.J. Abrams from 3 years prior.

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You need to get over it, brother...because there's more where that came from. More people liked that version of Trek than most of the spin-off versions. I'd include mysef in that majority...and I was an original series Trek fan LONG before TNG premiered. But then again, I vaule Trek as a fun adventure series, not as some kind of highly intellectual philosophical undertaking...which (I hate to break it to some of you cats) it is most certainly not.


I think if people would drop the bloated pretense and just enjoy themselves for a moment (none of this "MY BELOVED FRANCHISE" melodrama) you might actually be happy with it.


And stop with the "pretty boy" crap...like Shatner wasn't hired for his looks back in the 60's!! 


 


 


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Report this Mar. 22 2012, 7:11 pm

Quote: Mitchz95 @ Mar. 20 2012, 3:59 pm

Quote: Fleet Admiral Braxton @ Mar. 20 2012, 3:53 pm

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>Everybody Knows It's The Wrath Of Khan. Next Question.

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I believe it's The Undiscovered Country. Hence, your statement is invalid.


 


It actually never ceases to amaze me that people like TUC so much. I think it's a very weak movie, even compared to the more often maligned TMP, TFF, and TSFS.


It was filled with more plot holes and inconsistencies than almost any other Trek. The mid-section was bloated and dull. The story and script seemed rushed (because it was, admittedly). The overly-cheap re-use of TNG sets takes me right out of the story every time I watch it. The Klingons are all out of character. Nick Meyer, who I am always gateful for in terms of reviving the franchise, was WAY over-indulgant in his nods to Shakespear (I mean...WAY overkill...enough already...frigging shoot me). And, it was a movie that didn't come across in a dramatic fashion...at least not to me.


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Mitchz95

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Report this Mar. 22 2012, 7:26 pm

Quote: Vger23 @ Mar. 22 2012, 7:11 pm

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>It actually never ceases to amaze me that people like TUC so much. I think it's a very weak movie, even compared to the more often maligned TMP, TFF, and TSFS.

>It was filled with more plot holes and inconsistencies than almost any other Trek. The mid-section was bloated and dull. The story and script seemed rushed (because it was, admittedly). The overly-cheap re-use of TNG sets takes me right out of the story every time I watch it. The Klingons are all out of character. Nick Meyer, who I am always gateful for in terms of reviving the franchise, was WAY over-indulgant in his nods to Shakespear (I mean...WAY overkill...enough already...frigging shoot me). And, it was a movie that didn't come across in a dramatic fashion...at least not to me.

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I thought it was very dramatic - the music was awesome, the theme was good (overcoming prejudice, accepting change), and the story was gripping. How are the Klingons out of character? Chang and his people think it's dishonorable to make peace with the Feds, whereas Gorkon and his people accept that "destroying an Empire to win a war is no victory". The Shakespear references were a bit over the top, though. And all the movies have plot holes.


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Report this Mar. 22 2012, 7:57 pm

Quote: Mitchz95 @ Mar. 22 2012, 7:26 pm

Quote: Vger23 @ Mar. 22 2012, 7:11 pm

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>It actually never ceases to amaze me that people like TUC so much. I think it's a very weak movie, even compared to the more often maligned TMP, TFF, and TSFS.

>It was filled with more plot holes and inconsistencies than almost any other Trek. The mid-section was bloated and dull. The story and script seemed rushed (because it was, admittedly). The overly-cheap re-use of TNG sets takes me right out of the story every time I watch it. The Klingons are all out of character. Nick Meyer, who I am always gateful for in terms of reviving the franchise, was WAY over-indulgant in his nods to Shakespear (I mean...WAY overkill...enough already...frigging shoot me). And, it was a movie that didn't come across in a dramatic fashion...at least not to me.

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I thought it was very dramatic - the music was awesome, the theme was good (overcoming prejudice, accepting change), and the story was gripping. How are the Klingons out of character? Chang and his people think it's dishonorable to make peace with the Feds, whereas Gorkon and his people accept that "destroying an Empire to win a war is no victory". The Shakespear references were a bit over the top, though. And all the movies have plot holes.


1. It was a movie that just didn't seem to take itself seriously enough. In a movie that is supposed to be depicting one of the most critical and tense moments in galactic history (their version of the Cuban Missile Crisis pretty much) it was way too tounge-in-cheek and wink-wink for my taste.


2. Although clearly original and unique, this is my 2nd-to-last out of all the soundtracks (only TVH was worse).


3.  The theme was good...but not enough to carry the film.


4. I found that the rushed script and low-budget approach to production caused the film to NOT be as gripping as it could have been.


5. I'm not sure the word "honor" is uttered once in this film by a Klingon, actually. The Klingons in this film do not resemble anything we'd come to know from TOS, the prior films and the 4+ seasons of TNG we had seen up to that point. They are all regal, poised and noble. Chang is nothing but a Shakespearean Actor with an eyepatch. I mean, literally, the guy has NO gravitas or charaisma other than to twirl his moustache and to quote the Bard.


6. There are plotholes in every Trek film yes. But not every film with such glaring plotholes is typically so widely viewed as a classic. I mean, let's get serious (haha, you asked for it)...I'll only list the MAJOR issues that make the plot almost completely explode into smoky rubble:


-How in the WORLD does it make sense to send a ship CAPTAIN...no flag officers, no dignitaries, NO AMBASSADORS...to meet the leadership of your most lethal enemy on the eve of universal peace??? Even Kirk thought it was ridiculous. It's a move that makes NO SENSE whatsoever and would never, in a million years, happen in real life. And, the BEST part is they all chuckle and backslap over a case of Romulan Ale...which is illegal. Can you imagine back when the movie was made the Captain of the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz going over to pick Gorbechov up and inviting him to dinner where he and his staff can take a few hits off the old bong with the crew? WTF??


-How do the Enterprise's sensors...sensitive enough to tell the difference between Mr. Spock and a crew of Romulans in "The Enterprise Incident" not have a sensor record of the torpedoes originating from the cloaked bird of prey?


-Speaking of that, how is it that Grissom on CSI probably could have figured out through forensic analysis that the Enterprise's torpedoe tubes had not fired those shots at Kronos One...but 430 guys with tricorders and science backgrounds couldn't???


-Speaking of that, are you trying to tell me that those highly sensitive sensors wouldn't have located Klingon blood on the ship? I mean, Checkov had to find the freaking stuff by hand on the transporter pad.


-If security is so tight around the second peace conference (let's remember, one superpower's leader has ALREADY BEEN ASSASSINATED)...how the HELL does a guy sneak a sniper rifle into the building, and then go find himself up on a pearch perfectly positioned for an assassination...without anyone noticing?


-Most fundamentally, the whole movie depends on this idea that peace with the Klingons means the end of Starfleet (Chang's quote to Kirk about "giving up Starfleet", the officer asking "are we talking about mothballing the fleet", Valeris saying "SAVING Starfleet")...yet we all know that this is complete nonsense. Starfleet doesn't exist soley to defend the Federation from the Klingon threat...so it really makes everyone's motivations for fear and prejudice turn into wattery made-up crap rather quickly.  


I'm not saying I don't enjoy the film. It has some great moments, and it's certainly better than a few of the other films. That said, I go back to my original statement that it amazes me that so many fans (as nitpicky and petty as most are) consider this to be amongst the strongest outings. I'm one of the least nitpicky fans I know...but even I can't help but be turned off by the sloppy plot of "The Undiscovered Country."


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