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best trek film of them all??

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Report this Mar. 16 2012, 8:11 am

I like the Undiscovered Country the most.  I'm not sure if I'd say it's the best, just the one I like the most.

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Report this Mar. 16 2012, 7:53 pm

 


So Picard in reality wanted to be a family man. The service held him back and stopped him from really doing what he wanted to do. That he would pick being a father over a Star Ship Captain any day. throughout the series he always picked his captaincy over any woman. He could have even had Beverley and had both.


Just because he wanted a family doesn't mean he would have chosen that over his command. Perhaps he wanted both. And it would be inappropriate to have a relationship with someone under his command.


What did we learn about Data in Generations?


I'd say finally getting emotions, initially being overwhelmed enough to refuse them, and eventually accepting them as part of him now, counts as character development.


How do we relate to a super genius villian who lives for thousands of years. One who would kill 3 billion people to get a really lame facsimilie of his family back. If I had been killed I would have said to my husband 'move on' don't kill people to get some 'fake me' back. Why didn't Soran just go back in time through any one of the tens-of-means shown throughout the series and save his actual family?


If something really horrible happened to someone you love, can you say with absolute certainty that you would continue to think rationally? Soran is a good villain because he demonstrates that even good people who "wouldn't hurt a fly" can be contaminated by horrible grief.


Why no time travel? Well, the Nexus is kind of alluring - everything you ever wanted, no assembly required. Kirk and Picard only resisted it because they knew they had to fulfill their duty as Starfleet officers. And as I said, Soran wasn't thinking clearly.


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Report this Mar. 18 2012, 11:18 am

Picard's and Kirk's ultimate fantasy as provided by the Nexus was 'having a family' not say getting younger and getting the best ship to captain all over again.


The Nexus provides the ultimate fantasy not the second best. This wasn't my definition of the Nexus it was the writers. Obviously Kirk never wanted to be a Starship captain, he just wanted to be a farmer making pancakes for his (one) lady.


Their ultimate fantasies are just lame lame lame.


Keep in mind that both Kirk and Picard were feeling lonely at the time - Picard had just lost his brother and nephew, and was feeling anxious about how he would be the last of the Picards. Kirk was finding retirement lonely, and wanted a family to share it with. That doesn't mean they would have chosen those lives over their real ones - just that at the time, they wanted families. And both rejected that fantasy in favor of their real lives.


And Soran had 80 years to think about a very complex plan. Obviously Guinan resisted the Nexus without much problem as she never talked about it her entire time in TNG.


Guinan is a very different person than Soran. She didn't go insane after leaving the Nexus, though she did want to go back. We also don't know whether she lost anyone close during either the assimilation of he homeworld or in the destruction of the Lakul.


So Soran the scientist was so narccistic that he would kill 3 billion people to have his fantasy world in the Nexus where he could have gone back in time and just saved his family/people.


He could have just taken drugs or lived in a holodeck world if he wanted the fantasy of his family back. You know they complain that Nero was crazy, what was Soran doing I can't understand.


My point exactly. Soran was insane - he lost his family, he lost his planet, and he lost out on his chance for a "perfect" existance. Getting his family back wasn't the only thing he wanted, I'm sure. In the Nexus, he could have anything he ever desired.


And just for the record, there weren't 3 billion people on Veridian-IV...just 230 million.


Did Data accept his emotions because I thought that he didn't have them in the ret of the movies. Sounds like he rejected them to me.


He had emotions in "First Contact" - the Borg Queen activated the emotion chip to make Data more vulnerable to persuasion. He didn't use the chip in "Insurrection" or "Nemesis", but that doesn't mean he 'rejected' it.


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Report this Mar. 18 2012, 12:22 pm

For TOS, my favorite will always be TVH.

And for TNG, First Contact was the best out of all the others.

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Report this Mar. 18 2012, 12:31 pm

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> style="text-decoration: underline;">Picard's and Kirk's ultimate fantasy as provided by the Nexus was 'having a family' not say getting younger and getting the best ship to captain all over again.

> style="text-decoration: underline;">The Nexus provides the ultimate fantasy not the second best. This wasn't my definition of the Nexus it was the writers. Obviously Kirk never wanted to be a Starship captain, he just wanted to be a farmer making pancakes for his (one) lady.


why does that seem to suprise you?Most people, when they get older, wonder asbout the road not traveled.


So why would either fasntasise about what they already had?


And Soran had 80 years to think about a very complex plan. Obviously Guinan resisted the Nexus without much problem as she never talked about it her entire time in TNG.


Talking or not talking about durring TNG it is irrelevent.She said it was very hard to forget the Nexus.


So Soran the scientist was so narccistic that he would kill 3 billion people to have his fantasy world in the Nexus where he could have gone back in time and just saved his family/people.


Did Data accept his emotions because I thought that he didn't have them in the ret of the movies. Sounds like he rejected them to me.


Well your wrong.He had the emotion chip trew other films.He even mentions being afarid durring First Contact.


 


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Report this Mar. 19 2012, 9:25 am

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>Another thing was that Kirk's fantasy was especially bad - it was more like Shatner's fantasy. If the producers directors of Generations had any respect for TOS (which they didn't) they would have introduced someone we all knew like Edith or Miramanee or Carol as his fantasy. Someone we knew about.

 

here I agree 110% with you.

 

3 billion or 230 million. Did it really matter? We didn't see any of them or know what they looked like. Bad directing there. They could have lost some of the endless shots of the poor oppressed 'Baku'? in INS and used them in GEN so we could have had some sympathy for the peopleof Veridian 3.


Dude, you really need to re-watch the film, your forgetting a few key details.


Thye reason we never see any people on Veridian 3 is because it was un-inhabited.The plasnet Kirk dided on had no people.


It was Veridian 4 that contained life.


I think Data pretty darn well rejected his emotion chip if he didn't use it. I thought he had it removed because he thought he couldn't handle it. In fact I thought he had it effectively removed for the next 3 movies as wasn't acting like a raving fruitcake in them.


He used the chip in FC, Picard told him to turn it off early in the film.In Inssurection it seemed to be working fine.


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Report this Mar. 19 2012, 10:26 am

I agree that "Generations" was an awkward mess of a film. I think it is made even worse by the fact that it COULD have been so much more (the meeting between Kirk and Picard, etc), and it was SO much less.


I still enjoy it, and I will watch it...but it was a weak Star Trek film, as was Insurrection.

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Report this Mar. 19 2012, 10:32 am

Here is my rankings of the 11 Trek feature films. The "spaces between" represent the distance in my appreciation for one movie vs. the next ranked movie.


 


1. Star Trek II- The Wrath of Khan


2. Star Trek III- The Search for Spock


 


3. Star Trek- The Motion Picture                                                          


4. Star Trek (2009)


 


5. Star Trek- First Contact


 


6. Star Trek V- The Final Frontier


 


 


7. Star Trek VI- The Undiscovered Country


8. Star Trek- Nemesis


 


 


9. Star Trek IV- The Voyage Home


 


 


 


10. Star Trek- Generations


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


11. Star Trek- Insurrection

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Report this Mar. 19 2012, 9:45 pm

Most of the movies are pretty much even to me, in the sense of my least favourite (possibly TMP or Nemesis I'm not sure which) aren't that far below my favourite (First Contact) and second fave (Voyage Home)... So if I listed them in order from #1 to #11 it wouldn't really matter. I do like all of them.


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Report this Mar. 19 2012, 11:38 pm

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>Again I say Veridian 3 or Veridian 4 who cares? OK maybe you do but I don't.


my point is the reason we didnt see any of the people was because Picard/Kirk/soran werent on the planet that had humanoid life.


Veridian 3 did not support a huminoid culture, Veridian 4 did.


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Report this Mar. 20 2012, 12:48 am

^ They did show the children on the Enterprise, all of whom would have died as well.


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Report this Mar. 20 2012, 1:25 am

Galaxy Quest!


 


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Report this Mar. 20 2012, 3:27 pm

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>^ They did show the children on the Enterprise, all of whom would have died as well.

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The Enterprise kids are annoying so no great loss there.

Just joking, mostly.


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Report this Mar. 20 2012, 3:35 pm

1 Generations


  Nemesis


2 Wrath of Khan


4 Final Frontier


5 First Contact


5 Search for Spock


6 Voyage Home


7 2009


8 Insurrection


9 Motion Picture


(haven't seen Undiscovered Country yet)


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Report this Mar. 20 2012, 3:53 pm

Everybody Knows It's The Wrath Of Khan. Next Question.

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