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The reasons why Enterprise is fantastic, and does NOT break continuity

Sora

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Report this Feb. 25 2012, 2:33 pm

 


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was the OP forgetting about episode "These are the voyages..." when they made this post?


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Um, "These are the Voyages..." was specifically mentioned in the OP:


"And in a way they are part of TNG because of These Are The Voyages. And yes I realize 99.9% of fans say that's the worst episode in all of Star Trek. I'm in the 0.01% who actually loves it. I love Riker and Troi and I love that they got to come into Enterprise for that episode, because I also love The Pegasus episode."


And were you referencing that episode as a continuity breach or as proof that Enterprise wasn't a good series?


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Where to begin? The Stardate givin in "these are the voyages" is not in sync with the TNG episode. Troi was wearing a different hair style, different color uniform. Troi and Riker were aged and fat. There were two Rikers in one scene because of a CGI mixup. They made the turbolift prop wrong in the Enterprise episode.


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Really? Are you serious? This is like beyond nit picking...who's the say these scenes in Enterprise just weren't seen in the TNG episode? And The Pegasus takes place in Season 7 of TNG, by which point Troi DID change uniforms very frequently. And the stardates mean nothing to begin with anyway. The only two digits that matter are the first two. The rest of them are just pretty much made up numbers. And the Stardate did start with 47, making it take place in Season 7 of TNG. And there are some episodes in Star Trek where two different stardates are given in the same episode. So why can't there be another stardate in this one? Of course they're going to be aged, Season 7 of TNG was from 1993-1994. These are The Voyages was 2005. I'd be a little worried if they weren't aged. You kind of have to look passed that one. There's no way to get passed it.


No offense, but it just seems like you're grasping at threads here.


And for the record, I'm sure Trials and Tribble-ations have some minor inconsistancies from TOS to DS9, because they had to remake certain props for the DS9 episode, but I bet you love that episode...but ENT has to have everything 100% perfect....I always thought that was an interesting double standard the majority fans have.

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Report this Feb. 25 2012, 2:45 pm

Quote: GulMatan @ Feb. 24 2012, 10:11 am

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>In terms of ENT as a superb series, the speeches Archer gives about the lessons he's learned in living the human conditions (i.e. how Archer tells Phlox about our prejudices destroy reconciliation) make him about on par with Kirk's approach.  As far as continuity, I appreciate how the ENT canon establishes and illustrates the tech and policies I take for granted in the later series.

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Ah, yes, the Archer speeches. Those are one of my favorite aspects of the show.


"Up until about a hundred years ago... there was one question that burned in every Human - that made us study the stars and dream of traveling to them: "Are we alone?" Our generation is privileged to know the answer to that question. We are all explorers, driven to know what's over the horizon, what's beyond our own shores. And yet... the more I've experienced, the more I've learned... that no matter how far we travel, or how fast we get there... the most profound discoveries are not necessarily beyond that next star. They're within us - woven into the threads that bind us - all of us - to each other. The final frontier begins in this hall. Let's explore it together."


- Archer, at the founding of the Coalition of Planets in "Terra Prime"


 


"When I was in my early twenties on a trip to East Africa, I saw a gazelle giving birth. It was truly amazing. Within minutes, the baby was standing up–standing up on its own. A few more minutes, and it was walking. And before I knew it it was running alongside its mother, moving away with the herd. Humans aren't like that, Ambassador. We may come from the same planet as those gazelles, but we're pretty much helpless when we're born. It takes us months before we're able to crawl–almost a full year before we can walk. Our deep space mission isn't much different. We're going to stumble, make mistakes – I'm sure more than a few before we find our footing. But we're going to learn from those mistakes. That's what being human is all about. I'm sorry you can't see that."


- Archer, defending Enterprise's mission to the Vulcans in "Shockwave, Part II" 


Those are two of my favorites.


"The future is in the hands of those who explore... And from all the beauty they discover while crossing perpetually receding frontiers, they develop for nature and for humankind an infinite love." - Jacques Yves Cousteau

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Report this Feb. 26 2012, 9:00 am

Mitchz95, I remember that last quote in particular. Good material. I wish ENT had more respect than it sometimes gets, but, I suspect the numbers are growing, from before, who have learned to appreciate the series...and the wonderful friendship that came to be, between Archer and T'Pol, who defied logic, and convention, to stand with the human(s) she learned were more than worthy of her loyalty.


''If I were captain, i'd open every crack in the universe, and peek inside, just like Captain Janeway does''-Kes, ''The Cloud''

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Report this Feb. 26 2012, 11:47 am

Why was enterprise fantastic? I'll tell you why enterprise was fantastic!



Go ahead. Ask me why Voyager was fantastic.


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Report this Feb. 26 2012, 12:41 pm

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Feb. 26 2012, 11:47 am

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>Why was enterprise fantastic? I'll tell you why enterprise was fantastic!

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>Go ahead. Ask me why Voyager was fantastic.

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ok...............


why Voyager was fantastic?


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Matthias Russell

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Report this Feb. 26 2012, 2:06 pm

BAM!!!



That's why!


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Report this Feb. 28 2012, 8:58 am

I don't like feeling this way about ANY Star Trek show or episode but....I really just hate this episode:



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Report this Feb. 28 2012, 3:17 pm

Hey, I love TOS and still like Enterprise. There might be a few mistakes, but all in all it's a GREAT show!


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Report this Mar. 01 2012, 1:42 am

I realy enjoyed the enterprise series, I just wish it wasn't cut short, I believe they stuck with the Star trek theme and showed that the relationship between the volcans and humans wasn't as close made out in TNG, VOY and DS9. It gave me better understanding of the rest of Star Trek TV series and movies. Try watching in order of ENT, TNG, DS9 the VOY, it runs well.

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Report this Mar. 01 2012, 5:33 am

Quote: Shannon Caspar @ Mar. 01 2012, 1:42 am

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>I realy enjoyed the enterprise series, I just wish it wasn't cut short, I believe they stuck with the Star trek theme and showed that the relationship between the volcans and humans wasn't as close made out in TNG, VOY and DS9. It gave me better understanding of the rest of Star Trek TV series and movies. Try watching in order of ENT, TNG, DS9 the VOY, it runs well.

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What about TOS?


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Report this Mar. 01 2012, 4:40 pm

TOS is too old and doesn't work with them, I tried to include TOS but felt the quality just wasn't the same, I tried to take into account the technology of the time of it's creation, but just couldn't make it work for me

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Report this Mar. 02 2012, 1:06 pm

I was very dismissive of ENT when it first aired, so much so I gave up on it after S2. But I caught the Mirror episodes on the off-chance a few years ago and I loved them, so I went back, watched S3 and S4 and now I'm hooked. I'm rewatching it again from the beginning and I'm loving pretty much every aspect of the show, with the TOS-style character relationships and series continuity being key highlights.


People aren't babbling away to the computer, or simply beaming on and off planets, or taking the universal translator for granted. The look of the ship (inside and out) is purely functional, as machines tend to be when they're the first of their kind. The bold, stylized look of TOS may seem alien (heh) after the verisimilitude of ENT, but for me it flows perfectly because the 1701 represents 100 years of improvements in starship design, and it's gotten to the point where form has been allowed to overtake (or has perhaps become) function.


Obviously the adventures of Archer and co. weren't adapted into wider Trek lore until very late in the game, which will always irk some people, but what can you do about that? It's a prequel. It didn't exist until 2001. CBS aren't gonna go back and insert random ENT references throughout the other shows. And it's not like major Trek lore hasn't suddenly been thrust upon us before; who the hell knew what happened to Jim Kirk before the events of Generations? Just 'cause no-one mentioned it for the 7 years of TNG's TV run, doesn't mean the incident with Enterprise B and the 'energy ribbon' didn't happen 70-odd years earlier.


Of course, nothing's perfect. I still have trouble with the Borg episode because it's a bit of a cheat, not having them mention their name so that their 'species' is not mentioned in Starfleet's databases. They don't always state their name, which has been covered in this thread, but I continue to feel that it was one of ENT's lazier writing efforts.


Still, overall I think ENT's brilliant. It covers shadier moral ground than TNG or VOY, whilst retaining the spikier character dynamics of TOS. After finishing S4 I was in a funk for days afterwards, knowing that the show was cut off in its prime, and not only that, it was finished with an episode that spat in the eye of every ENT fan. Thank God for the novels which have revealed what really happened to Trip...

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Report this Mar. 03 2012, 2:51 pm

One thing that was missed out, continuity wise, was the acknowledgement of the Romulan's cloaking ability. It's clear from watching 'Balance Of Terror' (TOS) that our heroes don't have a clue about the cloaking device, yet it's clearly witnessed (so to speak) in 'Minefield' (ENT).


It's nice to simply say 'Section 31 covered it up' but without any evidence it can only go down as a cock-up.

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Report this Mar. 03 2012, 3:53 pm

Quote: Geoff_D @ Mar. 03 2012, 2:51 pm

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>One thing that was missed out, continuity wise, was the acknowledgement of the Romulan's cloaking ability. It's clear from watching 'Balance Of Terror' (TOS) that our heroes don't have a clue about the cloaking device, yet it's clearly witnessed (so to speak) in 'Minefield' (ENT).

>It's nice to simply say 'Section 31 covered it up' but without any evidence it can only go down as a cock-up.

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All the series have continuity issues - for one, in "Encounter at Farpoint" Data claims he graduated in the "class of `78." However, it's later established in "The Neutral Zone" that the current year is 2364, meaning that Data would have had to exist during the era of James Kirk (which is contradicted in numerous episodes).


There is no obvious answer to why the Romulans had cloaks in ENT. Perhaps they weren't really cloaking devices as we know them today, but rather holographic skins projected over the ships to make them hard to see/detect.


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