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Report this Feb. 06 2012, 6:41 pm

Okay, we all know how savage Klingons can be in a fight, and we know that for the most part, they're bred to fight almost from birth. Their culture is based upon warfare. Now, we also know that thousands of years ago, Vulcans were a savage, warlike race who almost destroyed themselves because of in-fighting.  At some point in their history, they embraced the way of logic and learned to control their emotions, thus supressing their inate savagery. However, in rare cases, Vulcans have been known to fly off the handle. And we've all seen what a pissed off Vulcan is capeable of. Both races have hyper strength and reflexes, and both can be extremely savage. For the Klingons, however, savagery is sort of embraced. For the Vulcans, one would have to really piss 'em off. My question is: you put a Vulcan who's lost control of his emothions; say he or she is going thru P'onn F'arr (sp) or has simply lost it for some reason, in a room or anywhere else with a ticked off Klingon with something to prove.....who's walking out of there?

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Report this Feb. 08 2012, 10:51 pm

I say the Kilngon as Vulcans are a peacful race as was stated and given the amount of times Kirk and McCoy have "insulted" Spock he has never shown anger excluding of course the marrage ritual and being poisoned by the flower but he was already showing all other emotion so excluding those situations i say it is impossible to piss off a Vulcan


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Report this Feb. 09 2012, 3:56 am

I'll say Vulcan.  In TOS, Kirk commented that Spock, even as a half Vulcan, could easily kick the crap out of a Human, and IIRC said that Spock had the strength of 10 Humans or something like that, and Klingons are supposedly approximately the same strength as Humans from what I have heard.  Riker seems to have literally knocked some sense into that Klingon when he slammed his head into that panel showing that Klingons are not 10 times the strength of Humans.  In that baseball episode of DS9, Sisko says that the only person on his team as strong as the Vulcans is Worf.  As that episode was arguably the most vile piece of anti-Vulcan propaganda in all of Star Trek, I think we should just ignore it anyway.  T'Pol did quite well against Klingons.  Vulcans are also more adaptive, while it has been mentioned that Klingons, in spite of their rampant bragging, do not adapt well to changes in circumstances.

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Report this Feb. 09 2012, 6:22 am

I'll say Vulcan. A Klingon would probably understimate a Vulcan in hand-to-hand combat, leading to his/her defeat. And even under Pon Farr or some other agitated state, i have to think Vulcans would retain some level of analytical process at best, kind of like Sherlock Holmes in the newest films. AT worst, they match strength with strengh and it goes right back to underestimating a Klingon.


The closest thing I have to compare is that Kirk fought Spock and Klingons, and it seems to me that Kirk had an easier time with the Klingons.


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Report this Feb. 09 2012, 12:25 pm

Depends. One-on-one, I could see it going either way. A Vulcan's strength and logic could be outmatched by a Klingon with great hand-to-hand fighting skills.


As part of a group effort, Vulcans no doubt. Certainly what they may lose in a battle would be made up by winning the war. Long-term offenses require strategy, thorough analysis, and logic.


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Report this Feb. 14 2012, 7:01 am

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>Normally I would say Vulcans as I think Archer and maybe even Reed was able to beat a Klingon in a fight.

>However I think I remember an episode in VOY where the half-Klingon BElanna kicked Vorick's (a full Vulcan) butt. Is my memory correct?

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Pshhh....those two (Reed and Archer) beat Borg drones hand to hand. As in literally punched and kicked them and won. I'd love to see Kirk go up against either of them in a TOS style fight.


And yes, B'elanna fought Vorik, but it was in the midst of Pon-farr however, so I don't know how much it counts.


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Report this Feb. 14 2012, 8:18 am

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Pshhh....those two (Reed and Archer) beat Borg drones hand to hand. As in literally punched and kicked them and won. I'd love to see Kirk go up against either of them in a TOS style fight.

And yes, B'elanna fought Vorik, but it was in the midst of Pon-farr however, so I don't know how much it counts.


 


I'll say Klingon, just based on Worf.


But having said that, Guillermo.mejia makes a GREAT point with Reed and Archer beating the borg hands on. And don't forget that in "Marauders" (ENT) T'Pol taught the colony some Vulcan tricks on how to fight as well as Reed showing them how to defend themselves against the Klingons.


With all that said, I still say Klingons. There are a lot in the Klingon Empire that will use their brawn and brains to fight.


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Report this Feb. 15 2012, 6:09 am

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Pshhh....those two (Reed and Archer) beat Borg drones hand to hand. As in literally punched and kicked them and won. I'd love to see Kirk go up against either of them in a TOS style fight.

And yes, B'elanna fought Vorik, but it was in the midst of Pon-farr however, so I don't know how much it counts.

 

I'll say Klingon, just based on Worf.

But having said that, Guillermo.mejia makes a GREAT point with Reed and Archer beating the borg hands on. And don't forget that in "Marauders" (ENT) T'Pol taught the colony some Vulcan tricks on how to fight as well as Reed showing them how to defend themselves against the Klingons.

With all that said, I still say Klingons. There are a lot in the Klingon Empire that will use their brawn and brains to fight.

Let's use the champions then to gauge this:


T'Pol vs Worf (without weapons), because we I don't remmeber ever seeing Tuvok really fight convincingly.


I wanna think T'Pol....but I have to say Worf.


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Report this Feb. 15 2012, 7:29 am

Vulcans for me. But Klingons if no tricks allowed. What about the Romulans?

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Report this Feb. 15 2012, 8:19 am

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>Normally I would say Vulcans as I think Archer and maybe even Reed was able to beat a Klingon in a fight.

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Pshhh....those two (Reed and Archer) beat Borg drones hand to hand. As in literally punched and kicked them and won. I'd love to see Kirk go up against either of them in a TOS style fight.

And yes, B'elanna fought Vorik, but it was in the midst of Pon-farr however, so I don't know how much it counts.

 

I'll say Klingon, just based on Worf.

But having said that, Guillermo.mejia makes a GREAT point with Reed and Archer beating the borg hands on. And don't forget that in "Marauders" (ENT) T'Pol taught the colony some Vulcan tricks on how to fight as well as Reed showing them how to defend themselves against the Klingons.

With all that said, I still say Klingons. There are a lot in the Klingon Empire that will use their brawn and brains to fight.

Let's use the champions then to gauge this:

T'Pol vs Worf (without weapons), because we I don't remmeber ever seeing Tuvok really fight convincingly.

I wanna think T'Pol....but I have to say Worf.


I don't remember seeing Tuvok like that as well. 


 


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Report this Feb. 15 2012, 8:48 am

^ And he's suppose to be the Vulcan Tactical officer who has studied martial arts from all over the Alpha Quadrent.


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Report this Feb. 15 2012, 9:08 am

is this question necessary? the KLINGONS, no contest!!


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Report this Feb. 16 2012, 5:10 am

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Report this Feb. 16 2012, 12:37 pm

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Pshhh....those two (Reed and Archer) beat Borg drones hand to hand. As in literally punched and kicked them and won. I'd love to see Kirk go up against either of them in a TOS style fight.

And yes, B'elanna fought Vorik, but it was in the midst of Pon-farr however, so I don't know how much it counts.

 

I'll say Klingon, just based on Worf.

But having said that, Guillermo.mejia makes a GREAT point with Reed and Archer beating the borg hands on. And don't forget that in "Marauders" (ENT) T'Pol taught the colony some Vulcan tricks on how to fight as well as Reed showing them how to defend themselves against the Klingons.

With all that said, I still say Klingons. There are a lot in the Klingon Empire that will use their brawn and brains to fight.

Let's use the champions then to gauge this:

T'Pol vs Worf (without weapons), because we I don't remmeber ever seeing Tuvok really fight convincingly.

I wanna think T'Pol....but I have to say Worf.

I wouldn't pick T'Pol as my champion. Maybe Sybok or Spock? Not the VOY Vulcans either.\

And not Worf - maybe Kang.

I dunno....I think Worf could beat Kang.


As for Spock and Sybok...Sybok was a religious leader and always let others do the fighting for him. As for Spock, yes we've seen him fight before but he was a peaceful guy at heart. The onlly reason the Vulcan Neck Pinch exists is because it was un-Vulcan for Spock to simply punch somone in the face. T'Pol however had secret agent training and stuff, inclusing self defense.


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Report this Feb. 16 2012, 12:40 pm

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Pshhh....those two (Reed and Archer) beat Borg drones hand to hand. As in literally punched and kicked them and won.

I roll my eyes at that. Either Reed and Archer are supermen or 24th century guys are a big bunch of baby girls a they are creamed by Borg in hand-to-hand combat everytime.

And I join you in the eye-rolling.


I'd rather think that the Federation is so advanced and into the ideals of peace that they really can't fight, by 20th, 21st, and 22nd Century standards.


I'd like to think Kirk could have taken one out if it was one on one. Yanking cables out quickly shouldn't that hard....


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