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Feb. 06 2012, 10:21 am
Quote: Beccs_ @ Feb. 06 2012, 10:07 am | Quote: DammitJim6200 @ Feb. 03 2012, 7:43 pm | Quote: /view_profile/ @ | >
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>It blows my mind sometimes how people are so sure that the religion they follow is correct.I will admit that there is some good things in the bible(and some horrible things)but most of it is ridicules.To claim to know "gods plan" is pure arrogance. You don't even if this god fellow exist. Hell you dont even know if I exist and for that matter you don't even know if you exist. Nobody knows who or what god is(or even if such a being is real) If we are to discuss what mankinds destiny is then lets do that but lets leave ancient text written by men out of the loop. We will find no answers about our destiny in bronze age text(as I stated before) and we will find no scientific answers nor will we find any political answers. What u will find is a philosophy and that is it. The existance of god cannot be proven or disproven and it really doesn't really matter. What does matter is how we treat each other and if that's not enough for your god then to hell with him (yes I'm aware of the irony in that statement.) I do agree we need to make humanity our priority before we inflict the rest of the universe with our pressance though I don't think we will.if we do make it out there I'm sure any life forms we come across won't much like us and I'm willing to bet we won't much like them either(if they exist that is) As for colonizing, well thats what we do. |
I'm sure I'm aware of my existence my friend, I personally believe God exist, If you don't, thats you, how do you think we can make humanity our priority when we don't believe in principles in which laws are built ? whether you believe in God or not there are laws and principles a society must meet in order to survive almost all wars were fought when people forget this, we could had a base on the moon right now just like that TV show Space 1999, why we don't have it yet ? GREED from powerful nations,you mention what does matter is how we treat each other ? look at the world, you tell me how thats going ?
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Yes, there are laws that societies require to function. These don't come from any deity. They come from our social evolution. When our society consisted of simple hunter/gatherer groups they would have realised very early on that killing members of the tribe would have had detrimental repercussions for the entire tribe.
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Also, the point about "almost all wars fought when people forgot this" ignored the basic truth that much of the bloodshed and conflict of our history has been over different sides believing their god myth was more correct than someone else's god myth and deciding they needed to be wiped off the face of the earth because of it. Christianity is still made up a divided sects that believe the others are wrong and aren't going to the same special heaven they are, and they even deny that others are actually True Christians. Hate, fear, conflict have been and still are a cornerstone of organized religion.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few--or the one.
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DammitJim6200 GROUP: Members POSTS: 6876  |
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Feb. 07 2012, 1:47 am
Quote: /view_profile/ @ | >Once again Jim you have compleaty missed my point so I will try to make my point more clear. First ,I did not mean that I never listened to my parents, I meant that I learned some things on my own.You know, through life experience. Second, treating people well is a simple thing and has nothing to do with god. Anyone with an open mind can see(even those who were indoctrinated at childhood to believe in farie tales)that morality does not comes from god. I remind you that a vast majority of the world is god fearing. How is that working out. Third, when I asked about the tree of knowledge I was making a point. It is this,if god wanted man to learn he would have told man to eat from the tree. That seems to be logical don't ya think? Now I don't want to insult your beliefs an if I have I'm truly sorry. A little story. When I was in school years ago ( grade 6 I think at a catholic school) my teacher a nun was teaching us about debating. We were to debate whether cars or horses were better and she chose who would be on each side. I was chosen to take the side of horses. Not fully understanding I said horses were better than cars because god made horses and cars were made by man. She stopped me and explained to me that this was not a valid argument. A nun said this. Can you guess why? Jim, you have been debating now for a long time with another fellow about Obama. Both you guys disagree on a lot but I'm sure you both agree that Obama exists. See my point. If I said that Bin Laden was still alive we might have a debate about just this however if I said he is alive and the reason no one has seen him because he found the one ring(lord of the rings) and became invisible then that would spark an argument as to whether the one ring exists. See my point. If you ask if gods plan is for man to leave earth then you spark a debate about the existance of god. Unlike the Obama point not everybody believes god exists. If you want to debate the existance of god then that's fine, I'm happy to do this as I find it an interesting subject and I suspect there are others who enjoy it as well. But there is no need to disguise your intentions with another subject. All you need to do is say " I believe in god wanna argue" and people will. |
Okay, we're not reading each other clearly, so try to follow me, FIRST you have understand why God told Adam and Eve not to eat from the tree, God wanted man to learn but most importantly he wanted man's OBEDIENCE, I get the impression you feel it was okay for them to eat from the tree since it gives them knowledge ? no, God was testing their loyalty to him, and they lost out, if they had obeyed God then their lives would had been better and they would gain GREATER knowledge in the long run..And I don't need to argue about God, we can debate his creations,his existence, why believe in him if you cannot see him ?what about air can you see it? can you see gravity ? no but you feel it.. You mention me debating about Obama with another person that shows Obama exists, physically, yes because we see and hear him, Do some doubt the existence of God because a powerful being is beyond our scope of comprehension, INFINITE knowledge and power is beyond us. look at TIME, no one can point to a certain moment as the beginning of time, we live and die, time does not. Space-There is no beginning and no end, can we fully comprehend the beginning or ending of our universe ? if the universe came about from a non-intelligent source and life on Earth came about on it's own then we can conclude humanity is just one big mistake originating from nothing and it won't make difference if and asteriod came and wipe us all out, right ? ... If you want we can leave God out of the conversation and talk about mankinds his weaknesses and his place in the universe.
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