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Report this Feb. 02 2012, 11:55 am

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I've read the the Bible from Genesis to Revelations and no where does it state that humans are alone in the universe. The Bible's sole purpose is to educate mankind about His Will and how to maintain a relationship with Him. It is not a science text or a collection of all the knowledge in the universe.

As for your assertion about not finding anything else in space, do you TRULY understand the vast distances of space and our limited technology? Or as we believers like to point out, absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence. Humans haven't even fully catalogued all of the species on earth. There are vast stretches of the deep ocean we have no clue about.

Finally, the Bible clearly says God gave us free will. If we can find a way to successfully get off earth and live in other environments, then it will happen. The only things holding us back are technology and knowledge.

treknoir, listen to me, intelligent life such as ours hasn't been discovered yet, sure space is vast our own solar system goes on for millions of miles, but so far we are the real deal, we can speculate on many things, certain creatures on earth are claim to exist like a large sasquach, until it is DISCOVERED it remains a myth.

Yes, God did give us free will, but he never said anything about leaving Earth did he ?..God express his purpose for humanity when he said "Be fruitful and become many and fill the Earth."(Gen. 1:28) If we are suppose to be in space that's not the original plan of the creator.   

And yet we are supposed accept god as more than a myth even though there is no prove of his/her exsistance?

There is no mention of airplanes or man being able to fly, so wouldn't that be against gods plan?

No mention of automobiles, so cars are evil?

No mention of modern surgery techniques, indoor plumbing or the internet.

The Patriots crushed (literaly) Tim Tebow, so Tom Brady must be the anti-christ?

Well, if you need proof of God's creation look at the Universe, the Earth is perfect for life in everyway, people grow, learn,evolve and adapt.

and, no airplanes and cars are not evil, mankind is suppose to use his mind to create..If there were cars in Jesus time he I'm sure he would drivehad a car back..

I believe when the time is right, mankind will colonize space in some form,but first he have to cure Earths problems first, poverty and hunger is a start.   

Really? Just look around and see the proof? okay, but waht I see contradicts what is written so which am I to believe?

You said It was not in god's plan for us to leave the earth and yet you say you believe we will and the fact is we have. So are we going against god or not?

God's plan is for us to populate the Earth, it isen't God's plan for us to leave Earth but because of technology we have gone into space, technology is evolution, God wants us to learn and evolve but our first, priority should be Earth, once we fix humanity then we can explore space. 

God believes in evolution?

Science can not disprove the exsistance of god, however it can and has disproven biblical claims.

You seem to want it both ways, but it's either true or not.

The bible doesn't say anything about man leaving earth, but it doesn't say we shouldn't either. Go bakc to my example about automobiles. Now if it is okay to use that technology, why would it be not okay to use the technology that allows us to leave this planet?

If you really believe the bible, you would not say that something is against god's plan but then say he wants us to do it after we fix humanity. First, as a christian you should realize that man can not fix humanity. That's why Jesus had to come amongst us and then be sacrificed. That's FAIL #1 for you.Secondly, as a christian you should know that god doesn't change his mind, that's FAIL #2 for you.

You assert that if the bible doesn't say it then it's wrong or against god's plan, then you back down from that position. And what of other religeons and belief systems? They are just as convinced that theirs is the true path. Mythology is Mythology no matter the source.

 

Listen to me, you can't assume what the Bible says, READ what it say, READ what I say. FIRST- Yes God does believe Man should evolve, he gave us a brain to achieve alot and remember Adam and Eve were perfect, God had large plans for them, had they not sinned, who knows what the human race  would had evolve into, so yes God does what us to learn and grow..

SECOND-What facts biblical claims has science disproven ? 

THIRD- The Bible dosen't say nothing about not leaving Earth, God only said to Adam and Eve "BE FRUITFUL AND POPULATE THE EARTH" GEN.1:28. He said nothing about leaving the planet, he wants man to take care of his affairs on Earth and once he does when he's ready maybe he can venture in space

FOURTH- Can man fix humanity ? some of us believe God left us intructions on how to live and treat each other, The work is up to us but faith that a creator can guide us helps alot. ROM. 10:17

FIFTH- You mention Jesus sacrifice his life, Why would God send his Son to do this ? Wouldn't one of his apostles do ? What position did I back down from ? yes there are other religions, people  believe what they want..But for those who want to follow the Bible, Jesus leaves us intructions on how to worship God. (MATT.4:10)

 


 


I've read it.  Thoroughly.  Several times.


Disproven biblical claims?  The Great flood, Exodus, others.


To answer your previous response to me:


Yes, the Greeks and potentially the Egyptians (though this has yet to be clearly demonstrated) knew the world was spherical long before Galileo.  That doesn't answer the point that the Bible does not clearly state that the Earth is a sphere or the fact they used "circle of the Earth) and not "BALL of the Earth" when the Hebrews had a word for ball.


As to the predator?  I won't name names.  It knows who it is and has been banned here at least 20 times under multiple names.  It's just an uneducated spammer, predator and troll that apparently can't spell "loser" even when it's written for "him".


And the Mutt board?  Just a last refuge for the desperate, the unhealthy, and the insane where the two or three members (again using multiple accounts to talk to themselves) can whine and whinge about how the world is so cruel to them and they can ignore their own shortcomings by blaming everyone else for their social ineptitude.

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Report this Feb. 02 2012, 12:10 pm

Reminds me of a similar conversation between a reporter and CDR Sinclair in Babylon 5.  His answer:



"We have to stay here. And there's a simple reason why. Ask ten different scientists about the environment, population control, genetics, and you'll get ten different answers, but there's one thing every scientist on the planet agrees on. Whether it happens in a hundred years or a thousand years or a million years, eventually our Sun will grow cold and go out. When that happens, it won't just take us. It'll take Marilyn Monroe, and Lao-Tzu, and Einstein, and Morobuto, and Buddy Holly, and Aristophanes…[and] all of this…all of this…was for nothing. Unless we go to the stars."



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Report this Feb. 02 2012, 12:25 pm

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>"We have to stay here. And there's a simple reason why. Ask ten different scientists about the environment, population control, genetics, and you'll get ten different answers, but there's one thing every scientist on the planet agrees on. Whether it happens in a hundred years or a thousand years or a million years, eventually our Sun will grow cold and go out. When that happens, it won't just take us. It'll take Marilyn Monroe, and Lao-Tzu, and Einstein, and Morobuto, and Buddy Holly, and Aristophanes…[and] all of this…all of this…was for nothing. Unless we go to the stars."

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That had to be one of my favourite statements from Bab5.  And that's saying a lot becausae there were so many great lines,

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Report this Feb. 03 2012, 2:37 am

This sight pisses me off! Twice I've written out thoughtful replys and POOF they're gone!


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Report this Feb. 03 2012, 4:47 pm

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I've read the the Bible from Genesis to Revelations and no where does it state that humans are alone in the universe. The Bible's sole purpose is to educate mankind about His Will and how to maintain a relationship with Him. It is not a science text or a collection of all the knowledge in the universe.

As for your assertion about not finding anything else in space, do you TRULY understand the vast distances of space and our limited technology? Or as we believers like to point out, absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence. Humans haven't even fully catalogued all of the species on earth. There are vast stretches of the deep ocean we have no clue about.

Finally, the Bible clearly says God gave us free will. If we can find a way to successfully get off earth and live in other environments, then it will happen. The only things holding us back are technology and knowledge.

treknoir, listen to me, intelligent life such as ours hasn't been discovered yet, sure space is vast our own solar system goes on for millions of miles, but so far we are the real deal, we can speculate on many things, certain creatures on earth are claim to exist like a large sasquach, until it is DISCOVERED it remains a myth.

Yes, God did give us free will, but he never said anything about leaving Earth did he ?..God express his purpose for humanity when he said "Be fruitful and become many and fill the Earth."(Gen. 1:28) If we are suppose to be in space that's not the original plan of the creator.   

And yet we are supposed accept god as more than a myth even though there is no prove of his/her exsistance?

There is no mention of airplanes or man being able to fly, so wouldn't that be against gods plan?

No mention of automobiles, so cars are evil?

No mention of modern surgery techniques, indoor plumbing or the internet.

The Patriots crushed (literaly) Tim Tebow, so Tom Brady must be the anti-christ?

Well, if you need proof of God's creation look at the Universe, the Earth is perfect for life in everyway, people grow, learn,evolve and adapt.

and, no airplanes and cars are not evil, mankind is suppose to use his mind to create..If there were cars in Jesus time he I'm sure he would drivehad a car back..

I believe when the time is right, mankind will colonize space in some form,but first he have to cure Earths problems first, poverty and hunger is a start.   

Really? Just look around and see the proof? okay, but waht I see contradicts what is written so which am I to believe?

You said It was not in god's plan for us to leave the earth and yet you say you believe we will and the fact is we have. So are we going against god or not?

God's plan is for us to populate the Earth, it isen't God's plan for us to leave Earth but because of technology we have gone into space, technology is evolution, God wants us to learn and evolve but our first, priority should be Earth, once we fix humanity then we can explore space. 

God believes in evolution?

Science can not disprove the exsistance of god, however it can and has disproven biblical claims.

You seem to want it both ways, but it's either true or not.

The bible doesn't say anything about man leaving earth, but it doesn't say we shouldn't either. Go bakc to my example about automobiles. Now if it is okay to use that technology, why would it be not okay to use the technology that allows us to leave this planet?

If you really believe the bible, you would not say that something is against god's plan but then say he wants us to do it after we fix humanity. First, as a christian you should realize that man can not fix humanity. That's why Jesus had to come amongst us and then be sacrificed. That's FAIL #1 for you.Secondly, as a christian you should know that god doesn't change his mind, that's FAIL #2 for you.

You assert that if the bible doesn't say it then it's wrong or against god's plan, then you back down from that position. And what of other religeons and belief systems? They are just as convinced that theirs is the true path. Mythology is Mythology no matter the source.

 

Listen to me, you can't assume what the Bible says, READ what it say, READ what I say. FIRST- Yes God does believe Man should evolve, he gave us a brain to achieve alot and remember Adam and Eve were perfect, God had large plans for them, had they not sinned, who knows what the human race  would had evolve into, so yes God does what us to learn and grow..

SECOND-What facts biblical claims has science disproven ? 

THIRD- The Bible dosen't say nothing about not leaving Earth, God only said to Adam and Eve "BE FRUITFUL AND POPULATE THE EARTH" GEN.1:28. He said nothing about leaving the planet, he wants man to take care of his affairs on Earth and once he does when he's ready maybe he can venture in space

FOURTH- Can man fix humanity ? some of us believe God left us intructions on how to live and treat each other, The work is up to us but faith that a creator can guide us helps alot. ROM. 10:17

FIFTH- You mention Jesus sacrifice his life, Why would God send his Son to do this ? Wouldn't one of his apostles do ? What position did I back down from ? yes there are other religions, people  believe what they want..But for those who want to follow the Bible, Jesus leaves us intructions on how to worship God. (MATT.4:10)

 

 

I've read it.  Thoroughly.  Several times.

Disproven biblical claims?  The Great flood, Exodus, others.

To answer your previous response to me:

Yes, the Greeks and potentially the Egyptians (though this has yet to be clearly demonstrated) knew the world was spherical long before Galileo.  That doesn't answer the point that the Bible does not clearly state that the Earth is a sphere or the fact they used "circle of the Earth) and not "BALL of the Earth" when the Hebrews had a word for ball.


Beccs, Researchers have found evidence consistent with a world wide deluge  and stuydying the black Sea of Sinop, Researchers found indications that a catastrophic flood struck the area 7,000 years ago.

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Report this Feb. 03 2012, 4:57 pm

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Correct me if I'm wrong(it's been a while since I've read the bible)but god wanted people to learn then why did he get pissed off when Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge.


Because they disobeyed him, just suppose you gave your children all the christmas gifts they wanted and you tell them you may open all your presents but don't touch the RED box, a bad kid from up the street tells your kids not to listen to their parents and open the red box anyway how would you feel ? they disrepected and disobeyed you, therefore they must be punished..God gave Adam and Eve everything they wanted and they were to recieve more, not only did they NOT obeyed, they listen to a serpent who spoke against God.

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Report this Feb. 03 2012, 7:01 pm

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You kinda avoided the question there but ok..... I guess the real answer is there was no Adam or Eve or a tree of knowledge.The biblical god does not exist and therefore his plan for us doesn't matter.


What are you talking about ? I didn't avoid anything, you mention God wanted Adam and Eve to learn ? yes, he did, but how can they learn anything if they don't listen to him ? 

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Report this Feb. 03 2012, 7:43 pm

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>It blows my mind sometimes how people are so sure that the religion they follow is correct.I will admit that there is some good things in the bible(and some horrible things)but most of it is ridicules.To claim to know "gods plan" is pure arrogance. You don't even if this god fellow exist. Hell you dont even know if I exist and for that matter you don't even know if you exist. Nobody knows who or what god is(or even if such a being is real) If we are to discuss what mankinds destiny is then lets do that but lets leave ancient text written by men out of the loop. We will find no answers about our destiny in bronze age text(as I stated before) and we will find no scientific answers nor will we find any political answers. What u will find is a philosophy and that is it. The existance of god cannot be proven or disproven and it really doesn't really matter. What does matter is how we treat each other and if that's not enough for your god then to hell with him (yes I'm aware of the irony in that statement.) I do agree we need to make humanity our priority before we inflict the rest of the universe with our pressance though I don't think we will.if we do make it out there I'm sure any life forms we come across won't much like us and I'm willing to bet we won't much like them either(if they exist that is) As for colonizing, well thats what we do.


I'm sure I'm aware of my existence my friend, I personally believe God exist, If you don't, thats you, how do you think we can make humanity our priority when we don't believe in principles in which laws are built ? whether you believe in God or not there are laws and principles a society must meet in order to survive almost all wars were fought when people forget this, we could had a base on the moon right now just like that TV show Space 1999, why we don't have it yet ? GREED from powerful nations,you mention what does matter is how we treat each other ? look at the world, you tell me how thats going ?   


 

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Report this Feb. 03 2012, 7:47 pm

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You kinda avoided the question there but ok..... I guess the real answer is there was no Adam or Eve or a tree of knowledge.The biblical god does not exist and therefore his plan for us doesn't matter.

What are you talking about ? I didn't avoid anything, you mention God wanted Adam and Eve to learn ? yes, he did, but how can they learn anything if they don't listen to him ? 

I've learned plenty of things in my life without listening to my parents or my teachers. And you did avoid the question, you answered it as if you where in politics. You know damn well you are talking out of both sides of your face. Your view conflicts with your view.


Well, good for you, some of us learn alot from our parents, ask the question again clearly please.  

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Report this Feb. 05 2012, 2:58 pm

And it is a strange thing that most of the feeling we call religious, most of the mystical outcrying which is one of the most prized and used and desired reactions of our species, is really the understanding and the attempt to say that man is related to the whole thing, related inextricably to all reality, known and unknowable...It is advisable to look from the tide pool to the stars and then back to the tide pool again.


                                                                                                                                         - John Steinbeck


As Americans, we sometimes suffer from too much pluribus and not enough unum. - Arthur Schelsinger, Jr.

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Report this Feb. 05 2012, 10:43 pm

Many of the stories of The Bible are parables and meant to teach a simple lesson.  The book of Job is about not questioning why bad things happen to faithful people.  You don't know God's plan and didn't create the universe, so shut up and stop complaining.  Have faith and maybe things will turn out much better for you.  People were asking questions.  Hey, I'm a man of faith and my wife and children died of illness.  Why?  Shut up and stop asking questions.  God has a plan, but you aren't smart enough to know what it is.  People accept that to this day.  Gosh, I'm a faithful person, but I just lost my job and my wife has cancer.  Why would God do this to me?  Rather than suspect the universe is random and not under the control of any diety, they decide that they are being tested "God doesn't give you any obstical that you are not strong enough to overcome" or he's testing your faith like Job or people who are dead are in a better place or whatever BS nonsense people tell themselve to hold on to their faith.  The story works, apparenlty, for some.


The Adam and Eve story is, of course, alsoa parable.  Now people. look at what happened to Adam and Eve.  They were told that some knowledge they could not have, but their curiosity got the better of them.  They wanted knowledge and bad things happened to them.  If God says you shouldn't know something, well you just stay away from that bad old knowledge.  If you wonder if that story has worked, just look at some of the posts in this thread.  Apparently people are still quite willing to avoid learning and knowledge to keep their faith.  Proof, facts, evidence are all tests of their faith or the Devil's tools to confuse them.  They put away that knowledge to keep their faith, just as Adam and Eve should have done.


Me, I prefer the dog dropping his bone in the water to grasp the larger bone in the water's reflection.  That's a good one!

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Report this Feb. 06 2012, 1:28 am

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You say "look" a lot. Why should I stop what I'm doing? Why should I listen to you?Who are you? How do you know if we are alone in the universe? I think you are right about the Bible not saying anything about Mars or Alpha Centauri,I guess they are not real. Seriously though I'd say we will evolve into something else and we will reach the stars.


Hey, why come at me like that, friend ? I just ask a common question, how do I know we're alone ? well, so far we are I read science, I write Science Fiction short stories I know there are billions of Stars in our galaxy, millions of planets with possibilities of life, but UNTIL it's discovered, it's all theory isen't it ? I can say Kim Kardashian will fall in love with me if we meet , but if we never meet..I'll never know.

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Report this Feb. 06 2012, 10:01 am

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I've read the the Bible from Genesis to Revelations and no where does it state that humans are alone in the universe. The Bible's sole purpose is to educate mankind about His Will and how to maintain a relationship with Him. It is not a science text or a collection of all the knowledge in the universe.

As for your assertion about not finding anything else in space, do you TRULY understand the vast distances of space and our limited technology? Or as we believers like to point out, absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence. Humans haven't even fully catalogued all of the species on earth. There are vast stretches of the deep ocean we have no clue about.

Finally, the Bible clearly says God gave us free will. If we can find a way to successfully get off earth and live in other environments, then it will happen. The only things holding us back are technology and knowledge.

treknoir, listen to me, intelligent life such as ours hasn't been discovered yet, sure space is vast our own solar system goes on for millions of miles, but so far we are the real deal, we can speculate on many things, certain creatures on earth are claim to exist like a large sasquach, until it is DISCOVERED it remains a myth.

Yes, God did give us free will, but he never said anything about leaving Earth did he ?..God express his purpose for humanity when he said "Be fruitful and become many and fill the Earth."(Gen. 1:28) If we are suppose to be in space that's not the original plan of the creator.   

And yet we are supposed accept god as more than a myth even though there is no prove of his/her exsistance?

There is no mention of airplanes or man being able to fly, so wouldn't that be against gods plan?

No mention of automobiles, so cars are evil?

No mention of modern surgery techniques, indoor plumbing or the internet.

The Patriots crushed (literaly) Tim Tebow, so Tom Brady must be the anti-christ?

Well, if you need proof of God's creation look at the Universe, the Earth is perfect for life in everyway, people grow, learn,evolve and adapt.

and, no airplanes and cars are not evil, mankind is suppose to use his mind to create..If there were cars in Jesus time he I'm sure he would drivehad a car back..

I believe when the time is right, mankind will colonize space in some form,but first he have to cure Earths problems first, poverty and hunger is a start.   

Really? Just look around and see the proof? okay, but waht I see contradicts what is written so which am I to believe?

You said It was not in god's plan for us to leave the earth and yet you say you believe we will and the fact is we have. So are we going against god or not?

God's plan is for us to populate the Earth, it isen't God's plan for us to leave Earth but because of technology we have gone into space, technology is evolution, God wants us to learn and evolve but our first, priority should be Earth, once we fix humanity then we can explore space. 

God believes in evolution?

Science can not disprove the exsistance of god, however it can and has disproven biblical claims.

You seem to want it both ways, but it's either true or not.

The bible doesn't say anything about man leaving earth, but it doesn't say we shouldn't either. Go bakc to my example about automobiles. Now if it is okay to use that technology, why would it be not okay to use the technology that allows us to leave this planet?

If you really believe the bible, you would not say that something is against god's plan but then say he wants us to do it after we fix humanity. First, as a christian you should realize that man can not fix humanity. That's why Jesus had to come amongst us and then be sacrificed. That's FAIL #1 for you.Secondly, as a christian you should know that god doesn't change his mind, that's FAIL #2 for you.

You assert that if the bible doesn't say it then it's wrong or against god's plan, then you back down from that position. And what of other religeons and belief systems? They are just as convinced that theirs is the true path. Mythology is Mythology no matter the source.

 

Listen to me, you can't assume what the Bible says, READ what it say, READ what I say. FIRST- Yes God does believe Man should evolve, he gave us a brain to achieve alot and remember Adam and Eve were perfect, God had large plans for them, had they not sinned, who knows what the human race  would had evolve into, so yes God does what us to learn and grow..

SECOND-What facts biblical claims has science disproven ? 

THIRD- The Bible dosen't say nothing about not leaving Earth, God only said to Adam and Eve "BE FRUITFUL AND POPULATE THE EARTH" GEN.1:28. He said nothing about leaving the planet, he wants man to take care of his affairs on Earth and once he does when he's ready maybe he can venture in space

FOURTH- Can man fix humanity ? some of us believe God left us intructions on how to live and treat each other, The work is up to us but faith that a creator can guide us helps alot. ROM. 10:17

FIFTH- You mention Jesus sacrifice his life, Why would God send his Son to do this ? Wouldn't one of his apostles do ? What position did I back down from ? yes there are other religions, people  believe what they want..But for those who want to follow the Bible, Jesus leaves us intructions on how to worship God. (MATT.4:10)

 

 

I've read it.  Thoroughly.  Several times.

Disproven biblical claims?  The Great flood, Exodus, others.

To answer your previous response to me:

Yes, the Greeks and potentially the Egyptians (though this has yet to be clearly demonstrated) knew the world was spherical long before Galileo.  That doesn't answer the point that the Bible does not clearly state that the Earth is a sphere or the fact they used "circle of the Earth) and not "BALL of the Earth" when the Hebrews had a word for ball.

Beccs, Researchers have found evidence consistent with a world wide deluge  and stuydying the black Sea of Sinop, Researchers found indications that a catastrophic flood struck the area 7,000 years ago.


 


Actually no, there has been no evidence found of a global flood.  None.


But I will concede that they have found evidence of a catastrophic regional flood in the Black Sea region.  Note the important part: Regional.


 


This doesn't prove the bible story of Noah by any stretch of the imagination.

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>It blows my mind sometimes how people are so sure that the religion they follow is correct.I will admit that there is some good things in the bible(and some horrible things)but most of it is ridicules.To claim to know "gods plan" is pure arrogance. You don't even if this god fellow exist. Hell you dont even know if I exist and for that matter you don't even know if you exist. Nobody knows who or what god is(or even if such a being is real) If we are to discuss what mankinds destiny is then lets do that but lets leave ancient text written by men out of the loop. We will find no answers about our destiny in bronze age text(as I stated before) and we will find no scientific answers nor will we find any political answers. What u will find is a philosophy and that is it. The existance of god cannot be proven or disproven and it really doesn't really matter. What does matter is how we treat each other and if that's not enough for your god then to hell with him (yes I'm aware of the irony in that statement.) I do agree we need to make humanity our priority before we inflict the rest of the universe with our pressance though I don't think we will.if we do make it out there I'm sure any life forms we come across won't much like us and I'm willing to bet we won't much like them either(if they exist that is) As for colonizing, well thats what we do.

I'm sure I'm aware of my existence my friend, I personally believe God exist, If you don't, thats you, how do you think we can make humanity our priority when we don't believe in principles in which laws are built ? whether you believe in God or not there are laws and principles a society must meet in order to survive almost all wars were fought when people forget this, we could had a base on the moon right now just like that TV show Space 1999, why we don't have it yet ? GREED from powerful nations,you mention what does matter is how we treat each other ? look at the world, you tell me how thats going ?   

 


 


Yes, there are laws that societies require to function.  These don't come from any deity.  They come from our social evolution.  When our society consisted of simple hunter/gatherer groups they would have realised very early on that killing members of the tribe would have had detrimental repercussions for the entire tribe.

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>It blows my mind sometimes how people are so sure that the religion they follow is correct.I will admit that there is some good things in the bible(and some horrible things)but most of it is ridicules.To claim to know "gods plan" is pure arrogance. You don't even if this god fellow exist. Hell you dont even know if I exist and for that matter you don't even know if you exist. Nobody knows who or what god is(or even if such a being is real) If we are to discuss what mankinds destiny is then lets do that but lets leave ancient text written by men out of the loop. We will find no answers about our destiny in bronze age text(as I stated before) and we will find no scientific answers nor will we find any political answers. What u will find is a philosophy and that is it. The existance of god cannot be proven or disproven and it really doesn't really matter. What does matter is how we treat each other and if that's not enough for your god then to hell with him (yes I'm aware of the irony in that statement.) I do agree we need to make humanity our priority before we inflict the rest of the universe with our pressance though I don't think we will.if we do make it out there I'm sure any life forms we come across won't much like us and I'm willing to bet we won't much like them either(if they exist that is) As for colonizing, well thats what we do.

I'm sure I'm aware of my existence my friend, I personally believe God exist, If you don't, thats you, how do you think we can make humanity our priority when we don't believe in principles in which laws are built ? whether you believe in God or not there are laws and principles a society must meet in order to survive almost all wars were fought when people forget this, we could had a base on the moon right now just like that TV show Space 1999, why we don't have it yet ? GREED from powerful nations,you mention what does matter is how we treat each other ? look at the world, you tell me how thats going ?   

 

 

Yes, there are laws that societies require to function.  These don't come from any deity.  They come from our social evolution.  When our society consisted of simple hunter/gatherer groups they would have realised very early on that killing members of the tribe would have had detrimental repercussions for the entire tribe.


 


Also, the point about "almost all wars fought when people forgot this" ignored the basic truth that much of the bloodshed and conflict of our history has been over different sides believing their god myth was more correct than someone else's god myth and deciding they needed to be wiped off the face of the earth because of it. Christianity is still made up a divided sects that believe the others are wrong and aren't going to the same special heaven they are, and they even deny that others are actually True Christians.  Hate, fear, conflict have been and still are a cornerstone of organized religion.


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