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wissa

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Report this Jan. 31 2012, 7:47 pm

Jim listen to me.  You know that you do not hold some sort of monopoly on the truth.  There are many paths in life and everyone does not have to follow yours.  You know that.  You know that the people here are intelligent adults and will not be swayed by someone shaking their finger.  Stop being redicculous and pretending you have some special knowledge that isn't available to everyone else.


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Report this Jan. 31 2012, 7:50 pm

Im going to start a new religeon based on Quantum Realities. Every Friday night believers will gather to celebrate the idea that somewhere, in some other reality, life sucks less.


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Report this Jan. 31 2012, 8:39 pm

Quote: wissa @ Jan. 31 2012, 7:47 pm

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>Jim listen to me.  You know that you do not hold some sort of monopoly on the truth.  There are many paths in life and everyone does not have to follow yours.  You know that.  You know that the people here are intelligent adults and will not be swayed by someone shaking their finger.  Stop being redicculous and pretending you have some special knowledge that isn't available to everyone else.

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wissa, I'm not trying to "sway" anyone, but we can have have discussions, bring up concepts we believe in and debate, can't we, I won't force anyone to believe in God, but we can discuss possibilies can't we ?  

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Report this Jan. 31 2012, 8:45 pm

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 Stop it, beccs you know, that's not true Isaiah 40:22, it states "THE IS ONE DWELLING ABOVE THE CIRCLE OF EARTH.." YEARS before science discovered it was ROUND.

 

Wrong.  That quote would have some merit to the authors having knowledge that the earth was basically, though not accurately, a sphere IF it had said "the BALL of the Earth".  The ancient Hebrews did have a word for ball, which would have been more accurate.

The Greeks knew the Earth was a sphere.  One measured the circumference using sticks and shadows and managed to get the size within a few hundred metres.  Much more impressive than the desperate attempts by apologists to reinterpret their little book.

 

As an aside, our local predator is whining about me again on the only website it hasn't been banned from multiple times - the Mutt board.

 

Loser!


Right the Greeks knew, probably the Egyptians did too, fact is they knew it before Galileo did...


Inquiry- who's the predator and what is the "Mutt-board ?

DammitJim6200

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Report this Jan. 31 2012, 8:52 pm

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I've read the the Bible from Genesis to Revelations and no where does it state that humans are alone in the universe. The Bible's sole purpose is to educate mankind about His Will and how to maintain a relationship with Him. It is not a science text or a collection of all the knowledge in the universe.

As for your assertion about not finding anything else in space, do you TRULY understand the vast distances of space and our limited technology? Or as we believers like to point out, absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence. Humans haven't even fully catalogued all of the species on earth. There are vast stretches of the deep ocean we have no clue about.

Finally, the Bible clearly says God gave us free will. If we can find a way to successfully get off earth and live in other environments, then it will happen. The only things holding us back are technology and knowledge.

treknoir, listen to me, intelligent life such as ours hasn't been discovered yet, sure space is vast our own solar system goes on for millions of miles, but so far we are the real deal, we can speculate on many things, certain creatures on earth are claim to exist like a large sasquach, until it is DISCOVERED it remains a myth.

Yes, God did give us free will, but he never said anything about leaving Earth did he ?..God express his purpose for humanity when he said "Be fruitful and become many and fill the Earth."(Gen. 1:28) If we are suppose to be in space that's not the original plan of the creator.   

And yet we are supposed accept god as more than a myth even though there is no prove of his/her exsistance?

There is no mention of airplanes or man being able to fly, so wouldn't that be against gods plan?

No mention of automobiles, so cars are evil?

No mention of modern surgery techniques, indoor plumbing or the internet.

The Patriots crushed (literaly) Tim Tebow, so Tom Brady must be the anti-christ?


Well, if you need proof of God's creation look at the Universe, the Earth is perfect for life in everyway, people grow, learn,evolve and adapt.


and, no airplanes and cars are not evil, mankind is suppose to use his mind to create..If there were cars in Jesus time he I'm sure he would drivehad a car back..


I believe when the time is right, mankind will colonize space in some form,but first he have to cure Earths problems first, poverty and hunger is a start.   

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Report this Jan. 31 2012, 9:29 pm

Do you think man will colonize the outer planets in this century ?

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Report this Jan. 31 2012, 10:46 pm

Quote: DammitJim6200 @ Jan. 31 2012, 8:52 pm

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I've read the the Bible from Genesis to Revelations and no where does it state that humans are alone in the universe. The Bible's sole purpose is to educate mankind about His Will and how to maintain a relationship with Him. It is not a science text or a collection of all the knowledge in the universe.

As for your assertion about not finding anything else in space, do you TRULY understand the vast distances of space and our limited technology? Or as we believers like to point out, absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence. Humans haven't even fully catalogued all of the species on earth. There are vast stretches of the deep ocean we have no clue about.

Finally, the Bible clearly says God gave us free will. If we can find a way to successfully get off earth and live in other environments, then it will happen. The only things holding us back are technology and knowledge.

treknoir, listen to me, intelligent life such as ours hasn't been discovered yet, sure space is vast our own solar system goes on for millions of miles, but so far we are the real deal, we can speculate on many things, certain creatures on earth are claim to exist like a large sasquach, until it is DISCOVERED it remains a myth.

Yes, God did give us free will, but he never said anything about leaving Earth did he ?..God express his purpose for humanity when he said "Be fruitful and become many and fill the Earth."(Gen. 1:28) If we are suppose to be in space that's not the original plan of the creator.   

And yet we are supposed accept god as more than a myth even though there is no prove of his/her exsistance?

There is no mention of airplanes or man being able to fly, so wouldn't that be against gods plan?

No mention of automobiles, so cars are evil?

No mention of modern surgery techniques, indoor plumbing or the internet.

The Patriots crushed (literaly) Tim Tebow, so Tom Brady must be the anti-christ?

Well, if you need proof of God's creation look at the Universe, the Earth is perfect for life in everyway, people grow, learn,evolve and adapt.

and, no airplanes and cars are not evil, mankind is suppose to use his mind to create..If there were cars in Jesus time he I'm sure he would drivehad a car back..

I believe when the time is right, mankind will colonize space in some form,but first he have to cure Earths problems first, poverty and hunger is a start.   


Really? Just look around and see the proof? okay, but waht I see contradicts what is written so which am I to believe?


You said It was not in god's plan for us to leave the earth and yet you say you believe we will and the fact is we have. So are we going against god or not?


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DammitJim6200

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Report this Feb. 01 2012, 12:06 am

Quote: Beershark @ Jan. 31 2012, 10:46 pm

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I've read the the Bible from Genesis to Revelations and no where does it state that humans are alone in the universe. The Bible's sole purpose is to educate mankind about His Will and how to maintain a relationship with Him. It is not a science text or a collection of all the knowledge in the universe.

As for your assertion about not finding anything else in space, do you TRULY understand the vast distances of space and our limited technology? Or as we believers like to point out, absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence. Humans haven't even fully catalogued all of the species on earth. There are vast stretches of the deep ocean we have no clue about.

Finally, the Bible clearly says God gave us free will. If we can find a way to successfully get off earth and live in other environments, then it will happen. The only things holding us back are technology and knowledge.

treknoir, listen to me, intelligent life such as ours hasn't been discovered yet, sure space is vast our own solar system goes on for millions of miles, but so far we are the real deal, we can speculate on many things, certain creatures on earth are claim to exist like a large sasquach, until it is DISCOVERED it remains a myth.

Yes, God did give us free will, but he never said anything about leaving Earth did he ?..God express his purpose for humanity when he said "Be fruitful and become many and fill the Earth."(Gen. 1:28) If we are suppose to be in space that's not the original plan of the creator.   

And yet we are supposed accept god as more than a myth even though there is no prove of his/her exsistance?

There is no mention of airplanes or man being able to fly, so wouldn't that be against gods plan?

No mention of automobiles, so cars are evil?

No mention of modern surgery techniques, indoor plumbing or the internet.

The Patriots crushed (literaly) Tim Tebow, so Tom Brady must be the anti-christ?

Well, if you need proof of God's creation look at the Universe, the Earth is perfect for life in everyway, people grow, learn,evolve and adapt.

and, no airplanes and cars are not evil, mankind is suppose to use his mind to create..If there were cars in Jesus time he I'm sure he would drivehad a car back..

I believe when the time is right, mankind will colonize space in some form,but first he have to cure Earths problems first, poverty and hunger is a start.   

Really? Just look around and see the proof? okay, but waht I see contradicts what is written so which am I to believe?

You said It was not in god's plan for us to leave the earth and yet you say you believe we will and the fact is we have. So are we going against god or not?


God's plan is for us to populate the Earth, it isen't God's plan for us to leave Earth but because of technology we have gone into space, technology is evolution, God wants us to learn and evolve but our first, priority should be Earth, once we fix humanity then we can explore space. 

Beershark

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Report this Feb. 01 2012, 12:26 am

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I've read the the Bible from Genesis to Revelations and no where does it state that humans are alone in the universe. The Bible's sole purpose is to educate mankind about His Will and how to maintain a relationship with Him. It is not a science text or a collection of all the knowledge in the universe.

As for your assertion about not finding anything else in space, do you TRULY understand the vast distances of space and our limited technology? Or as we believers like to point out, absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence. Humans haven't even fully catalogued all of the species on earth. There are vast stretches of the deep ocean we have no clue about.

Finally, the Bible clearly says God gave us free will. If we can find a way to successfully get off earth and live in other environments, then it will happen. The only things holding us back are technology and knowledge.

treknoir, listen to me, intelligent life such as ours hasn't been discovered yet, sure space is vast our own solar system goes on for millions of miles, but so far we are the real deal, we can speculate on many things, certain creatures on earth are claim to exist like a large sasquach, until it is DISCOVERED it remains a myth.

Yes, God did give us free will, but he never said anything about leaving Earth did he ?..God express his purpose for humanity when he said "Be fruitful and become many and fill the Earth."(Gen. 1:28) If we are suppose to be in space that's not the original plan of the creator.   

And yet we are supposed accept god as more than a myth even though there is no prove of his/her exsistance?

There is no mention of airplanes or man being able to fly, so wouldn't that be against gods plan?

No mention of automobiles, so cars are evil?

No mention of modern surgery techniques, indoor plumbing or the internet.

The Patriots crushed (literaly) Tim Tebow, so Tom Brady must be the anti-christ?

Well, if you need proof of God's creation look at the Universe, the Earth is perfect for life in everyway, people grow, learn,evolve and adapt.

and, no airplanes and cars are not evil, mankind is suppose to use his mind to create..If there were cars in Jesus time he I'm sure he would drivehad a car back..

I believe when the time is right, mankind will colonize space in some form,but first he have to cure Earths problems first, poverty and hunger is a start.   

Really? Just look around and see the proof? okay, but waht I see contradicts what is written so which am I to believe?

You said It was not in god's plan for us to leave the earth and yet you say you believe we will and the fact is we have. So are we going against god or not?

God's plan is for us to populate the Earth, it isen't God's plan for us to leave Earth but because of technology we have gone into space, technology is evolution, God wants us to learn and evolve but our first, priority should be Earth, once we fix humanity then we can explore space. 


God believes in evolution?


Science can not disprove the exsistance of god, however it can and has disproven biblical claims.


You seem to want it both ways, but it's either true or not.


The bible doesn't say anything about man leaving earth, but it doesn't say we shouldn't either. Go bakc to my example about automobiles. Now if it is okay to use that technology, why would it be not okay to use the technology that allows us to leave this planet?


If you really believe the bible, you would not say that something is against god's plan but then say he wants us to do it after we fix humanity. First, as a christian you should realize that man can not fix humanity. That's why Jesus had to come amongst us and then be sacrificed. That's FAIL #1 for you.Secondly, as a christian you should know that god doesn't change his mind, that's FAIL #2 for you.


You assert that if the bible doesn't say it then it's wrong or against god's plan, then you back down from that position. And what of other religeons and belief systems? They are just as convinced that theirs is the true path. Mythology is Mythology no matter the source.


 


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Vulcan1981

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Report this Feb. 01 2012, 1:25 am

Mankind as a collective is ingorant, selfish, and self-destructive. Since mankind's inception, it has learned nothing from it's own history, we still fight and have wars over the same crap: religion, racism, classism, politics, sexism, slavery, mysoginy, homophobia, land, etc.  


It's obvious that mankind's destiny is to destroy itself. There's no place on this earth where everyone truly cares about one another without their own selfish intentions, etc. I'm surprised with all the WMDs we haven't wiped ourselves into extinction/oblivion already.


Tommy Lee Jones said it best in Men In Black: " A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow. "


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Beershark

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Report this Feb. 01 2012, 1:27 am

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>It's obvious that mankind's destiny is to destroy itself. There's no place on this earth where everyone truly cares about one another without their own selfish intentions, etc. I'm surprised with all the WMDs we haven't wiped ourselves into extinction/oblivion already.

>Tommy Lee Jones said it best in Men In Black: " A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow. "

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Report this Feb. 01 2012, 1:35 am

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I've read the the Bible from Genesis to Revelations and no where does it state that humans are alone in the universe. The Bible's sole purpose is to educate mankind about His Will and how to maintain a relationship with Him. It is not a science text or a collection of all the knowledge in the universe.

As for your assertion about not finding anything else in space, do you TRULY understand the vast distances of space and our limited technology? Or as we believers like to point out, absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence. Humans haven't even fully catalogued all of the species on earth. There are vast stretches of the deep ocean we have no clue about.

Finally, the Bible clearly says God gave us free will. If we can find a way to successfully get off earth and live in other environments, then it will happen. The only things holding us back are technology and knowledge.

treknoir, listen to me, intelligent life such as ours hasn't been discovered yet, sure space is vast our own solar system goes on for millions of miles, but so far we are the real deal, we can speculate on many things, certain creatures on earth are claim to exist like a large sasquach, until it is DISCOVERED it remains a myth.

Yes, God did give us free will, but he never said anything about leaving Earth did he ?..God express his purpose for humanity when he said "Be fruitful and become many and fill the Earth."(Gen. 1:28) If we are suppose to be in space that's not the original plan of the creator.   

And yet we are supposed accept god as more than a myth even though there is no prove of his/her exsistance?

There is no mention of airplanes or man being able to fly, so wouldn't that be against gods plan?

No mention of automobiles, so cars are evil?

No mention of modern surgery techniques, indoor plumbing or the internet.

The Patriots crushed (literaly) Tim Tebow, so Tom Brady must be the anti-christ?

Well, if you need proof of God's creation look at the Universe, the Earth is perfect for life in everyway, people grow, learn,evolve and adapt.

and, no airplanes and cars are not evil, mankind is suppose to use his mind to create..If there were cars in Jesus time he I'm sure he would drivehad a car back..

I believe when the time is right, mankind will colonize space in some form,but first he have to cure Earths problems first, poverty and hunger is a start.   

Really? Just look around and see the proof? okay, but waht I see contradicts what is written so which am I to believe?

You said It was not in god's plan for us to leave the earth and yet you say you believe we will and the fact is we have. So are we going against god or not?

God's plan is for us to populate the Earth, it isen't God's plan for us to leave Earth but because of technology we have gone into space, technology is evolution, God wants us to learn and evolve but our first, priority should be Earth, once we fix humanity then we can explore space. 

God believes in evolution?

Science can not disprove the exsistance of god, however it can and has disproven biblical claims.

You seem to want it both ways, but it's either true or not.

The bible doesn't say anything about man leaving earth, but it doesn't say we shouldn't either. Go bakc to my example about automobiles. Now if it is okay to use that technology, why would it be not okay to use the technology that allows us to leave this planet?

If you really believe the bible, you would not say that something is against god's plan but then say he wants us to do it after we fix humanity. First, as a christian you should realize that man can not fix humanity. That's why Jesus had to come amongst us and then be sacrificed. That's FAIL #1 for you.Secondly, as a christian you should know that god doesn't change his mind, that's FAIL #2 for you.

You assert that if the bible doesn't say it then it's wrong or against god's plan, then you back down from that position. And what of other religeons and belief systems? They are just as convinced that theirs is the true path. Mythology is Mythology no matter the source.

 


 


I would have to concur on all your points. All religions are in essence mythology because they all take at least some element of faith and not just proven, irrefutable facts. 


 


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CO_Fowler

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Report this Feb. 01 2012, 11:07 am

Not getting into an argument or taking sides, but just an FYI regarding the Bible.....it was written by man.  And there are times when man was writting parts to give them power over the people and population ( re: those of the Spanish Inquisition and the like )


Now, for myself, I do believe that there were instances of the stories of Jesus and others that had been told and passed down, but even those stories had to have changed some in the telling and changed some in the writting.  For proof of that one only has to look at the game of 'telegraph' ( aka 'telephone' )  All get into a line or circle and one person starts the game by whispering something to the next person and they in turn whisper what they heard into the next persons ear and so on it goes down the line.  The last person then repeates out loud what they heard and it is never the same as what the first person has said.  Someone may change a word or two or the message can get totally changed to where it doesn't even resemble what it started out as.


Man is falible (sp) and can ( and does ) make mistakes.  Some that have written/edited the Bible have changed passages to benifit themselves ( monks/priests that believe they know better or want power over others ) and will change or make rules for others to follow, but not themselves to follow.  I believe that is called temptation.  ANd power can, and does, corrupts.



That said, I myself do believe in God, but I do not follow the Bible as an absolute end all and be all since man did write it.  I try to be good to others, help others, not use God's name in vain, I do believe in the Golden Rule of 'do unto others as you would have done unto you' and I do believe in honoring my parents, not being greedy, I believe in being faithful to my spouse ( I also expect my spouse to be faithful to me ) I also believe in science since I believe that God gave us these brains and the ability to be curious of our surroundings and to grow beyond our current abilities.



Okay, I'm done.  Bash me, flame me or whatever.  This is my opinon and belief.  I will not push it onto others and all I ask is that others do not push their beliefs onto me.  Thanks!


Peace out!


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caltrek2

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Report this Feb. 01 2012, 5:29 pm

Just a few random thoughts:


*Part of the original Bible was written in Greek.


*I think ancient folks knew a lot more about nature and astronomy than we suppose. Sure, they didn't have photos from the Hubble, but they did track the apparent movement across the sky of stars, planets, etc.


*A lot of Christians insist on a very literal understanding of the Bible. I think that is a mistake. Even the proclamation of Jesus that He was the Son of God is very suspect to me. It is so close to eastern ideas of enlightenment. I wonder if it got garbled in translation, event in how the apostles understood it. Perhaps even Jesus himself was confused. At any rate, peak religious experiences can give the sort of philosophical insights that Jesus preached. That period of time was a point of great synthesis of ancient Judaic beliefs with Greek and Roman thought. It is no wonder to me that we struggle so hard to try and understand what folks from that era were trying to tell us.


*Christianity contains a lot of very powerful psychological truths, especially when properly understood.


*I supose there is a lot of truth to that bumper sticker: "It is not Christ I have a problem with, it is Christians".


  

DammitJim6200

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Report this Feb. 02 2012, 10:25 am

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I've read the the Bible from Genesis to Revelations and no where does it state that humans are alone in the universe. The Bible's sole purpose is to educate mankind about His Will and how to maintain a relationship with Him. It is not a science text or a collection of all the knowledge in the universe.

As for your assertion about not finding anything else in space, do you TRULY understand the vast distances of space and our limited technology? Or as we believers like to point out, absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence. Humans haven't even fully catalogued all of the species on earth. There are vast stretches of the deep ocean we have no clue about.

Finally, the Bible clearly says God gave us free will. If we can find a way to successfully get off earth and live in other environments, then it will happen. The only things holding us back are technology and knowledge.

treknoir, listen to me, intelligent life such as ours hasn't been discovered yet, sure space is vast our own solar system goes on for millions of miles, but so far we are the real deal, we can speculate on many things, certain creatures on earth are claim to exist like a large sasquach, until it is DISCOVERED it remains a myth.

Yes, God did give us free will, but he never said anything about leaving Earth did he ?..God express his purpose for humanity when he said "Be fruitful and become many and fill the Earth."(Gen. 1:28) If we are suppose to be in space that's not the original plan of the creator.   

And yet we are supposed accept god as more than a myth even though there is no prove of his/her exsistance?

There is no mention of airplanes or man being able to fly, so wouldn't that be against gods plan?

No mention of automobiles, so cars are evil?

No mention of modern surgery techniques, indoor plumbing or the internet.

The Patriots crushed (literaly) Tim Tebow, so Tom Brady must be the anti-christ?

Well, if you need proof of God's creation look at the Universe, the Earth is perfect for life in everyway, people grow, learn,evolve and adapt.

and, no airplanes and cars are not evil, mankind is suppose to use his mind to create..If there were cars in Jesus time he I'm sure he would drivehad a car back..

I believe when the time is right, mankind will colonize space in some form,but first he have to cure Earths problems first, poverty and hunger is a start.   

Really? Just look around and see the proof? okay, but waht I see contradicts what is written so which am I to believe?

You said It was not in god's plan for us to leave the earth and yet you say you believe we will and the fact is we have. So are we going against god or not?

God's plan is for us to populate the Earth, it isen't God's plan for us to leave Earth but because of technology we have gone into space, technology is evolution, God wants us to learn and evolve but our first, priority should be Earth, once we fix humanity then we can explore space. 

God believes in evolution?

Science can not disprove the exsistance of god, however it can and has disproven biblical claims.

You seem to want it both ways, but it's either true or not.

The bible doesn't say anything about man leaving earth, but it doesn't say we shouldn't either. Go bakc to my example about automobiles. Now if it is okay to use that technology, why would it be not okay to use the technology that allows us to leave this planet?

If you really believe the bible, you would not say that something is against god's plan but then say he wants us to do it after we fix humanity. First, as a christian you should realize that man can not fix humanity. That's why Jesus had to come amongst us and then be sacrificed. That's FAIL #1 for you.Secondly, as a christian you should know that god doesn't change his mind, that's FAIL #2 for you.

You assert that if the bible doesn't say it then it's wrong or against god's plan, then you back down from that position. And what of other religeons and belief systems? They are just as convinced that theirs is the true path. Mythology is Mythology no matter the source.

 


Listen to me, you can't assume what the Bible says, READ what it say, READ what I say. FIRST- Yes God does believe Man should evolve, he gave us a brain to achieve alot and remember Adam and Eve were perfect, God had large plans for them, had they not sinned, who knows what the human race  would had evolve into, so yes God does what us to learn and grow..


SECOND-What facts biblical claims has science disproven ? 


THIRD- The Bible dosen't say nothing about not leaving Earth, God only said to Adam and Eve "BE FRUITFUL AND POPULATE THE EARTH" GEN.1:28. He said nothing about leaving the planet, he wants man to take care of his affairs on Earth and once he does when he's ready maybe he can venture in space


FOURTH- Can man fix humanity ? some of us believe God left us intructions on how to live and treat each other, The work is up to us but faith that a creator can guide us helps alot. ROM. 10:17


FIFTH- You mention Jesus sacrifice his life, Why would God send his Son to do this ? Wouldn't one of his apostles do ? What position did I back down from ? yes there are other religions, people  believe what they want..But for those who want to follow the Bible, Jesus leaves us intructions on how to worship God. (MATT.4:10)


 

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