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Who would be a believable wife for Spock

padracin

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Report this Jan. 27 2012, 12:40 pm

With apologies to dear Capt. Saavik who posts so often to this site.


Canon establishes that Spock marries at some unspecified point in his life prior to the era of TNG.  The TOS movies establish that Saavik initates sexual contact with a mindless Spock undergoing pon farr on the genesis planet.  A disgarded script would have had that 'relationship' result in a pregnancy.


Next a series of novels were written by excellent writers who postulate a marriage later in life for Saavik and Spock.  This seems to be evolving into a convention because its carried through all the relaunch books by other authors. 


the writers were faced with a dilemma - it was established that Spock was married so they had two choices - either invent a new character for his wife or extrapolate from someone in his past. 


Spock/Saavik life companions paradigm never worked for me, and I suspect there are some other fans who feel the same way.  Why I think this way and speculation on other possibilities will be discussed in my next post to keep the length of this post reasonable.


 


 

Trekwolf164

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Report this Jan. 27 2012, 4:54 pm

Nurse Chapel


 


 


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padracin

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Report this Jan. 27 2012, 6:01 pm

In TOS the following was established about Spock:  he was susceptible to pon farr but at a later age than full vulcans and enduring it without mating was not fatal to him, probably because he was hybrid, but he could also mate outside of that cycle due to personal attraction; he had at least one past relationship that he didn't want rekindled; he was made uncomfortable by being the cause of unrequited love (christine).


He could have strong attraction to women he admired and respected such as the Romulan commander and Zarabeth, and even the lady from the cloud city.  He even seemed to have a small moment of affinity with Gem the empath. All these women were roughly his contemporaries in age and all were his equals.


These factprs needed to be the basis of creating a character who's going to be a potential spouse.


 


 

Trekwolf164

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Report this Jan. 27 2012, 6:07 pm

I still say Christine during TOS he was portraying the Uber Vulcan but after his encounter with V-Ger he mellowed and would see the logic in a relationship with Chapel.


 


 


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Report this Jan. 27 2012, 6:10 pm

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>I too dislike the Spock/Saavik scenario because in TWOK Spock acts as a sort of father-figure to Saavik and calls her SAAVIKAM which I have been led to believe is some sort of parent-child endearment.

>Yes and the novels go all over the place in giving Saavik a background - is she 10 or 8 or 14 when Spock finds her?  Does he raise her, or does he give her to Sarek and Amanda to raise?

>Also there was the close relationship between Saavik and David in TSFS and Spock is much older.

>Also true.  Additionally Saavik struggles to show any character or personality or motivation.  she's entered Starfleet to get 'daddy's' approval.  The character isn't helped by the vastly different interpretations of the two different actresses who played her.  But overwhelmingly the problem is -- Saavik isn't Spock's equal.

>My favourite is the Romulan Commander Spock seduced in 'The Enterprise Incident'. They look about the same age, have the same lifespans, could be the reasons Spock ventures to Romulus and they seem to like each other.

>With all those factors, and the fact that Spock was heading out to the empire on his private mission,  a plausible scenario could be built where Spock and the Romulan Commander reencounter each other later in life.  Their life philosophies may each have developed to the point where they could be compatible in a life union.

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Report this Jan. 27 2012, 6:11 pm

I feel they should introduce a whole new character as a possible spouse for Spock.


 I can think of no one already established that he would want to be around indefinitely.


 It would also be interesting to see what they(the producers) would come up with.


The new movie is great,but the Uhura-Spock relationship just doesn't set well with me. B


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Report this Jan. 27 2012, 6:15 pm

Quote: Trekwolf164 @ Jan. 27 2012, 6:07 pm

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>I still say Christine during TOS he was portraying the Uber Vulcan but after his encounter with V-Ger he mellowed and would see the logic in a relationship with Chapel.

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That's a very good point.  Although it seemed by then that she was less interested in him!  However that point of his life would be precisely one of those life altering stages where a person would be ready to take on a serious relationship.

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Report this Jan. 27 2012, 6:15 pm

Quote: padracin @ Jan. 27 2012, 6:10 pm

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>I too dislike the Spock/Saavik scenario because in TWOK Spock acts as a sort of father-figure to Saavik and calls her SAAVIKAM which I have been led to believe is some sort of parent-child endearment.

>Yes and the novels go all over the place in giving Saavik a background - is she 10 or 8 or 14 when Spock finds her?  Does he raise her, or does he give her to Sarek and Amanda to raise?

>Also there was the close relationship between Saavik and David in TSFS and Spock is much older.

>Also true.  Additionally Saavik struggles to show any character or personality or motivation.  she's entered Starfleet to get 'daddy's' approval.  The character isn't helped by the vastly different interpretations of the two different actresses who played her.  But overwhelmingly the problem is -- Saavik isn't Spock's equal.

>My favourite is the Romulan Commander Spock seduced in 'The Enterprise Incident'. They look about the same age, have the same lifespans, could be the reasons Spock ventures to Romulus and they seem to like each other.

>With all those factors, and the fact that Spock was heading out to the empire on his private mission,  a plausible scenario could be built where Spock and the Romulan Commander reencounter each other later in life.  Their life philosophies may each have developed to the point where they could be compatible in a life union.

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Spock used abused and destroyed the Romulan commander she would drink acid before becoming his bride.


 


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Report this Jan. 27 2012, 6:22 pm

Quote: oreed12 @ Jan. 27 2012, 6:11 pm

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>I feel they should introduce a whole new character as a possible spouse for Spock.

> I can think of no one already established the he would want to be around indefinitely.

> It would also be interesting to see what they(the producers) would come up with.

>The new movie is great,but the Uhura-Spock relationship just doesn't set well with me. B

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I thought their relationship was a little too adolescent no matter what your species is.  although the idea of a past Spock/Uhura relationship makes sense and was hinted at in TOS.


I agree with the idea of a totally new character.  A talented actess like Joanne Linville or Mariette Hartley could establish their believeable characters in one episode of TOS - but they had the whole episode to do it in.  It would be a lot harder to do in the limited time an action based movie could give to the relationship.


What I really wish was that the books would come up with a new character.


 

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Report this Jan. 27 2012, 6:24 pm

I think Spock was impressed by the Romlulan commander,but would not consider her as a possible mate.Thier idics were too opposing. B

oreed12

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Report this Jan. 27 2012, 6:28 pm

Now that you mention it. Mariette Hartley as a new character could have possibilites,as well as a familiar face.

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Report this Jan. 27 2012, 6:33 pm

Quote: Trekwolf164 @ Jan. 27 2012, 6:15 pm

>Spock used abused and destroyed the Romulan commander she would drink acid before becoming his bride.

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Spock used the commander to get miliatry information in a critical military situation and undoubtedly damaged her career.  Whether the damage to her career was sufficient that she would 'take the final honor' doesnt' seem to be the case because she shows up in some books later.


It's a reasonable position to think that her fury would be permanent and unrelenting.  On the other hand I can understand why some posters felt that the passage of time there could still be a future for those two.  After all, she probably did a few things she regretted on the way to making commander!


 


 


 

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Report this Jan. 27 2012, 6:34 pm


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Report this Jan. 27 2012, 6:40 pm

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>iI have used as the basis for this concept that supposition that, as Spock became more and more at peace with his human half, his eventual collision with the irresistable charmer, Suzanne, was all but inevitable...espescially given his father's documented penchant for human women.

>I know of at least one Trek fan who is just crazy about the idea!

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Absolutely Truespock, the right human character could be quite believable as well a making scores of fans happy.   Amanda was the pivotal female figure in Spock's life.  As I've noted before, its established in TOS that Spock is attracted to women he admires.

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Report this Jan. 28 2012, 6:31 am

Quote: Trekwolf164 @ Jan. 27 2012, 4:54 pm

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>Nurse Chapel

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Majel was at her most beautiful in that episode!

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