ATTENTION: The Boards will be closed permanently on May 28th, 2014. Posting will be disabled on April 28th, 2014. More Info

Most ineffectual villain in Star Trek

Report this
Created by: OtakuJo

PeepsMcJuggs

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 409

Report this Jan. 23 2012, 11:55 pm

Quote: NextGenVoy @ Jan. 23 2012, 10:22 pm

>

>You've got a point there! I always thought it was absurd how that happened. And they certainly wasted Sela as a character. They really could have used her to much better effect. 

>


That's because they didn't want her character.  Commander Sela was Denise Crosby's idea for getting Denise Crosby back in the show.  I can't say I blame her for bailing on Tasha, because her character development was all over the place (she was way too unhinged to be the flagship's chief of security)...but my God: if you're gonna leave, stay gone.


I forgot to mention that in trying to destabilize the alliance, she actually strengthened it.


I Borg'd yo mama last night. She found it very assimilating.

Beershark

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 2590

Report this Jan. 24 2012, 1:41 am

I voted other, for those stupid cat like people in one of the animated episodes. The ones with the pink ships.


CORPORATIONS AREN'T PEOPLE! Soylent Green is people.

guillermo.mejía

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 2852

Report this Jan. 24 2012, 7:10 am

Quote: Beershark @ Jan. 24 2012, 1:41 am

>

>I voted other, for those stupid cat like people in one of the animated episodes. The ones with the pink ships.

>
Those would the the Kzin. You know those are some inaffective villians when Earth beat them 4 times, starting 200 years before the epsiode takes place, putting the first Earth/Kzin war or battle or whatever in the 2060s. War-torn and ravaged by WWIII, we still beat them.


And my gawd, I didn't remember the pakleds! "We are strong." They were worse than those kids with the fist pump in "And The Children Shall Lead" from TOS.


"Aye. And if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon." - Scotty, The Miracle Worker since 2265.

CO_Fowler

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 5508

Report this Jan. 24 2012, 9:32 am

Quote: PeepsMcJuggs @ Jan. 23 2012, 11:55 pm

Quote: NextGenVoy @ Jan. 23 2012, 10:22 pm

>

>

>You've got a point there! I always thought it was absurd how that happened. And they certainly wasted Sela as a character. They really could have used her to much better effect. 

>

That's because they didn't want her character.  Commander Sela was Denise Crosby's idea for getting Denise Crosby back in the show.  I can't say I blame her for bailing on Tasha, because her character development was all over the place (she was way too unhinged to be the flagship's chief of security)...but my God: if you're gonna leave, stay gone.

I forgot to mention that in trying to destabilize the alliance, she actually strengthened it.


 


I agree with you on Sela.  They use her much better in the books, IMHO.  But in the show, Sela just wasn't really that bad of a baddie.  They had the potential, but dropped the ball there.  Sela could have been way more badarse than they had her.


R.I.P. My sweet Casey Bug. Mommy will see you again one day :`o( 18DEC01-24SEP11 / "Don't try to win over the haters. You're not the jackass whisperer."~Scott Stratten /It's a lot like nuts and bolts-if the rider's nuts, the horse bolts! ~Nicholas Evans /IDIC-Infinite Diversity Infinite Combination/Sgt Esterhaus: Hey, let's be careful out there!/4000/ To succeed in life, you need three things: a wishbone, a backbone and a funnybone

cowgirlcadet

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 788

Report this Jan. 24 2012, 2:57 pm

Harry Mudd! He's a pain in the butt, yeah, but I'm not sure he even really qualifies as a villain.

OtakuJo

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 16362

Report this Jan. 24 2012, 6:39 pm

^ I acknowledge that I possibly should have said "ANTAGONIST" rather than "VILLAIN"


Have you ever danced with a Tribble in the pale moonlight?

GulMatan

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 1291

Report this Jan. 24 2012, 6:43 pm

Quote: OtakuJo @ Jan. 23 2012, 2:41 pm

Quote: guillermo.mejía @ Jan. 23 2012, 7:05 am

Quote: OtakuJo @ Jan. 22 2012, 7:44 pm

>

>

>

>Ferengi took over Enterprise in Rascals.

>
Hippies have taken over an Enterprise. Hippies!!! Taking over a ship named Enterprise shouldn't be a requisite for being an outstanding bad guy in my book.

I'm loving the fact that the Ferengi are winning this poll. I can imagine Quark doing his best Charlie Sheen: "Duh, Winning!"

If only there were some profit to be gained by their win. But at least this shows they can win at something.

Point taken re. Space hippies.

How about Martus Mazur (from Rivals)? Prince Humperdink was a much better villain, and he lost out to Quark as well.


I would not say such things if I were you!!!!!


Trekkie -- I am not a Trekker!

OtakuJo

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 16362

Report this Jan. 26 2012, 4:24 am

^ hehe


 


re Sela: I was thinking about whether she was any good, and yeah there's definitely an element of lameness about her. I think the idea of Sela was good, on paper -- her whole backstory and everything. I can see how if you read it in summary form it might be interesting. In practice, however, something about her just never quite worked.


I suppose it must have been all those failures.


Have you ever danced with a Tribble in the pale moonlight?

Mugatu_for_Two

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 129

Report this Jan. 26 2012, 9:25 am

I think Sela had the potential to be a pretty decent Trek villain - if they had done an episode focusing on her. As it was she was crammed into two very big episodes with a lot going on, diminishing her impact. She was ok in "Redemption" and useless in "Unification" plus she had to go up against the death of Sarek and the return of Spock.

GulMatan

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 1291

Report this Jan. 26 2012, 11:37 am

Quote: Mugatu_for_Two @ Jan. 26 2012, 9:25 am

>

>I think Sela had the potential to be a pretty decent Trek villain - if they had done an episode focusing on her. As it was she was crammed into two very big episodes with a lot going on, diminishing her impact. She was ok in "Redemption" and useless in "Unification" plus she had to go up against the death of Sarek and the return of Spock.

>
I would refer to Sela's role in 'Unification' as significant with respect to the entire underlying plot of the ep.  Yes, there was quite a plethora of plots & sub-plot elements here, especially the Galondon Core connection & Riker's investigation (i.e. the piano/Ferengi scene).  Although some of the subplots could have been abbreviated, I think Sela's part was significant AND dramatic enough to make an impact.


Trekkie -- I am not a Trekker!

Ghostmojo

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 1826

Report this Jan. 27 2012, 1:03 am

I've never heard of The Circle.


The Ferengi weren't really villains - rogues and rabscallions perhaps. Quark was more like the Arfur Daley or Del-boy Trotter of DS9 - but he wasn't a baddy as such.

guillermo.mejía

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 2852

Report this Jan. 27 2012, 9:00 am

Quote: Ghostmojo @ Jan. 27 2012, 1:03 am

>

>I've never heard of The Circle.

>The Ferengi weren't really villains - rogues and rabscallions perhaps. Quark was more like the Arfur Daley or Del-boy Trotter of DS9 - but he wasn't a baddy as such.

>
Modern Ferengi are like that, but when GR first concieved them, they were suppose to be TNG's substitute for Klingons.


"Aye. And if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon." - Scotty, The Miracle Worker since 2265.

PeepsMcJuggs

GROUP: Members

POSTS: 409

Report this Jan. 27 2012, 10:44 am

Quote: Ghostmojo @ Jan. 27 2012, 1:03 am

>

>I've never heard of The Circle.

>


Think Bajor's version of Terra Prime: xenophobic terrorist organization that believed in Bajor for the Bajorans. 


I Borg'd yo mama last night. She found it very assimilating.

Forum Permissions

You cannot post new topics in this forum

You cannot reply to topics in this forum

You cannot delete posts in this forum