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CloudMinder2

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Report this Jan. 26 2012, 4:14 am

yes, i'm with that - it's 'canon as far as i'm concerned - original characters, GR involvement etc, scenarios relted to TOS episodes - good enough for me - and as stated TOS could contradict itself anyway so there you go


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CaptainBobApril

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Report this Jan. 26 2012, 10:14 am

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Jan. 24 2012, 7:47 pm

Quote: guillermo.mejía @ Jan. 23 2012, 7:19 am

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Jan. 22 2012, 3:23 pm

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Why not?

Gene Ronddenberry and Paramount said so. Plus there's stuff in it that's difficult to corralate with what IS accepted as canon, like the Bonaventure class, the Earth-Kzin Wars, and some stuff Robert April's wife said.

I dig the graph, I really do. It's my new laptop background. I specially like that for the JJ Enterprise, you did it in the scale it should be, and the scale JJ wants it to be. It's ridiculous to see it larger than the Ent-D, and yet that's what JJ wants.

From what I understood, it was created in association with Paramount and Roddenberry was an executive producer.  Also, writers of TOS wrote for TAS.

Even the Okudas include Robert April as the first captain of the Enterprise in the "Star Trek Chronology".

What it sounds like is that depending on the year, it was canon or not canon...

For me.... Robert April will always be the first captain of the USS Enterprise / NCC-1701.


And thank you for your support.


Seriously, TAS was put on the shelf for at ime for legal reasons, i.e, Filmation was shutting down and having to deal with all the licensed properties it had in its catalog, including Star Trek (remember, Paramount didn't produce it, they only distributed it).  So, until the legal issues of who owned the property and how much Paramount would have to shell out to finalize that bit of legaleze, TAS was off limits.


Of course, they couldn't admit this publicly, lest it screw up the negotiations, as well as forcing Roddenberry and Paramount to admit that there was a set of 22 professionally produced Star Trek episodes that they didn't have a claim to.


By 1991, all the issues were resolved, Paramount now owns the property, Gene Roddenberry's estate gets its cut, and it's around that time that clear TAS references started cropping up on DS9 and Voyager.


In other words, TAS is now a part of the official canon.  Deal with it.


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guillermo.mejía

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Report this Jan. 26 2012, 11:41 am

I don't have to deal with it. Just because it is an officially produced epsiode of star trek, does not make it canon. Take the first pilot. It was produced, and validated by The Managerie Parts I and II but the pilot itself is not canon, specially since the real ending is that Pike ended up with the Telosians 13 years after the events...so there was no fake illusion Pike like in the end of the original episode.


Not trying to start a debate, just that when someone says 'deal with it' i get testy.


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FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Jan. 26 2012, 12:17 pm

Quote: CaptainBobApril @ Jan. 26 2012, 10:14 am

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Jan. 24 2012, 7:47 pm

Quote: guillermo.mejía @ Jan. 23 2012, 7:19 am

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Jan. 22 2012, 3:23 pm

Quote: /view_profile/ @

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>TAS isn't canon.

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Why not?

Gene Ronddenberry and Paramount said so. Plus there's stuff in it that's difficult to corralate with what IS accepted as canon, like the Bonaventure class, the Earth-Kzin Wars, and some stuff Robert April's wife said.

I dig the graph, I really do. It's my new laptop background. I specially like that for the JJ Enterprise, you did it in the scale it should be, and the scale JJ wants it to be. It's ridiculous to see it larger than the Ent-D, and yet that's what JJ wants.

From what I understood, it was created in association with Paramount and Roddenberry was an executive producer.  Also, writers of TOS wrote for TAS.

Even the Okudas include Robert April as the first captain of the Enterprise in the "Star Trek Chronology".

What it sounds like is that depending on the year, it was canon or not canon...

For me.... Robert April will always be the first captain of the USS Enterprise / NCC-1701.

And thank you for your support.

Seriously, TAS was put on the shelf for at ime for legal reasons, i.e, Filmation was shutting down and having to deal with all the licensed properties it had in its catalog, including Star Trek (remember, Paramount didn't produce it, they only distributed it).  So, until the legal issues of who owned the property and how much Paramount would have to shell out to finalize that bit of legaleze, TAS was off limits.

Of course, they couldn't admit this publicly, lest it screw up the negotiations, as well as forcing Roddenberry and Paramount to admit that there was a set of 22 professionally produced Star Trek episodes that they didn't have a claim to.

By 1991, all the issues were resolved, Paramount now owns the property, Gene Roddenberry's estate gets its cut, and it's around that time that clear TAS references started cropping up on DS9 and Voyager.

In other words, TAS is now a part of the official canon.  Deal with it.

Something else that I found out - when Roddenberry was putting Star Trek together, he posed in uniform as April.



___Lucifer___

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Report this Jan. 26 2012, 1:50 pm

The only official Star Trek canon consists of the live action televised series (TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT) and motion pictures (including 2009 Star Trek). Period. Anything else is non-canon and speculation.


Back on topic, beautiful image.


tribblenator999

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Report this Jan. 28 2012, 8:20 am

The Enterprise-J is that big???

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