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Jan. 20 2012, 7:52 am
Thanks that's interesting, particularly for someone like me who's not followed all the different series very closely
i'm assuming you've drawn them to scale? if so, i hadn't realised the ships get a lot bigger
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Jan. 20 2012, 9:47 am
Wasn't Robert April the first Captain of NCC-1701?
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Jan. 20 2012, 3:42 pm
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>Wasn't Robert April the first Captain of NCC-1701?
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Nope, not based on Paramount's definition of "canon," anyway.
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Jan. 20 2012, 4:08 pm
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>Wasn't Robert April the first Captain of NCC-1701?
>Nice job BTW.
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Nope, not based on Paramount's definition of "canon," anyway.
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But if we go back to TAS (which is "canon", he is mentioned as the first Captain of the Enterprise....
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Jan. 21 2012, 7:24 am
I'm don't think TAS is canon. But nice job on the chart.
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Jan. 22 2012, 5:52 am
I decided captains by what we'd seen the most onscreen. For the most part, the JJprise was captained by Pike, with Kirk getting the ship at the end of the film. The TOS Enterprise is well known for having Kirk as it's prime captain (This can get confusing as that ship has had April, Pike, Kirk, Decker and Spock as its captain).
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Jan. 22 2012, 12:56 pm
I don't recall Robert April. Surely Suricata you picked with the Enterprise - B the right one. Awesome job with the NCC 1701 - J and the refit of the NX.
For the matter of STO I'm not around anymore since or maybe before Cryptic announced the NCC 1701 - F.
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Jan. 22 2012, 3:23 pm
Why not?
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Jan. 23 2012, 7:19 am
Gene Ronddenberry and Paramount said so. Plus there's stuff in it that's difficult to corralate with what IS accepted as canon, like the Bonaventure class, the Earth-Kzin Wars, and some stuff Robert April's wife said.
I dig the graph, I really do. It's my new laptop background. I specially like that for the JJ Enterprise, you did it in the scale it should be, and the scale JJ wants it to be. It's ridiculous to see it larger than the Ent-D, and yet that's what JJ wants. |
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Jan. 24 2012, 7:34 pm
I've heard it mentioned the the J.J. Abrams Enterprise was so much bigger, the you could almose park the Constitution class in its shuttle bay.
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Jan. 24 2012, 7:47 pm
Quote: guillermo.mejía @ Jan. 23 2012, 7:19 am | Gene Ronddenberry and Paramount said so. Plus there's stuff in it that's difficult to corralate with what IS accepted as canon, like the Bonaventure class, the Earth-Kzin Wars, and some stuff Robert April's wife said.
I dig the graph, I really do. It's my new laptop background. I specially like that for the JJ Enterprise, you did it in the scale it should be, and the scale JJ wants it to be. It's ridiculous to see it larger than the Ent-D, and yet that's what JJ wants.
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From what I understood, it was created in association with Paramount and Roddenberry was an executive producer. Also, writers of TOS wrote for TAS.
Even the Okudas include Robert April as the first captain of the Enterprise in the "Star Trek Chronology".
What it sounds like is that depending on the year, it was canon or not canon...
For me.... Robert April will always be the first captain of the USS Enterprise / NCC-1701.
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Jan. 25 2012, 7:21 am
Quote: /view_profile/ @ | Quote: /view_profile/ @ | Quote: /view_profile/ @ | Gene Ronddenberry and Paramount said so. Plus there's stuff in it that's difficult to corralate with what IS accepted as canon, like the Bonaventure class, the Earth-Kzin Wars, and some stuff Robert April's wife said.
I dig the graph, I really do. It's my new laptop background. I specially like that for the JJ Enterprise, you did it in the scale it should be, and the scale JJ wants it to be. It's ridiculous to see it larger than the Ent-D, and yet that's what JJ wants.
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From what I understood, it was created in association with Paramount and Roddenberry was an executive producer. Also, writers of TOS wrote for TAS.
Even the Okudas include Robert April as the first captain of the Enterprise in the "Star Trek Chronology".
What it sounds like is that depending on the year, it was canon or not canon...
For me.... Robert April will always be the first captain of the USS Enterprise / NCC-1701.
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Even what the Okuda's write isn't necessarily canon.
I have heard (on here) that the only things in Star Trek that are canon are what is seen on-screen in live-action (no animation).
Not even Rodenberry's TMP novelisation is canon.
Apparently GR had a snit over something someone did and declared TAS to be non-canon even though he was involved in it and his wife starred in it.
He also wanted (apparently) to decanonise STV and any part of TOS that contradicted anything that happened in TNG. I think TPTB didn't let it go that far.
That's not to say that Robert April wasn't the first captain of the Enterprise as nothing in canon contradicts it.
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Correct. GR DID help produce TAS but later on regreted it. If you saw Trek Nation recently, it's explained that Gene was sure TAS would be the last Trek ever made, so he never worried to much about the stories, other than making sure they felt like Trek stories. He also had another fit about the Barrier and how easily it's reached and crossed FOUR times in the movie even though it's soppuse to be the most impossible thing to do.
Also it's true that there's no contradiction in canon that states that Robert April didn't command the Enterprise at some point. It's just that his wife makes claims about being the first CMO on a starship, and we know that can't be because CMOs existed since Phlox was around.
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Jan. 25 2012, 8:29 am
Nice picture.
As for the TAS and canon debate, what does it matter I mean TOS contradicts itself in a matter of a few episodes (not to mention how ENT totally rewrote things and it IS "official" as they say). So to anyone who wants TAS as canon then go ahead and take it, who cares what is "official".
Are you sure it isn't time for a colorful metaphor?
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Jan. 25 2012, 8:53 am
^ Canon or not, it's never stopped me from watching it. I enjoy them just the same. So I'm with you.
(Except for the Kzinti episode. That one I only sligthtly enjoy)
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