Star Trek

Well said ServalanFan.  The new stuff has the heart of Star Trek but the people involved don't understand the soul of Star Trek.

It's good to see you return truespock!

You appeared here several months ago posting something very similar and then disappeared almost immediately afterwards ...

In any event I agree with you ... both times

Nice points! I especially like the fifth paragraph; it's incredibly true. This is the exact reason why Spock is my favorite character!

I'd ignore them man. Every site has them. I think a few of us (myself included) would see you as a kindred spirit because of the depth and thought you show in your posts. Some members here like to explore subjects with that kind of exactitude but many don't. Each to his own I suppose.

I personally like the in depth rambles. I have started a few myself but you rarely get many takers. It is probably the older posters here who indulge in such contemplation - longing as we do for a past that is escaping us. For me there is a considerable degree of layering of construction in Star Trek - particularly TOS, otherwise how would it have lasted so long - and why would TOS have so many more threads and responses on this site than any of its successors?

Regarding Spock you might like to read a couple of my own threads from the past:

http://www.startrek.com/boards-topic/33347971/mr-spock

http://www.startrek.com/boards-topic/33346553/spock-1

I'm not suggesting that you continue them (some of them are locked anyway) but you may find them interesting. It is not a shameless plug on my part - just a desire to share some of the deeper, more thoughtful subjects of my own with any who like that kind of analytical process. There are quite a few others here too who have tried such an approach.

Here are a few more in depth subjects I attempted to start with variable results:

http://www.startrek.com/boards-topic/33348284/the-two-pilots

http://www.startrek.com/boards-topic/33348843/trek-family

http://www.startrek.com/boards-topic/33348550/the-magnificent-seven

http://www.startrek.com/boards-topic/33345325/star-trek-phase-ii

http://www.startrek.com/boards-topic/33349882/star-trek-fact-or-fiction

http://www.startrek.com/boards-topic/33348738/your-own-first-trek

http://www.startrek.com/boards-topic/33348482/why-star-trek-tos-will-always-be-the-best

http://www.startrek.com/boards-topic/33347860/star-trek-the-wrath-of-cawley

http://www.startrek.com/boards-topic/33347757/new-series-ideas

.. the simple fact that he can't be killed.

I forgot to mention the fact that he is totally straight. When he relaxes his Vulcan training and discipline - he is as heterosexually randy as the next guy - despite what others might like to suggest ...

He Is Who He Is. Enough Said.

While I don't rank Spock among my personal favourite characters (at least Romulans are honest about their arrogance!) I do like him as a complex character. Generally I can take him or leave him, to be honest.

Leonard Nimoy has that talent (similar to Michael Dorn I think) of saying something at just the right time, and sound like it was supposed to be serious, yet somehow come out with something particularly funny.

Something I noticed primarily from watching the movies, especially Voyage Home and the campfire scene from Undiscovered Country. The mark of a good actor (and character, for that matter) is often in their interaction with others.

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I've never thought of him as 'randy'.

Heterosexual most probably but randy?

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Most probably? Ask Zarabeth or Leila Kalomi Or even T'Pring (he wasn't betrothed to Stonn after all!)

He does sometimes come across as being arrogant - but then so do all Vulcans. It is in their nature to be blunt and confident in their assertions about facts they postulate. To them it is merely the conveying of factual information. Nothing more, nothing less. There is no desire to gloat or point score. To humans it can of course come across as arrogant. But it is of course always the humans who are supposed to be missing the point. That is part of the fun with characters like Spock (or any Vulcan).

Therefore the truth is that Vulcans are never arrogant - it is just humans who think they are, by never learning any lessons and always trying to apply human norms and concepts to other humanoid beings' behaviour!

Vulcans - 1  /  Terrans - 0 

So we all make minor errors on occasion. FYI I'm not debating anything but merely interpreting also from my own point of view. I never once said that Spock was found wanting compared to Worf -- that's completely off the mark. But I'm done with all this backpedalling. I've tried my best to be respectful and all, but seriously, stop being so overly bloody sensitive. Or are you going to view everything that is not stroking your ego as a personal affront?

ach-- what's the frackin point?

You're welcome I'm sure.

Allow me to respond with a simple truth.

I said scarcely a word against Spock -- if you would actually read and comprehend anything that I wrote, you would understand that.

Here's another.

The reason that people have turned against you before, in places like Ten Forward here, is that you take offense at just about everything. And frankly, it's tiresome.

So I can read between the lines. Yes. Ego. I dare you to try to deny it. And inevitably fail. Your words speak for themselves.

Fare thee well.

Well if you're bored then there are plenty of other things to do with your time. You've indicated it yourself plenty of times already.

It's everything about him the sureness of his steps and his faith in his logic no matter the reprocutions (as displayed in wrath of Khan). And even as he knows his limits he doesn't except them right away until he has proven through his own experiments that they are correct. The aura of confidence in his voice and stance and most importantly the fierce and sculpted mind that is constanly working on the universe's problems just as much of his own problems.

I agree.  The best aspects of Spok are his intelligence and ability to completely keep his cool in true Vulcan fashion.  He's one of my all-time favorites.