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Kirk/Spock This Simple Feeling

denise.dion2

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Report this Jan. 25 2012, 7:17 pm

                                                                   I Can Love Thee


Art by: Racionn



 Pain slicing my brain in two.


 


Chaotic images leeching my reserves of sanity.


 


Where has my precious logic gone?


 


Alone in the cold recesses of my mind.


 


Black darkness ahead of me with no light in sight.


 


My twisted gut makes me scream in agony.


 


Where has my precious logic gone?


 


Slipping more and more in a maelstrom of confused thoughts.


 


Blood drains from my naked face.


 


Euphoric sensations slowly fill my once saddened soul.


 


My lungs breathe in the scent of life.


 


Colors surround me and lift me to such delights.


 


No longer care where my logic has gone.


 


So this is happiness.


 


Once alone and never like you.


 


Freedom reigns over my body and soul.


 


I can love thee.


 


 


 



 


 



 


 



 


 



 





I have been, and always shall be yours.

Ghostmojo

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Report this Jan. 26 2012, 2:53 am

Quote: denise.dion2 @ Jan. 25 2012, 6:19 pm

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>I am not into femme slash. That does not interest me in the slightest..but please go ahead and write something..maybe someone will read it....and as for threesome action...who knows, if you keep pestering me, I WILL ADD McCoy in the mix....

>


With the greatest respect, when you first appeared here and started posting this stuff - the thread said poetry. It still does. It didn't say pseudo-homoerotic material likely to cause offence. OK, so you've got the Kirk/Spock words with the all-important ' / ' (slash) there, and now some of us are better informed we can see what it is about. Initially quite a few people did take offence and then you stepped back a bit in response. But it seems to me that you are just back to your old tricks again.


Add McCoy. Add Scott, Sulu, Chekov and whoever else you like to this rambling pointless drivel - but it won't make it any better. This is just some kind of self-indulgent ego-trip for you. Nobody else is joining in (accept in mockery). Surely, you could start your own blog or web site where this stuff can find full expression (if that is the word)? Why do it here? It is a very minority interest as far as I can see, and it causes more ill-feeling than anything else I have ever seen posted here in the few years I've been dropping by.


I'm all for free speech, but ultimately, it is not just the subject matter I find distasteful - it is your complete thick-skinned lack of realisation that quite frankly it just isn't any good anyway. It is the sort of stuff that a teenager with a new crush would write in an exercise book, whiling away boring afternoons in school.


Please don't tell me that you are older than 14 ...


It's not you I want to pester. It is the site moderators. I really wish they would close this thread down altogether. Young impressionable adolescents may be joining this forum all excited about discussing their sci-fi heroes and then they are going to come across this crap!


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denise.dion2

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Report this Jan. 28 2012, 3:19 am

Quote: Ghostmojo @ Jan. 26 2012, 2:53 am

Quote: denise.dion2 @ Jan. 25 2012, 6:19 pm

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>I am not into femme slash. That does not interest me in the slightest..but please go ahead and write something..maybe someone will read it....and as for threesome action...who knows, if you keep pestering me, I WILL ADD McCoy in the mix....

>

With the greatest respect, when you first appeared here and started posting this stuff - the thread said poetry. It still does. It didn't say pseudo-homoerotic material likely to cause offence. OK, so you've got the Kirk/Spock words with the all-important ' / ' (slash) there, and now some of us are better informed we can see what it is about. Initially quite a few people did take offence and then you stepped back a bit in response. But it seems to me that you are just back to your old tricks again.

Add McCoy. Add Scott, Sulu, Chekov and whoever else you like to this rambling pointless drivel - but it won't make it any better. This is just some kind of self-indulgent ego-trip for you. Nobody else is joining in (accept in mockery). Surely, you could start your own blog or web site where this stuff can find full expression (if that is the word)? Why do it here? It is a very minority interest as far as I can see, and it causes more ill-feeling than anything else I have ever seen posted here in the few years I've been dropping by.

I'm all for free speech, but ultimately, it is not just the subject matter I find distasteful - it is your complete thick-skinned lack of realisation that quite frankly it just isn't any good anyway. It is the sort of stuff that a teenager with a new crush would write in an exercise book, whiling away boring afternoons in school.

Please don't tell me that you are older than 14 ...

It's not you I want to pester. It is the site moderators. I really wish they would close this thread down altogether. Young impressionable adolescents may be joining this forum all excited about discussing their sci-fi heroes and then they are going to come across this crap!


 


It is sad that you see things in such a negative way. I am older than 14.....much older...maybe older than you...but it doesn't matter who I reach...or connect with. 


You don't have to see then as gay or bi....I know that everyone sees them as heterosexual...and that is fine ...because I saw them that way when i was growing up. But, I just saw something more...that is all...I am not the only one who has either. 


 


Kirk/Spock slash started in England ...and then moved to the States....It was the very first slash pairing. There has been so much written about them..


 


Do you know when I got my first computer in 2009, I googled for the first time Kirk and Spock and didn't think to get anything slash related because I didn't know about it yet...The first thing I get is this youtube vid called CLOSER...I had dial-up at the time and it took forever to upload...and when i saw it ...i was shocked...


So, don't tell me that the teenagers have not already seen it...KIRK/SPOCK VIDS ARE EVERYWHERE....


 


 


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Ghostmojo

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Report this Jan. 28 2012, 3:59 am

Kirk/Spock slash started in England ...and then moved to the States....It was the very first slash pairing. There has been so much written about them..


Sweet Jesus!


That worries me even more. To think this bollocks started over here - in the land of Shakespeare ...


... in the land of Horatio Hornblower (who inspired Roddenberry to create Kirk)!!! It seemed far more probable some kind of Californian counter-culture thing to me...


Do you know when I got my first computer in 2009, I googled for the first time Kirk and Spock and didn't think to get anything slash related because I didn't know about it yet...The first thing I get is this youtube vid called CLOSER...I had dial-up at the time and it took forever to upload...and when i saw it ...i was shocked...


Erm, well I don't know to what you refer but I'm not greatly interested anyway. I got my first PC perhaps nearly 20 years prior to that when there wasn't much of an internet anyway. Any Trek I watch on youtube tends to be snatches of interviews with De Kelley and others that are nice to see.


Look Denise. I do apologise for the 14 year old comment. It really just struck me that that might possibly be the case. Having read your post elsewhere I now know that is not the situation.


Given that you have such creative and expressive aspirations - could you not write something that is universally positive about Star Trek? And if it has to be about Kirk and Spock could you not (just for the hell of it - as an experiment for yourself) construct something that deals with the spirit of platonic friendship?


We see Kirk worrying about (his own) and Spock's eternal soul in ST3-TSFS. He sacrifices everything for the chance that his friend might have some sort of after-life ... and not because he is already running the bath-taps in earnest expectation of having some hot male Vulcan company in a few days ...


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denise.dion2

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Report this Jan. 28 2012, 4:47 am

[quote]


Kirk/Spock slash started in England ...and then moved to the States....It was the very first slash pairing. There has been so much written about them..


 



It seems that the idea of K/S came from England in the late Sixties--when the show was just being canceled in the United States. The concept of Jim Kirk and Spock loving one another and translating that love into a sexual relationship was passed around in the UK through small groups of interested fans for several quiet years. The story The Ring of Shoshern was published in the K/S zine Alien Brothers in 1987, but the introduction to the story in that zine dates it to 1975. My personal information from contact with the author dates that story several years earlier, to 1968 and possibly slightly before that. (Source: email with the author, who referred to her original dated manuscript.) "Amok Time," the episode that most explicitly deals with Spock's Vulcan sexuality, aired in the US in 1967, so K/S gained life just about as soon as it was possible for it to do so.


It's also clear that other stories were being written and privately circulated in the early Seventies.  For example, "B" wrote a series of stories that started with a strong friendship between Kirk and Spock; that friendship eventually became sexual in nature. The author confirms that she wrote from the late Sixties until about 1972.  Eventually some of these stories were printed in British fanzines in the Seventies.  One of them, The Last Decade,  is reprinted in one of the K/S fanzines that I co-publish, Encore.   (Source:  private correspondence with author.)


The idea of K/S didn't remain exclusively in the UK.  Before too long, through conversations and letters between friends, the concept crossed the Atlantic and took hold in the United States as well. 


The very first printed K/S story of which I'm aware is A Fragment Out of Time.  It's printed in Grup III, which was published in September 1974.  


Just letting you that I did not make this up...


 


And for that challenge of making me write something platonic...I know I could...but I will post it in the friendship site I created....Okay....take care...



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Ghostmojo

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Report this Jan. 29 2012, 3:24 am

I know that you didn't make it up Denise. It didn't take long googling the internet to find out all I ever needed/wanted to know about Slash and the Trek connection.


I suppose it takes a certain mindset to even want to think that way. Despite my own distaste for it I can accept that others seemingly see value in it. And despite the protestations and inferences of others (not you) on this site, my general credo is live and let live. To be honest I find the manipulated images more irritating than the lengthy epistles. I have used photoshop myself for many years (professionally for various things like CD sleeves for bands and artists of my acquaintance) and believe me I could easily assemble a believable montage of Kirk indulging in wild, orgiastic sex with as many female members of the Enterprise crew as you care to name ... but I wouldn't. It's just not something that has any value, merit or purpose to me. And I wouldn't want to see such blatantly sexist and arguably misogynistic images appear on this - or indeed any - web forum. I'm not suggesting that the proliferation of slash images is misandrist by the way, but it is clearly something ... the term just escapes me (perhaps it hasn't been invented yet?). With regards to women I am definitely a philogynist.


Believe me, I am entirely neutral when it comes the individual's rights to sexual preference. My criticisms (if anybody cares to read them carefully) have not been laced with anti-gay/bi diatribe. I have voiced my opinion that reimaginings of any characters can make that figure suffer in the public appreciation for many - just as it equally amuses others. I would also stand up for the rights of non-hetero heros or icons being afforded the same privileges as straight heros etc. But that particular fairness and equanimity of general approach has been often ignored or sidestepped by those (again not you particularly) who wish to just portray my own views as homophobic, bullying and reactionary - which they are most decidely not!


I watched Newsnight a few days ago (BBC2 late night news/culture programme in UK) and listened to an interesting discussion. It was about where feminism is these days, and whether it still has the same impact. Two women - one a Conservative politician and the other a radical activist - both claiming to be feminists argued the toss about what it meant to be feminist in the early 21stC. They also extended the debate to include men. The conservative pointed out that she believed our current (male) Prime Minister to be a feminist but admitted she never saw Margaret Thatcher as one (and who would?). I found that interesting in itself - that men could actually be more feminist in outlook than women. The debate was lively but tempered and well-mannered. It also showed how far we have come. Feminism is actually now so mainstream that it is no longer specifically the territory of the left (as perhaps it once was solely) but now has the complete spectrum covered. Perhaps the same is true of the gay/bi etc. community? Some of the reactions to the position I have taken - from supposed gay/bi individuals - have struck me as being as virulent as the sort of rhetoric you get from the neo-cons and Christian right wing in the USA. In other words sexual orientation issues are now mainstream too, and a proliferation of opinions and political viewpoints exist in the expression of that community - as it should be. My own reaction to all of that is to wonder whether we are actually watching people of supposedly open minds (gay/bi/etc.) attacking in a very right wing manner and style, those also of equally open minds (straights) who take issue with them?


I am a European Liberal and proud of my political stance and credentials. I have had gay friends, acquaintances and workmates of both sexes, and interacted with them exactly as I would anybody else. I absolutely support the notion that I might not agree with what you say but I would fight for the right for you to express it. That is the mantra of all democratic, progressive, liberal and tolerant people. Equally, however, I believe the practice of restraint - on what after all is arguably a family and very young-person friendly web site - should be practised by all; particularly when it comes to posting sexual images. There is clearly a place for this sort of thing. There is obviously a taste for it and maybe even a need for it (for some) but is a mainstream web forum really that place?


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denise.dion2

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Report this Feb. 05 2012, 2:12 am


Just a friendship pic. Isn't it adorable.....ahhhh


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denise.dion2

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Report this Feb. 05 2012, 2:15 am

Damn, man am i blind. I just noticed the phaser.

Ghostmojo

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Report this Feb. 05 2012, 6:06 am

Very clever image! Quite brilliant in fact! ( a little concerned about the groin area of one character - but that might just be shadows...)


For quite a while I have begun to realise perhaps we are not in Kansas (or even Iowa) anymore ...


Mind you - I've never been to either.

denise.dion2

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Report this Feb. 05 2012, 6:30 am

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( a little concerned about the groin area of one character - but that might just be shadows...)


 


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Come on now. when I meant friendship, I meant that. No slash whatsoever.  Just a cool, fun, pic.


 


Next time, you never know....'runs away and hides'......


 


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denise.dion2

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Report this Feb. 05 2012, 6:35 am


Ahhhhhhhhhhh......friends yes....


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Report this Feb. 08 2012, 1:44 pm

Common Ground



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Report this Feb. 09 2012, 4:04 am

 



I have been, and always shall be yours.

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Report this Feb. 29 2012, 6:30 pm


Always on My Mind

Art by: Elfqueen55

Your smile, a certain expression on your face, bleeds into my soul.

There is no escaping it.

A lingering look, a touch of flesh upon flesh, so innocent.

How do you possess me so?

Why is it that there are days when I keep seeing you in my thoughts and can no longer concentrate on the most simplest tasks?

What kind of creature are you that can do this?

Whoever you are, you are mine to keep, forever, always on my mind.

Chapter End Notes:






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denise.dion2

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Report this Mar. 25 2012, 2:12 am

                                                      What Lies Beneath


 



What has happened, I cannot explain.

The moment we melded I felt no longer alone.

It's always been my life, living a life of solitude, never truly letting anyone in.

Command is a lonely place.

But, you knew that didn't you. For you have lived it also.

Are we truly more than just friends? Have I found my soul mate? 

Could you be the one that I have been searching for all my life?

Someone to fill that void, to make me complete.

Time will tell.










I have been, and always shall be yours.

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