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At what point did the Star Trek franchise start to go wrong?

JM1ICEMAN

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Report this Mar. 10 2012, 3:58 am

An Ali88 question...missed it..but judging from Vger23 first respond it was with out a doubt a blame "GENERATIONS" for everything rant.


Ahh, how some thing never change...LOL

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Report this Mar. 10 2012, 9:10 am

Quote: Vger23 @ Jan. 08 2012, 12:18 pm

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>1. You're obsessed with hating Star Trek Generations. I'd be surprised if LESS than 75% of your posts weren't on this topic. Seriously, the movie is 17 years old. That means 95% of the nation's non-college students weren't even born when the movie came out.

>2. You took this directly from redlettermedia.com's Phantom Menace Review...except it's reversed.

>Fail.

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deannastartreker

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Report this Mar. 10 2012, 9:14 am

i blame the last part of tng season 7 when deanna started seeing worf coz with that the plot started to die


could've kept the deleted scenes in nemesis and that might've made it better but the plot failed when deanna started seeing worf

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Report this Mar. 10 2012, 5:01 pm

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>I think what happened was that TOS was like a space adventure.  What was on the next horizon?  Who would be the next new race?  What would the newest planet be like?  I loved it because it was about space traveling.  Friends who supported and protected each other.  The command crew became a family.

>The latter series beginning with the middle of Next Generation, it deviated.  The episodes became less about an adventure and more towards soap opera style.  More episodes focused on family members of the command crew versus the command crew themselves.  Episodes became more of the who would be the next added character versus a consistant cast of characters.  The focus was drawn to characters dealing with their feelings or they're lack of them versus what all of them were in space to do in the first place, exploration of new worlds.  In short, they became boring.

>I liked the reboot, I'm just hoping they hold down all the kissing.  I want to see more battles!

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Battles shouldn't be the focus of Star Trek adventures. That's not what it's all about.


 


True!   Exploration should be the main part of ST.  Especially when it comes to new worlds.   I think it's a careful balance. 


I just hope that with the next movie, the director doesn't focus large parts on Spock and Uhura together.   I think it should focus more on Captain Kirk and Spock.  Which is too why some of the later series didn't quite appeal to me.  There was a loss of that special connection between the captain and first officer.  


In the original series, Captain Kirk and Spock worked well together.  Most of the episodes focused on the two of them along with McCoy working together to solve a problem.  In the later series, there were so many different characters or a need to incorporate lower ranked characters into part of the missions that it was hard to stay focused on any one.

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Report this Apr. 11 2012, 10:43 am

I read once that Star Trek went down somewhat when Paramount took it over from Desilu, making it more commerialized.


Perhaps one could say that the franchise started to go wrong after Gene Roddenberry passed away.


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OtakuJo

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Report this Apr. 11 2012, 3:31 pm

It's changed, sure. But I really don't believe it has "gone wrong".


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Report this Apr. 12 2012, 5:48 am

At what point did the Star Trek franchise start to go wrong?


Since whiners started to watch it!



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OtakuJo

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Report this Apr. 12 2012, 2:51 pm

Whiners have always watched Star Trek lol -- they just haven't always had such a huge international platform on which to whine about it!


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Report this Apr. 12 2012, 6:31 pm

Quote: deannastartreker @ Mar. 10 2012, 9:10 am

Quote: Vger23 @ Jan. 08 2012, 12:18 pm

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>1. You're obsessed with hating Star Trek Generations. I'd be surprised if LESS than 75% of your posts weren't on this topic. Seriously, the movie is 17 years old. That means 95% of the nation's non-college students weren't even born when the movie came out.

>2. You took this directly from redlettermedia.com's Phantom Menace Review...except it's reversed.

>Fail.

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Report this Apr. 12 2012, 7:23 pm

The franchise never went wrong; it's just different.


Some people really like TOS and won't watch anything else. Others love DS9. For example, I never liked Voyager. I saw a few episodes and it bored me. But that's my opinion. But just because I don't like something doesn't mean that the franchise has somehow failed.


It all has to do with a person's personal preference. And that's perfectly fine. The thing that makes Star Trek unique is that it is different. People love it for many different reasons, and none of those reasons are wrong.


Change is inevitable. The franchise has to adapt in order to sustain itself. That means things are going to change and things are going to be different. So no, the franchise hasn't gone wrong anywhere. It's adapting and changing.


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Report this Apr. 13 2012, 8:37 am

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>When they stopped making TNG movies. I actually liked Nemesis(with the exeption of Datas demise). It's awful that there were only 4. I guess I'll just have to keep watching them over and over.

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Couldn't agree more. I watch them all the time, I wish there were more of them. Oh well, can't argue with having 7 TV seasons and 4 movies to watch - plenty of selection. 


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Report this Apr. 13 2012, 9:30 am

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>When they stopped making TNG movies. I actually liked Nemesis(with the exeption of Datas demise). It's awful that there were only 4. I guess I'll just have to keep watching them over and over.

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Couldn't agree more. I watch them all the time, I wish there were more of them. Oh well, can't argue with having 7 TV seasons and 4 movies to watch - plenty of selection. 


They stopped making TNG movies because people stopped watching them. It wasnt like they just made some arbitrary decision to stop making movies. 


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Report this Apr. 17 2012, 8:28 am

The franchise started to go downhill with the advent of Voyager, which had a promising premise that was generally untapped.  In the end, it ended up as a pale copy of TNG. 


NEM was the franchise's, or at least Rick Berman's, last chance to right the ship.  It was a spectacular failure


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Report this Apr. 17 2012, 11:25 pm

>1. "You're obsessed with hating Star Trek Generations. I'd be surprised if LESS than 75% of your posts weren't on this topic. Seriously, the movie is 17 years old. That means 95% of the nation's non-college students weren't even born when the movie came out."


*eep* way to make a girl feel old.


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Report this Apr. 19 2012, 7:40 am

Tell me about it, OtakuJo.


I teach college students.  And fortunately, most of them think of me as fairly young.


That is, until I say things like "You guys do know 21 Jump Street started out as a TV show, right?  That's where Johnny Depp got his start."


And then I see a sea of blank, confused faces staring back at me...


And I feel positively ancient.  Ha.


 


Anyway, sorry to get off-topic.  My views on the franchise can be read on the 2nd page of this thread.


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