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At what point did the Star Trek franchise start to go wrong?

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Report this Mar. 04 2012, 3:22 pm

Since everone has no quarrels with any of the Star Trek series then that means that the franchise has not gone downhill. Except with a couple but on the whole it's good.

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Report this Mar. 04 2012, 3:47 pm

I don't think the franchise ever went wrong.


I think during Voyager and Enterprise, I think the fans started to go wrong.


But they've made up for that with showing their support for Star Trek 2009. I think after Enterprise, the fans decided to show support whether the new film was good or not. The fact that it was good was just a plus.


Many people regret not showing Enterprise the support and respect it deserves. I think if it were on today, it would be far more popular.

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Report this Mar. 04 2012, 4:01 pm

I really had no problem with trek actors directing some episodes.  I thought Levar had some good attempts. I personally liked Frakes directing the 2 movies.


It is hard for me to believe that many Trek fans would take Stuart Baird over Frakes!!! Baird was horrible. 


Just imagine what it might have been if it was a big name guy like Ridley Scott or James Cameron.  I think the action would have been equal or better in the case of Insurrection but idk if they would have been able to really build up character development.  I personally dont like to play the what if game but along those lines what if Tom Hanks actually would have played Cochran in First Contact.  It would have ended up similar to Nemesis in only focusing on an element or 2 as opposed to multiple elements.  Yes it would have made more money but i think it would have hurt the movie in the long run.


Nemesis would have mad more money if they would have changed the release date!!! It was so dumb for it to be released like withen a week of Lord of the Rings: the 2 towers!!! Which maybe and i mean maybe left the door much wider for a possble next TNG movie though doubtful.


I think i would have liked the new Trek movie more if they would have cast a better actor than Eric Banna bc he is so overrated as an actor.  Like with Contact it was casted real well in bringing in Cromwell.  He isn't a superstar elite actor, but he is a well established veteran that can compliment the main cast.


I really like TNG bc they always casted many stars from outside of the trek world that were established workers to mix it up. I think if they were to continue along the timeline just after Nemesis they should incorporate a few of the cast members that wont ask to be paid a huge amount of money to get off the ground. Regardless the next series should be based around the Enterprise or at least have it in a reoccuring role.


 

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Report this Mar. 04 2012, 4:13 pm

Greetings all, fist time poster.


I never thought Trek as a whole faltered. As has been said, it's damn near impossible to please everbody over 45 years. I've enjoyed it for the most part. 


My only two things over the years:


Had a had time with Voyager. It was something different, but just didn't appeal to me much.


DS9 took me a while to get into. The later episodes were more exciting, but the first couple of seasons didn't thrill me all the way through. To be honest, I thought B5 was a bit more exciting and had a better story overall.


On the whole, some didn't like the later series as much, but it still was an overall success IMHO.


 


Aaron


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Report this Mar. 04 2012, 5:31 pm

I guess I'm a genralist. I like most anything "Star Trek". However, Voyager was my least favorite. I just couldn't get into Voyager's Captain! Even so, I'd still watch it if I had the chance.


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Report this Mar. 04 2012, 6:06 pm

 


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Here's the rating history of TNG


 


Fall 1987 - Spring 1988: 8.55 Million Fall 1988 - Spring 1989: 9.14 Million Fall 1989 - Spring 1990: 9.77 Million Fall 1990 - Spring 1991: 10.58 Million Fall 1991 - Spring 1992: 11.50 Million Fall 1992 - Spring 1993: 10.83 Million Fall 1993 - Spring 1994: 9.78 Million Fall 1994 - Spring 1995: 7.05 Million Fall 1995 - Spring 1996: 6.42 Million Fall 1996 - Spring 1997: 5.03 Million Fall 1997 - Spring 1998: 4.53 Million Fall 1998 - Spring 1999: 4.00 Million


 


It peaks in 1992 then goes down. Gene Roddenberry died in oct 1991 so it's probably that.


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I thought TNG only ran 7 years


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It did. The original poster must have meant to cover DS9 and Voyager as well, because TNG was over by 1994.

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Report this Mar. 04 2012, 10:31 pm

I think what happened was that TOS was like a space adventure.  What was on the next horizon?  Who would be the next new race?  What would the newest planet be like?  I loved it because it was about space traveling.  Friends who supported and protected each other.  The command crew became a family.


The latter series beginning with the middle of Next Generation, it deviated.  The episodes became less about an adventure and more towards soap opera style.  More episodes focused on family members of the command crew versus the command crew themselves.  Episodes became more of the who would be the next added character versus a consistant cast of characters.  The focus was drawn to characters dealing with their feelings or they're lack of them versus what all of them were in space to do in the first place, exploration of new worlds.  In short, they became boring.


I liked the reboot, I'm just hoping they hold down all the kissing.  I want to see more battles!

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Report this Mar. 05 2012, 7:39 am

I was unaware the Franchise had gone "wrong" at some point.


It's gone a different route, sure how is different the same as wrong? Kirk said it best in TUS:


Kirk: "People can be very frightened of change."


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Report this Mar. 05 2012, 10:13 am

I, like many fans, have only one problem with the current state of the Trek franchise. And that is that there is no TV series in play. That is where Trek made it's fan base in my opinion.  


Where it started going poorly to me seems to be when the staff chose to use UPN as its sole carrier for Trek. That proved to be a huge mistake. One has to wonder if Voyager and Enterprise could have done potentially even better on an established network.


I love Trek, I really hope we see a series again soon.... Movies are great, but once every two or three years isn't enough to keep an entire franchise afloat. 

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Report this Mar. 05 2012, 10:39 am

When TOS got cancelled. But it got right back on the track with the movies and TNG.

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Report this Mar. 05 2012, 4:45 pm

Quote: stngfreek @ Mar. 05 2012, 10:13 am

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>I, like many fans, have only one problem with the current state of the Trek franchise. And that is that there is no TV series in play. That is where Trek made it's fan base in my opinion.  

>Where it started going poorly to me seems to be when the staff chose to use UPN as its sole carrier for Trek. That proved to be a huge mistake. One has to wonder if Voyager and Enterprise could have done potentially even better on an established network.

>I love Trek, I really hope we see a series again soon.... Movies are great, but once every two or three years isn't enough to keep an entire franchise afloat. 

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I would love to see a new series.  Where it gets tricky is what time line do you use?  Perhaps a series that uses the new reboot would work because you'd be using characters Captain Kirk and the rest of an Enterprise crew that made the episodes work throughout the entire series.


You'd just have to be careful in the actors/actressess selected and pick new people.  I wouldn't want a new series full of people from cancelled sitcoms/dramas that didn't last more than half a season.

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Report this Mar. 05 2012, 6:32 pm

Adventure doesn't necessarily mean battles, but it certainly does not mean the "will they or won't they" nonsense that permated series following TNG.

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Report this Mar. 07 2012, 2:59 am

Easy the downfall started with DS9 and ended with Enterprise, the movies are all good except of course in my opinion the last one Nemesis.


 

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Report this Mar. 07 2012, 6:40 am

Nemesis was not that bad, had great cgi and piture quality, the down side was the storyline. Too much like wrath of khan plus since they was going to be the last tng moive the should have kept the deleted scenes and made the movie at least 2 hours or split it in to. Would change a few things. But after seeing the deleted scenes I was surprised they tooki them out. Would made the story alot smoother plus they had alot of Budget cuts with nemesis so it did okay. Could of been alot better if it won't for budget cuts.


 


There were rumours last year in august of that someone was going to pitch a new series set post voyager/nemesis. But nothing has happened. Also there was the creator of family guy was intereseted but nothing either. 


 


I'm hoping for a new series set after nemesis personally. Hopefully on the E but have a new crew take over or have the F but the F is a new sovereign ship. Just an idea here.  

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Report this Mar. 08 2012, 8:21 pm

I've been watching Star Trek since 1990. This is my opinion. The Star Trek franchise started to go wrong after Star Trek: Insurrection in 1998. The movie, while not bad, doesn't really feel like a movie. It feels more like a 2-hour TV episode. Plus the plot was weak. Another indicator of when the franchise started to go wrong was season 6 of Star Trek: Voyager. The introduction of borg children in the episode "Collective" was a sign that the franchise has jumped the shark.

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