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The reason Enterprise died.

Pete1873

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Report this Aug. 12 2012, 11:45 am

 


This is my first post so hope I don't sound like an idiot! lol I have to say , there are some really great points here on all sides. I don't think I have anything new to add. I agree with several points but not with the sexed up version. I think Enterprise was a good effort but just fell short. The writing could have been better. There was a bit more cheese than I would have cared for but I don't think it was ever too much. I think the cast did well and I liked the idea of a simplistic turn for the trek universe, meaning a return to the beginning. A glimpse of how it got started was a great idea for me, it just seemed to go to far sometimes as previously stated in many different ways. I liked it more than not though, maybe if the timing were different.


 


Welcome 'iwishiwasdata', thanks for your input, and regardless of what others might say, you DO NOT sound stupid for voicing YOUR opinion, since you cannot possibly be wrong about what YOU THINK - just aviod argumaents by stating things as FACT rather than OPINION.....trust me, it's safer!! 


 


The quote under your box, isn't that from 'Starship Mine' where data takes over the Enterprise and flies off to see Soong? Or was it Datalore?! 


 


Not QUITE memorized EVERY episodes' dialogue, but seen every episode except some DS9 and Treklife, however, it's safe to say I'm a Trekkie, I'm proud of it, and I don't care whether other folks like either the the term or the show, because I LOVE both!

Middleman

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Report this Aug. 13 2012, 1:28 pm

Reason One: Les Moonves had no patience for the series to find it's legs in a TV market going through some serious changes. So he shot first and asked questions later. 3 million viewers was enough to carry that show.


Reason two: Inflexible fans constantly complaining (i. e. Bitching) on the internet about cannon and every other little crap, giving the network the feeling that the series was killing the franchise (let's face it, killing the franchise is Abram's job).


Enterprise was my favorite of all the series.


The connection that she and Trip had shared was no mere casual dalliance. It was identical to the link that united two of her oldest friends in the bonds of Syrrannite marriage. And that makes Charles Tucker my mate, she thought. In a much truer sense than Koss ever was. BENEATH THE RAPTOR'S WING

Jerry.NX.01

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Report this Aug. 13 2012, 1:50 pm

I think the reason anything fails to succeed is it does not resonate with the majority of its watchers.  There are numerous problems with the timeline events, and regardless of the justifications, I think the STU audience are not the run of the mill watcher.  I think they are much more sophisticated than average... people either get the Roddenberry Universe or they dont.


But having said all that, the Temperal Cold War simply did not work for my wife and I... it was the worst... well I wont rant... the 4th season was the best because they ended the Temperal Cold War and moved on to more relevant STU substance.  But by then I guess it was too late.


I would love to see another series pick up where enterprise leaves off so the united federation of planets can at least be created.


Well, nobody's perfect.

ABfield

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Report this Aug. 29 2012, 1:16 pm

***Disclaimer: I'm new to Star Trek, and going through Star Trek: Enterrpise now (season 4)***


 


Okay so a couple of months ago a collegue is telling me how much of a Star Trek fan she is, and while I rememer seeing the odd TOS episode in syndication and the first two movies as a kid, I never got into this franchise. It all seemed way too far into the future, and disconnected so I always gave it a pass.


 


However I found the official Star Trek timeline and now am starting to watch everything in order.


1) Star Trek: First Contact


2) Star Trek: Enterprise (currently in season 4).


Then I'll move on to TOS, and TNG, ect.., incorporating the movies as I go.


 


However I really hope there is no more of this silly "Temporal Cold War" theme that keeps comming up and ruining good storylines. 


I was SO enjoying season 3, and was excited about the finale when the crew where simaltaniously batteling the Sphere Makers and the Reptilians. SO GOOD! 


To my horror at the last episode, instead of wrapping everything up and letting the characters enjoy their victory, and honour the sacrifise of the 24 that perished, the idiot producers take the crew back to an alternate WW3 timeline?? Arrghh!!!


Enough movies, games and TV shows have gone back to World War 3 - give it a rest! This is why the Assasins Creed series creators have stated that they will never base a video game there.


So now I'm half paying attention to Episode 1, Season 4 as I rant on this forum LOL. 


Very disappointed. Oh, and the intro song was ruined at the start of Seaon 3. 


I am still going to wrap up the series because I am hoping for a return of what I love about this show:


1) More character development stories like "Shuttle Pod 1", "Two Days and Two Nights", "A Night in Sick Bay" and my favourite, "Singularity".


2) More humour from unexpected places like Shran in "Proving Ground", where he tries to fool the Xindi by playing an mineral trader. When Shran states that "The Andorian Mining Consortium runs from no one", that made me laugh. Shows the Andorians have a sense of humor.


Well time to finish up season 4.

Mitchz95

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Report this Aug. 29 2012, 1:32 pm

^ The Temporal Cold War acr ends after "Storm Front", so no worries.


Season 4 is by far Enterprise's best season. Character developement abounds, and there's lots of humor as well.


You probably should have saved "First Contact" until you finished TNG, though.


"The future is in the hands of those who explore... And from all the beauty they discover while crossing perpetually receding frontiers, they develop for nature and for humankind an infinite love." - Jacques Yves Cousteau

ryog1980

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Report this Aug. 29 2012, 3:47 pm

I haven't read all the thread, but I'm not a big fan of prequels never have been, and I don't think a lot of them are particularly successful. Enterprise was a good show, and would have been amazing if it was the first ever Star Trek, but I think that we need to see more advancements and things that you can't concieve to make it interesting. Which is kinda like another essence of Star Trek electric doors don't cut it anymore we need things beyond our comprehension at the minute to keep us interested and new villians, new challenges, not the same old **** revamped.


It didn't work because it wasn't original and was also retelling stories that had already been told, and they tried to spice it up with something that had never been heard of, nor mentioned.  I love Star Trek and it bored me! 

ABfield

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Report this Aug. 29 2012, 5:16 pm

Quote: Mitchz95 @ Aug. 29 2012, 1:32 pm

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>^ The Temporal Cold War acr ends after "Storm Front", so no worries.

>Season 4 is by far Enterprise's best season. Character developement abounds, and there's lots of humor as well.

>You probably should have saved "First Contact" until you finished TNG, though.

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Yeah, I just watched that one. Loved it when Capt. Archer told off the time traveller and declared "We're done with your Temporal Cold War!" Awesome!


Can't believe T'Pol married that other guy. Hope they break up and she can get back with Trip. "T'ripol"? ha ha.

Old_Yellow_Eyes

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Report this Aug. 31 2012, 5:11 pm

Humans can't marry Vulcans. It is against the Prime Directive.

Mitchz95

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Report this Aug. 31 2012, 9:00 pm

Quote: Old_Yellow_Eyes @ Aug. 31 2012, 5:11 pm

>Humans can't marry Vulcans. It is against the Prime Directive.


The Prime Directive didn't come into effect until after the Federation was founded, by which humans and Vulcans were already allies.


"The future is in the hands of those who explore... And from all the beauty they discover while crossing perpetually receding frontiers, they develop for nature and for humankind an infinite love." - Jacques Yves Cousteau

Pete1873

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Report this Aug. 31 2012, 9:51 pm

Quote: Old_Yellow_Eyes @ Aug. 31 2012, 5:11 pm

>Humans can't marry Vulcans. It is against the Prime Directive.


SOooooo how does your avatar have a Vulcan father and a Human mother then?!?!?! 


The immaculate-trans-species-inter-stellar-conception perhaps!?


Not QUITE memorized EVERY episodes' dialogue, but seen every episode except some DS9 and Treklife, however, it's safe to say I'm a Trekkie, I'm proud of it, and I don't care whether other folks like either the the term or the show, because I LOVE both!

Beersnark

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Report this Aug. 31 2012, 9:57 pm

The Prime directive does apply *( not ) to the personal affairs of individuals


*edit


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stovokor2000-A

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Report this Aug. 31 2012, 10:02 pm

Quote: Old_Yellow_Eyes @ Aug. 31 2012, 5:11 pm

>Humans can't marry Vulcans. It is against the Prime Directive.


 


I hope that was a joke


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Report this Aug. 31 2012, 10:03 pm

Quote: Beersnark @ Aug. 31 2012, 9:57 pm

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>The Prime directive does apply to the personal affairs of individuals

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thats not exactly correct.


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Pete1873

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Report this Aug. 31 2012, 10:07 pm

Welcome ABfield, it's kinda a mad-house here but hey, WE love it! 


I didn't mind the temporal cold war stuff that much myself, in fact there's little I do dislike about Enterprise on the whole, and I find myself set apart from some fans, given that I do own virtually every incarnation of Star Trek, plus have read many, many of the books, and even own the Technical Manual that keeps coming up on the advert on the right of the screen! Yet, the repetative slating of ANY of the shows/series' simply on account of 'canon' niggles me greatly, as I see Star Trek as firstly, great entertainment, secondly, a good yarn, thirdly, something to look forward to each week, just like Fringe and Bones, and like the X-Files used to be, and finally, something that I know I can be happy to hear children, family or not, telling each other about and encouraging one another to watch, safe in the certain knowledge that it will never harm them, always teach them to avoid violence until it is your last recourse, and promote in each and every one of them a moral compass and the skills to see right and wrong for what they are and act accordingly. How many shows, watchable by adults also, can claim these qualities, and so, does it really matter THAT much if continuities toes are tread on a little from time to time?


Hope you enjoy the rest of season four, and the other series' and films for that matter, but you won't like how the Trip/T'Pol story ends, it broke my bloody heart mate!! 

Beersnark

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Report this Aug. 31 2012, 10:14 pm

Quote: stovokor2000-A @ Aug. 31 2012, 10:03 pm

Quote: Beersnark @ Aug. 31 2012, 9:57 pm

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>The Prime directive does apply to the personal affairs of individuals

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thats not exactly correct.


Really? How so?


Edit- I see I made a typo in my first post. It should read, The prime directive does NOT apply to the personal affairs of individuals.


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