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JK1701

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Report this Jul. 24 2012, 9:49 am

Quote: Mitchz95 @ Jul. 24 2012, 9:02 am

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>And clearly the photonic torpedoes worked. They used them for the last two seasons without any problems. And, also, if you have a new weapon that is ore powerful, and a war starts, do you honestly not think they would retrofit EVERY ship that's going to be fighting with them? Why would you send all but 3 of your ships into the battle with weaker weapons? Where's the logic in that?

>Maybe the photonic torpedoes had a design flaw that didn't come up until after ENT ended. Or maybe Starfleet couldn't get the resources to make them in any significant numbers.

>I guess we'll just have to disagree, because I took his speech to mean that the "tech" was not around "IN THOSE DAYS". I'll go watch the episode again, but I do believe he said that. He never specifically said that we just couldn't communicate with the Romulans.

>I grant that there's more than one possible interpretation.

>How can you even try to say a LaSer pistol would be more advanced than a PhaSe pistol? (Spelling, Stovokor?) A laser, by definition, would be less advanced than something that uses phased energy rectification (Hence the name PHASER). And how could you set a laSer to have more than one setting? And if you had that with a prior weapon that clearly worked well, why would you regress to something more primitive?

>No idea. But it's kind of ridiculous to think that in an era of warp-capable starships, they'd be using "laser"-based weapons. I blame the writers of "The Cage" for that.

>And we also saw phasers used on the USS Kelvin, which was in 2233 of both the prime and Abrams universes. So if it is a continuity issue, ENT's not alone on it.

>And Mitchz95, unless some alien force comes down and sheers off the hills and mountains around Broken Bow and makes it flat, it will not look like that in 2151 or any other year. When you've been there and seen it, then you can argue that point with me.

>Actually, there was supposedly a massive nuclear war during the mid-to-late 2000s.

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Oh, there were major continuity errors in Star Trek 09, no doubt about it. But this is about Enterprise, so I will confine my comments to that. I guess I tend not to speculate too much on this issue to give the writers an out. I think that they simply said "Screw continuity and making it line up with the Original. We'll just do whatever the heck we want to and they'll watch it". I see these things simply as mistakes. The "flaws developed after Enterprise ended" thing could work, I suppose, but I guess I tend towards sticking with what's shown and seen on the series rather than "might haves" after the show. There have been a few things I've read in books that explained something and I went "Oh, that makes sense", but, having not read the Romulan War books that are being published now, I don't know where those authors have taken it. And, no, overall, I don't consider the books canon, but if they give a plausible explanation for something, I do tend to accept it.


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Report this Jul. 24 2012, 11:18 am

Quote: JK1701 @ Jul. 24 2012, 9:49 am

>I think that they simply said "Screw continuity and making it line up with the Original. We'll just do whatever the heck we want to and they'll watch it".


I think one of the writers actually did say something like that at one point.


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Report this Jul. 24 2012, 11:25 am

Quote: Mitchz95 @ Jul. 24 2012, 11:18 am

Quote: JK1701 @ Jul. 24 2012, 9:49 am

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>I think that they simply said "Screw continuity and making it line up with the Original. We'll just do whatever the heck we want to and they'll watch it".

I think one of the writers actually did say something like that at one point.


  I believe it!


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Report this Jul. 25 2012, 8:08 am

They were involved in a temporal war. Things happened that did not happen in the TOS timeline. For example the Xindi war. So, there are no continuity errors, there is no continuity.


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Report this Jul. 25 2012, 8:18 am

Quote: Hugues @ Jul. 25 2012, 8:08 am

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>They were involved in a temporal war. Things happened that did not happen in the TOS timeline. For example the Xindi war. So, there are no continuity errors, there is no continuity. 

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I think the intended implication is that the TOS-through-DS9 timeline happened the way it did as a result of the TCW.


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Report this Jul. 25 2012, 10:05 am

Quote: Hugues @ Jul. 25 2012, 8:08 am

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>They were involved in a temporal war. Things happened that did not happen in the TOS timeline. For example the Xindi war. So, there are no continuity errors, there is no continuity.

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Which serves to prove my original point of the entire show being one big continuity error and thereby my belief that it happened in an alternate timeline like Star Trek 09 did. But, as Frustrated pointed out, our heroes did, in fact, thwart everything except the lesser Xindi attack on Earth, which would preserve the Timeline, which would still make it one big continuity error. I just don't see any way around that.


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Report this Jul. 25 2012, 10:26 am

Quote: JK1701 @ Jul. 24 2012, 7:58 am

> And clearly the photonic torpedoes worked. They used them for the last two seasons without any problems.


there were some problems from what I recall.But thats irrelevent.So what if they worked with the NX ships?What makes you think they were adaptable for the older Earth ships?


You are assuming that it was possible and that they had the materials to retrofit EVERY ship in the fleet.And you know wehat they say about assuming?


I guess we'll just have to disagree, because I took his speech to mean that the "tech" was not around "IN THOSE DAYS". I'll go watch the episode again, but I do believe he said that. He never specifically said that we just couldn't communicate with the Romulans.


Do watch it again, he was not that defintive.His statement was vague at best.


How can you even try to say a LaSer pistol would be more advanced than a PhaSe pistol? (Spelling, Stovokor?) A laser, by definition, would be less advanced than something that uses phased energy rectification(Hence the name PHASER). And how could you set a laSer to have more than one setting?And if you had that with a prior weapon that clearly worked well, why would you regress to something more primitive? 


See, thats my point, the Lasor pistols seen in The Gage had different settings.So, your assuming that they must be more primitive is in error.You are applying real world defintions to these weapons and it is not helping your argument.


Sorry, but the techs in question were never fully explained within the series.


unless some alien force comes down and sheers off the hills and mountains around Broken Bow and makes it flat, it will not look like that in 2151 or any other year. 


maybe WW3 had something to do with it


Oh, there were major continuity errors in Star Trek 09, no doubt about it. But this is about Enterprise,   major??? No insult but I would love to see a list of the ones you consider major.Because so far the ones you pointed on in Enterprise dont equal minor.    


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Report this Jul. 25 2012, 11:10 am

Quote: stovokor2000-A @ Jul. 25 2012, 10:26 am

Quote: JK1701 @ Jul. 24 2012, 7:58 am

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> And clearly the photonic torpedoes worked. They used them for the last two seasons without any problems.

there were some problems from what I recall.But thats irrelevent.So what if they worked with the NX ships?What makes you think they were adaptable for the older Earth ships?

You are assuming that it was possible and that they had the materials to retrofit EVERY ship in the fleet.And you know wehat they say about assuming?

I guess we'll just have to disagree, because I took his speech to mean that the "tech" was not around "IN THOSE DAYS". I'll go watch the episode again, but I do believe he said that. He never specifically said that we just couldn't communicate with the Romulans.

Do watch it again, he was not that defintive.His statement was vague at best.

How can you even try to say a LaSer pistol would be more advanced than a PhaSe pistol? (Spelling, Stovokor?) A laser, by definition, would be less advanced than something that uses phased energy rectification(Hence the name PHASER). And how could you set a laSer to have more than one setting?And if you had that with a prior weapon that clearly worked well, why would you regress to something more primitive? 

See, thats my point, the Lasor pistols seen in The Gage had different settings.So, your assuming that they must be more primitive is in error.You are applying real world defintions to these weapons and it is not helping your argument.

Sorry, but the techs in question were never fully explained within the series.

unless some alien force comes down and sheers off the hills and mountains around Broken Bow and makes it flat, it will not look like that in 2151 or any other year. 

maybe WW3 had something to do with it

Oh, there were major continuity errors in Star Trek 09, no doubt about it. But this is about Enterprise,   major??? No insult but I would love to see a list of the ones you consider major.Because so far the ones you pointed on in Enterprise dont equal minor.    


It is quite appropriate that you have a picture of Kor on your posts, because you argue like a Klingon. Anyone that doesn't agree with you is instantly wrong, and I for one am through with this discussion. Mostly because I have said all I have to say, and clearly our views differ, but also because I'm tired of your know-it-all attitude and being unable to let me disagree with you. If you'll re-read my posts after the one you quoted, you will see I had quit arguing and stated I differed in opinion from others on this. Thank you for your opinion, but I disagree and I clearly see continuity issues where you don't. So sorry I'm not you. Good day. PS You are not Gene Roddenberry, nor a member of the writing staff. You are therefore not all knowing. Perhaps change your picture to Q, for that's who you act like.


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Report this Jul. 25 2012, 12:15 pm

Quote: JK1701 @ Jul. 25 2012, 11:10 am

>It is quite appropriate that you have a picture of Kor on your posts, because you argue like a Klingon.


thank you very much my friend.I'll take that part as a complement in that I hold strong to my points .But.....


Anyone that doesn't agree with you is instantly wrong,


Now thats just not true.No one needs or has to agree with me, heck, I'm just in this for some fun, keeps my mind off things while I'm in treatment.You dont have to agree, but if they are going to make claims of SOLID continuity errors then they should be able to provide at least 1 example of a SOLID continuity error.


I'm sorry you fell you no longer want to participate,like I said, this was fun for me, a shame it wasnt for you. But trying to blame me for a "know-it-all attitude" simplely because your examples were poor is uncivil.


I never stated the show was perfect or had no continuity issues, as a matter of fact I'm the one that pointed out its largest error in the romulan cloaked ships.But the examples you pointed out just dont measure up.


Spock never said there was no ship to ship comunication tech in those days.We cant say for sure if the Lazor pistol was less advasnced then the phased pistol.We cant assume that the old Earth fleet ships could have been refited to use the newer weapons.


You are mistaking your preconceptions of how things should fit and calling them continuity errors.


Either way, I Thank you as well for your opinion, but its not based on any solid evidence.


PS I would never call ,Gene Roddenberry, or any member of the writing staff "all knowing".Geene changed his mind on whats canon with every drink, and the writting staff is the cause of mosst continuity errors.


 


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Report this Jul. 25 2012, 1:16 pm

I actually enjoyed Enterprise but i do admit there were several continuity errors and the awful titles after series 2 and the ending which was ridiculous  but i still think it was a good series 



 

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Report this Jul. 25 2012, 2:04 pm

Quote: stovokor2000-A @ Jul. 25 2012, 12:15 pm

Quote: JK1701 @ Jul. 25 2012, 11:10 am

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>It is quite appropriate that you have a picture of Kor on your posts, because you argue like a Klingon.

thank you very much my friend.I'll take that part as a complement in that I hold strong to my points .But.....

Anyone that doesn't agree with you is instantly wrong,

Now thats just not true.No one needs or has to agree with me, heck, I'm just in this for some fun, keeps my mind off things while I'm in treatment.You dont have to agree, but if they are going to make claims of SOLID continuity errors then they should be able to provide at least 1 example of a SOLID continuity error.

I'm sorry you fell you no longer want to participate,like I said, this was fun for me, a shame it wasnt for you. But trying to blame me for a "know-it-all attitude" simplely because your examples were poor is uncivil.

I never stated the show was perfect or had no continuity issues, as a matter of fact I'm the one that pointed out its largest error in the romulan cloaked ships.But the examples you pointed out just dont measure up.

Spock never said there was no ship to ship comunication tech in those days.We cant say for sure if the Lazor pistol was less advasnced then the phased pistol.We cant assume that the old Earth fleet ships could have been refited to use the newer weapons.

You are mistaking your preconceptions of how things should fit and calling them continuity errors.

Either way, I Thank you as well for your opinion, but its not based on any solid evidence.

PS I would never call ,Gene Roddenberry, or any member of the writing staff "all knowing".Geene changed his mind on whats canon with every drink, and the writting staff is the cause of mosst continuity errors.

 


Neither is yours. your opinion is based on "We can't know" and "We can't assume". It's fiction. We each "know" and "assume" what we want. Instead of being willing to admit "I can see where you would get that" and simply disagreeing, you continually tell me my ideas are poor and I'm wrong. It's fiction. There is no wrong. I take Spock's speech literally. There was no "tech" for ship-to-ship then. You don't think he was that specific. Who's wrong? Neither of us. It's our opinion. I see SOLID continuity errors. You don't. Who's wrong? Neither of us. I have "preconceptions", you have "We can't know"s. Who's wrong? Neither of us. It's fiction. I think your saying "we can't know" this or that is a poor excuse to tell me I'm wrong. I think I was discussing in a rational manner, but you just keep telling me my thoughts are "poor" and wrong. So, fine. I'm wrong. Whatever. If you want to discuss things rationally and make reasonable arguments without attacking, then I'll discuss. But if you're just gonna dismiss everything I say with "We can't know", then I'm not interested.


Ahh, Kirk, my old friend. Do you know the Klingon proverb which tells us revenge is a dish that is best served cold? It's very cold....in space.

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Report this Jul. 25 2012, 2:57 pm

Quote: JK1701 @ Jul. 25 2012, 2:04 pm

>Neither is yours.


Why would I need any facts, I never made any claims about the show I could not back up.You were the one that made accusations, claimed that certin things were, in FACT, continuity errors.Even in work/world of fiction we each "know" what has been stated clearly within the body of the series. So yes, there is a wrong and a right to certin things within a serial fiction.To "assume" what we want based on our own preconceptions on vague details is rather pointless.


You claim to take Spock's speech literally. That Spock said there was no "tech" for ship-to-ship comunications then.Where heres the exact quote from his dialog.


SPOCK: As you may recall from your histories, this conflict was fought,by our standards today, with primitive atomic weapons and in primitive space vessels Which allowed no quarter, no captives. Nor was there even ship-to-ship visual communication.


So, where in Spock's speech does it LITERALLY state there was no such TECH??.Sure, I can see how someone might take the statement that way, but was it LITERALLY  stated??No it was not.So.............Who's wrong in this case?? You are in claiming it was LITERALLY stated that there was no such tech in that era.Sorry, but LITERALLY its just not there.That may be how the writers intended it,it may be how everyone took it, but they left it vague and open to interpertation, which the producers of Enterprise took advantage of


You see SOLID continuity errors.....fine, I ask you to provide a few examples.So far you have not.You might think my saying "we can't know" is a poor excuse, but its better to say, we dont know" then to make false accusatioins and incorrect claims.


I think I was discussing in a rational manner, but you just keep telling me my thoughts are "poor" and wrong. So, fine. I'm wrong. Whatever. If you want to discuss things rationally and make reasonable arguments without attacking, then I'll discuss. But if you're just gonna dismiss everything I say with "We can't know", then I'm not interested


You are being rational ,but so have I.Telling you that something you said is incorrect is not an attack.I have not dismissed what you claimed....I made a reasonable and rational argument that rebutts the examplkes you have provided so far.You may not think its good enough, but  "We dont know" effectly rebutts your assumption thast lazor pistols are more primitive to phase pistols.


I am unsure as to why you have taken any of this as an attack.That was never my intend.I do hope you choose to continue this conversation.


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Report this Jul. 26 2012, 8:09 am

Quote: stovokor2000-A @ Jul. 25 2012, 2:57 pm

Quote: JK1701 @ Jul. 25 2012, 2:04 pm

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>Neither is yours.

Why would I need any facts, I never made any claims about the show I could not back up.You were the one that made accusations, claimed that certin things were, in FACT, continuity errors.Even in work/world of fiction we each "know" what has been stated clearly within the body of the series. So yes, there is a wrong and a right to certin things within a serial fiction.To "assume" what we want based on our own preconceptions on vague details is rather pointless.

You claim to take Spock's speech literally. That Spock said there was no "tech" for ship-to-ship comunications then.Where heres the exact quote from his dialog.

SPOCK: As you may recall from your histories, this conflict was fought,by our standards today, with primitive atomic weapons and in primitive space vessels Which allowed no quarter, no captives. Nor was there even ship-to-ship visual communication.

So, where in Spock's speech does it LITERALLY state there was no such TECH??.Sure, I can see how someone might take the statement that way, but was it LITERALLY  stated??No it was not.So.............Who's wrong in this case?? You are in claiming it was LITERALLY stated that there was no such tech in that era.Sorry, but LITERALLY its just not there.That may be how the writers intended it,it may be how everyone took it, but they left it vague and open to interpertation, which the producers of Enterprise took advantage of

You see SOLID continuity errors.....fine, I ask you to provide a few examples.So far you have not.You might think my saying "we can't know" is a poor excuse, but its better to say, we dont know" then to make false accusatioins and incorrect claims.

I think I was discussing in a rational manner, but you just keep telling me my thoughts are "poor" and wrong. So, fine. I'm wrong. Whatever. If you want to discuss things rationally and make reasonable arguments without attacking, then I'll discuss. But if you're just gonna dismiss everything I say with "We can't know", then I'm not interested

You are being rational ,but so have I.Telling you that something you said is incorrect is not an attack.I have not dismissed what you claimed....I made a reasonable and rational argument that rebutts the examplkes you have provided so far.You may not think its good enough, but  "We dont know" effectly rebutts your assumption thast lazor pistols are more primitive to phase pistols.

I am unsure as to why you have taken any of this as an attack.That was never my intend.I do hope you choose to continue this conversation.


Ok, let's come at this another way, and think about this for a second. If I were to say to you "People once traveled, by our standards today, in primitive automobiles controlled by a single joystick-like apparatus which could not exceed 30 miles an hour. Nor were thei even radios or air conditioning." How would you take that? That there were no radios or air conditioning in the cars. "The conflict was fought, by our standards today, with primitive atomic weapons and in primitive space vessels....Nor was there even ship-to-ship visual communication." Would you not take that sentence the same way? No, he wasn't specific. He didn't say only the Romulans didn't have it, but he also didn't say that the Federation had it either. But it was spoken with almost disdain for the lack of technology there was at that time. It was spoken as if the tech did not exist, and I believe that's what he meant. And, since that was in an episode of TOS, the NX Enterprise having the tech is a continuity violation. In my opinion. Clearly, you disagree.


"Primitive atomic weapons": Again, you have called me out on specific and vagueness. No, Spock did not say that torpedoes were not in development, or that the idea wasn't in some back room at Starfleet R&D. He said the war was not fought with them. It was fought with atomic weapons. You say that we can't know if the Federation would have the resources to retrofit their ships or that all the ships could be modified. The Enterprise was modified to fire the torpedoes. Why do you assume the others couldn't be? They all fired the same torpedoes Enterprise had when she left spacedock, so what would prevent them from being modified the same way? And do you honestly think our new allies that we had made, Tellarite, Andorians, even the Vulcans, would not have helped us refit our ships if we had the torpedoes? I site WWII as my example. All the allies banded together, shared resources, and fought the Germans. And Spock also said that "no Human, Romulan, or ally has ever seen the other", which means there were allies and it wasn't just us vs the Romulans. We would have had help. I don't believe resources would have been a problem. But again, I site evidence in Spock's speech, which you ignore as vague. Primitive atomic weapons were used during the war, not photonic torpedoes. Clearly, we disagree.


And, ok, if you want to blame the writers of "The Cage" for the laser/Phaser thing, fine. But the fact that it's in the story (as well as in The Menagerie) means that they upgraded from Lasers to Phasers. If you want to ignore "The Cage" and go from Phase Pistols to Phasers, be my guest. But a laser weapon is different than a phased energy weapon. And if it's called a laser weapon, it's clearly based on laser technology, which is not as powerful as a phased energy weapon. When they brought in the phase pistols, they even compared it to their old laser guns and said it was more powerful. How can you assume that the lasers Pike had were more powerful than phase pistols? The same way I can assume that it's a continuity error, that Archer and crew should have had something more primitive than phase pistols, because it's clearly shown in "The Cage" to be lasers, which is a less advanced tech than Phasers. Again, we clearly disagree.


And if you are going to argue with someone and say they have no facts, then you need facts to back up your arguments. And, yes, we do "know" what has been stated in the body of work. Which is why your "We don't know" means nothing. Why? Because WE DON'T KNOW! It wasn't stated! To assume what you want because "Oh, we just don't know" is rather pointless. I have provided examples, but you refuse to see it because it's about things that "We just don't know". You have provided nothing to me in the canon as evidence that I am wrong. All you have are different interpretations of what I believe. This is why we clearly can not agree, because we are coming at it from different angles and ideas.


Ahh, Kirk, my old friend. Do you know the Klingon proverb which tells us revenge is a dish that is best served cold? It's very cold....in space.

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Report this Jul. 26 2012, 12:08 pm

Quote: JK1701 @ Jul. 26 2012, 8:09 am

>Ok, let's come at this another way, and think about this for a second. If I were to say to you "People once traveled, by our standards today, in primitive automobiles controlled by a single joystick-like apparatus which could not exceed 30 miles an hour. Nor were thei even radios or air conditioning." How would you take that?


Dont you see the difference between your words and Spocks?


You were more specfic about there being no radios, no tech for them, Spocks words were vague, his words dont say no tech.


Had you said no music or stations for the driver to listen to then your words would be as vague as Spocks.


"Nor were thei even radio stations" = "Nor was there even ship-to-ship visual communication." Both of these are vague and can mean the tech was created but not avslible for some reasons.Bottom line,Spock wasn't specific. He said nothing about the capability of the tech for ship to ship communications.


You say you heard "disdain" in Spocks words,and that you "FEEL" it was indended to relay that there was no such tech.......... again I say thats a matter of preception, as in, that is how you took it.And thats fine.But thats not relevent in these kinds of debates.It still was not clearly defined, so it doesnt messure up as a SOLID continuity error.If you are going to claim its a SOLID continuity error it has to be something that everyone can see the same way, not something that relies on a persons point of view.


The Enterprise was modified to fire the torpedoes. Why do you assume the others couldn't be?


Actully the Enterprise was designed with the new techs in mind, as they were likely on the drawing boards around the same timne.So there wouldnt be much retrofitting on the NX case.


And as I said before, I'm not the one making assumptions here, you are.I'm just showing you the flaws in your assumptions.You are claiming a SOLID continuity error based on the assumption that all ships in the fleet should and could be refitted to use the new tech.


Cant you see the error in that assumption?Did we ever see any of these older ships with the new tech?Did they ever mention that the old ships were being refitet, or that they even could be?The answer is NO.


And do you honestly think our new allies that we had made, Tellarite, Andorians, even the Vulcans, would not have helped us refit our ships if we had the torpedoes?


Now this is a better point in your argumernt, but again it relise on the assumption that the ships in question could be refitted.


I see the Tellerites and the Andoriasns as more willing helpers, the Vulcans  in Enterprise era had already proven they werent very willing to help Earth in tech matters.


But either way, even if all 3 races wanted to herlp, if the ships couldnt handel the new tech, then your aregumernt doesnt have a leg to stand on.


When they brought in the phase pistols, they even compared it to their old laser guns and said it was more powerful.


More powerfull then the Lazor pistols of Archers era yes, we casnt be sure the phase pistol was more powerfull then the Lazor pistol of Pikes era.


Again, I'm not the one making assumptions here,you are.I'm just showing you the flaws in your assumptions.You are claiming a SOLID continuity error based on the assumption that Lazor tech weapons  MUST be more primitive to all phased weapon tech. Cant you see the error in that assumption?Were we told within the series that all Lazor tech was more primtive  then all PHASED tech based weapons?


The answer is NO.You say you feel that all Lazor tech is more primitive then all phased tech based on your understanding of the theroies behind them..........but again, as the series never clearly made those defintions, thats a matter of your preception, as in, that is how you took it.And thats fine.But thats not relevent in these kinds of debates.It still was not clearly defined, so it doesnt messure up as a SOLID continuity error.If you are going to claim its a SOLID continuity error it has to be something that everyone can see the same way, not something that relies on a persons point of view.


And if you are going to argue with someone and say they have no facts, then you need facts to back up your arguments.


Thats not true.not in a debate....All I have to do is disdprove what you claim to be a FACT.


For example, you claimed a solid continuity error about the commuincations tech in the NX era based on the facts in Spocks speach.


Well, the facts you claimed were not in the speach in question as I proved.


And, yes, we do "know" what has been stated in the body of work. Which is why your "We don't know" means far more then any of the assumptions you have made based on nothing more then how you precieved certin statements.


Your examples failed to supoport your arguments and assumptions, the facts you claimed were not exsistent.The speach you claimed to take litterally....... LITERALLY failed to help you in any way.


I dont refuse to see it , its not there in a solid way.Yes, I have a different interpertation of things then you do, but I'm not the one stating my interpertation of this is SOLID evidence of a SOLID continuity error.


That is why I say your examples are wrong. Because you are useing one examples that are open to interpertation and calling them solid.


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Report this Jul. 26 2012, 12:31 pm

Fine. You win. Bask in your glory. There are no continuity errors. It all lines up in your world. Enjoy.


Ahh, Kirk, my old friend. Do you know the Klingon proverb which tells us revenge is a dish that is best served cold? It's very cold....in space.

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