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Captain Janeway

guillermo.mejía

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Report this Feb. 14 2012, 4:59 am

The question is: is Janeway the best Starfleet Captain ever produced? Hard to set my bias for Voyager as the weakest show aside, but even so...objectively I wouldn't call her the greatest captain in Starfleet, on technicalities. She did great things and proved a true leader, no doubt, and she upheld the values of the Federation when no one would blame her otherwise, but situations like "Endgame" show me that she could care less about regulations. I mean....it worked out for the best (as far as we can see) in Endgame, but she literaly rewrote 22 years of history just so two people didn't die and a third one didn't get sick from old age.


Again, rewriting 22 years of history for the sake of three people she loved; quite noble but completely unethical. And I'm not talking captain Janeway btw, I mean who she'd become: Admiral Janeway.


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Report this Feb. 14 2012, 4:21 pm

Quote: miklamar @ Feb. 01 2012, 5:56 pm

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>While I think Capt. Janeway was a good captain, I thought she was too laid back to be considered the best captain.  I think Picard was the best captain, but I like Capt. Riker in the post-TNG books.  And, I think Geordi would have made a great captain; too bad he always seemed to be overlooked.

>Can you imagine Worf as a captain in Starfleet?

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 uhh.. worf was a captain in starfleet in first contact. ever watch the movies??  although, janeway is the best.


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Report this Feb. 15 2012, 5:07 am

Quote: W. T. Riker @ Feb. 14 2012, 4:21 pm

Quote: miklamar @ Feb. 01 2012, 5:56 pm

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>While I think Capt. Janeway was a good captain, I thought she was too laid back to be considered the best captain.  I think Picard was the best captain, but I like Capt. Riker in the post-TNG books.  And, I think Geordi would have made a great captain; too bad he always seemed to be overlooked.

>Can you imagine Worf as a captain in Starfleet?

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 uhh.. worf was a captain in starfleet in first contact. ever watch the movies??  although, janeway is the best.

Worf was no Captain in Starfleet. You saw him in Battle of Sector 001 commanding the Defiant, that's true, but he still had his Cmrd. rank, and kept it throughout all movies.


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Report this Feb. 15 2012, 8:38 pm

Quote: W. T. Riker @ Feb. 14 2012, 4:21 pm

> uhh.. worf was a captain in starfleet in first contact. ever watch the movies??  although, janeway is the best.

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Being in command of a ship doesnt meen he held the rank of starfleet captain, which he did not.


ever watch the movies??........look at his rank pins next time.


 

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Report this Feb. 16 2012, 9:16 am

Quote: OneDamnMinuteAdmiral @ Jan. 06 2012, 11:14 am

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>That's true but I gave the edge to Janeway because Archer could be home in a few months to get resupplied and repaired whereas Voyager was looking at a possible 70 year journey all by themselves, luckily it only took 7.

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Kirk would have had the ship back in Alpha by the end of the pilot episode.  Being stuck in the Delta Quadrant is nothing compared with escaping a Klingon prison and saving the Klingon-Federation peace talks.  Add to that Kirk’s pivotal role in helping Goatee-Spock to restructure the alternate universe Federation, his first contact with the Romulans, and, I don’t know, saving the Earth from V’ger and Janeway pales in comparison. 


 


 


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Report this Feb. 17 2012, 5:54 am

Quote: bvbpl @ Feb. 16 2012, 9:16 am

Quote: OneDamnMinuteAdmiral @ Jan. 06 2012, 11:14 am

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>That's true but I gave the edge to Janeway because Archer could be home in a few months to get resupplied and repaired whereas Voyager was looking at a possible 70 year journey all by themselves, luckily it only took 7.

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Kirk would have had the ship back in Alpha by the end of the pilot episode.  Being stuck in the Delta Quadrant is nothing compared with escaping a Klingon prison and saving the Klingon-Federation peace talks.  Add to that Kirk’s pivotal role in helping Goatee-Spock to restructure the alternate universe Federation, his first contact with the Romulans, and, I don’t know, saving the Earth from V’ger and Janeway pales in comparison. 

 

 

Janeway pretty much ended the Borg threat. It took two of her, but still...that's no small potatos. I don't discount her ablities, just her reckless streak.


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Report this Feb. 19 2012, 4:50 am

I think it is incredibly difficult to assess just which captain was the "best" because the writers of the various shows tried to make each captain quite remarkable in his/her own right.


Kirk saved every life on Earth NUMEROUS times. He discovered a ton of new civilzations, always brought his crew back home in one piece, and was crucial in making peace with the Klingons.


Picard was a good diplomat.


Without Sisko, the Federation would not exist and every Human, Vulcan, Andorian, Tellarite, Betazoid, Bajoran, Klingon, and Romulan child would grow up seeing Jem'Hadar soldiers on every street corner.


Janeway became a Federation liaison to tons of new races/species in the Delta Quadrant. And she managed to bring most of her crew back home in one piece (although you really have to chalk that one up to "time travel").


Archer made first contact with a plethora of new races/species in the Alpha Quadrant and almost single-handedly stopped the Xindi from becoming a hugely destructive force throughout the galaxy.


So which captain is best?


Well, personally, I'd go with Kirk. But after that, it's a toss-up.


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Report this Feb. 28 2012, 3:30 am

Janway was a Good Captain but not good enough one for me to follow stright into the Depths of Hell... PErsonally I think Kirk was the Best and if you threw him in The Delta Qudrent he'd do just as good as Janeway if not better

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Report this Feb. 28 2012, 2:07 pm

And guillermo I personally think that all Have done at least one unethical thing so I think we can Give Janeway some leeway there...... And Kirks the only one I'd truley fallow into the darkest depths of hell with

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Report this Mar. 01 2012, 5:56 am

Quote: Kate McCoy @ Feb. 28 2012, 2:07 pm

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>And guillermo I personally think that all Have done at least one unethical thing so I think we can Give Janeway some leeway there...... And Kirks the only one I'd truley fallow into the darkest depths of hell with

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They all have, but Janeway's the only one in my book who didn't suffer a huge emotional blow to sort of humanize and humble the captain.


- Kirk lost his ship and son, a pain he dtill carried three movies later.


- Picard was turned Borg and indirectly facilitated the deaths of thousands. He carries that burden constantly, well past the two-parter and into First Contact.


- Sisko was unlike the others in that he fought a war,did what needed to be done and recognized that he was probably wrong, such as his tactics for getting the Romulans in the war. Plus his demeanor is almost always sullen in my view.


- Archer fought to protect Earth after he experianced millions die in an attack on Florida. We constantly saw him sacrifice everything to defeat the Xindi in season 3.


Janeway had her problems sure. Like the Year of Hell, but everytime something huge happened to her, time travel neatly fixed it. Her attitude in the last episode is "I don't like bad stuff so lets go fix it with time travel". Did Kirk go back in time to save his son? Did Picard go back in time to stop his assimilation? No, they took their pain and made it part of who they were to continue on.


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Report this Mar. 01 2012, 6:21 am

Quote: guillermo.mejía @ Mar. 01 2012, 5:56 am

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>Did Kirk go back in time to save his son? Did Picard go back in time to stop his assimilation? No, they took their pain and made it part of who they were to continue on.

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Maybe Janeway was a follower of Sybok so she liked taking her pain away.


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Report this Mar. 01 2012, 7:27 am

Quote: OneDamnMinuteAdmiral @ Mar. 01 2012, 6:21 am

Quote: guillermo.mejía @ Mar. 01 2012, 5:56 am

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>Did Kirk go back in time to save his son? Did Picard go back in time to stop his assimilation? No, they took their pain and made it part of who they were to continue on.

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Maybe Janeway was a follower of Sybok so she liked taking her pain away.

I wouldn't doubt it.


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Report this Mar. 01 2012, 6:07 pm

I know it's not Canon but in one book Janeway becomes the borg queen then she dies.... That's a Pretty big blow if yuo ask me

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Report this Mar. 02 2012, 5:17 am

She's better than Sulu, but not more experienced than Picard or Kirk. She violated the Temporal Prime Directive which, by that fact, there was no 30th Century intervention and she was promoted to Admiral after getting back to the Alpha Quadrant because of her future self's criminal act of bringing undiscovered technology back to the 24th Century. No, she's not the best captain ever. She's the female version of Kirk which is itself a good thing.

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Report this Mar. 02 2012, 5:17 am

Quote: Kate McCoy @ Mar. 01 2012, 6:07 pm

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>I know it's not Canon but in one book Janeway becomes the borg queen then she dies.... That's a Pretty big blow if yuo ask me

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It is, no denying it. But the books don't count in this discussion for me. I'm basing myself on what we know of each captain from their canon appearances.


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