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Captain Janeway

OneDamnMinuteAdmiral

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Report this Jan. 03 2012, 7:05 pm

When you take into account what we are presented with onscreen (whether you agree or not) doesn't Janeway getting a lone ship through the Delta quadrant while fighting off enemies, still taking time to explore new worlds, and did it all with no federation and starfleet support make her the greatest captain starfleet has ever produced?


1) Janeway
2) Archer
3) Kirk
4) Picard
5) Sisko 


I know a lot of people will gripe about this since there seems to be a lot of hate for Janeway, and yes there were some inconsistent things on the show, but in the universe of Trek she really did go where noone had gone before and performed above and beyond.


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Report this Jan. 03 2012, 9:54 pm

I'd serve under her


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Report this Jan. 03 2012, 11:43 pm

Quote: OneDamnMinuteAdmiral @ Jan. 03 2012, 7:05 pm

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>When you take into account what we are presented with onscreen (whether you agree or not) doesn't Janeway getting a lone ship through the Delta quadrant while fighting off enemies, still taking time to explore new worlds, and did it all with no federation and starfleet support make her the greatest captain starfleet has ever produced?

>1) Janeway
2) Archer
3) Kirk
4) Picard
5) Sisko 

>I know a lot of people will gripe about this since there seems to be a lot of hate for Janeway, and yes there were some inconsistent things on the show, but in the universe of Trek she really did go where noone had gone before and performed above and beyond.

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I absolutely agree with your Janeway sentiments. Not only that, I believe she embodied the spirit of the Federation, Startfleet, and humanity more than any other captain. Honestly, is ST was real, I would serve under any of the captains, but Janeway is the only one I'd follow blindly into hell itself.


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Report this Jan. 04 2012, 4:32 pm

I would agree with you as well OneDamnMinute....in that order as well. Janeway was the lone Star Fleet captain in the Delta Quadrant and she managed to keep the crew together. 


Archer because he was the "first" captain and though he had support he and his crew were the ones to face the new faces of the galaxy a lot of which were hostile.


At first I didn't agree with Kirk as 3rd but further thought made me agree with you and Picard and Sisko in my opinion are obvious.


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Report this Jan. 05 2012, 12:33 am

Quote: Reedworftripparis @ Jan. 04 2012, 4:32 pm

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>I would agree with you as well OneDamnMinute....in that order as well. Janeway was the lone Star Fleet captain in the Delta Quadrant and she managed to keep the crew together. 

>Archer because he was the "first" captain and though he had support he and his crew were the ones to face the new faces of the galaxy a lot of which were hostile.

>At first I didn't agree with Kirk as 3rd but further thought made me agree with you and Picard and Sisko in my opinion are obvious.

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I have several friends that I have convinced that Janeway is the best as well. She doesn't have to be your favorite to be the best....though she's both to me.


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Report this Jan. 06 2012, 1:36 am

Toss up nbetween Janeway and Archer.  Janeway was awesome, but Archer when into hugeley unknown territory, with the least amount of technology than most of those he faced, a primitive universal translater, crappy shields, primitive transporters and weapons and only warp 5 capabilities, practically no suppot from other vessels should they get stranded.


Enterprise and Voayger have many parallels.


 

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Report this Jan. 06 2012, 11:14 am

Quote: T'adam @ Jan. 06 2012, 1:36 am

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>Toss up nbetween Janeway and Archer.  Janeway was awesome, but Archer when into hugeley unknown territory, with the least amount of technology than most of those he faced, a primitive universal translater, crappy shields, primitive transporters and weapons and only warp 5 capabilities, practically no suppot from other vessels should they get stranded.

>Enterprise and Voayger have many parallels.

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That's true but I gave the edge to Janeway because Archer could be home in a few months to get resupplied and repaired whereas Voyager was looking at a possible 70 year journey all by themselves, luckily it only took 7.
And yes you say he had "practically" no support but he still did have support just limited because of how far they had went verses speed of the ships. It's why Archer came in second, from an in-universe standpoint he had the hardest missions considering he was relatively close to home at that time.


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Report this Jan. 06 2012, 12:50 pm

Quote: OneDamnMinuteAdmiral @ Jan. 06 2012, 11:14 am

Quote: T'adam @ Jan. 06 2012, 1:36 am

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>Toss up nbetween Janeway and Archer.  Janeway was awesome, but Archer when into hugeley unknown territory, with the least amount of technology than most of those he faced, a primitive universal translater, crappy shields, primitive transporters and weapons and only warp 5 capabilities, practically no suppot from other vessels should they get stranded.

>Enterprise and Voayger have many parallels.

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That's true but I gave the edge to Janeway because Archer could be home in a few months to get resupplied and repaired whereas Voyager was looking at a possible 70 year journey all by themselves, luckily it only took 7.
And yes you say he had "practically" no support but he still did have support just limited because of how far they had went verses speed of the ships. It's why Archer came in second, from an in-universe standpoint he had the hardest missions considering he was relatively close to home at that time.


 


I completely agree.


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Report this Jan. 06 2012, 1:04 pm

I adore Captain Janeway.  And while obviously I do think she is the best (lol)

The other captains each have their own strong points, their own strengths and weaknesses.


Janeway is my favorite.. for a lot of reasons.  Kirk would be a very close 2nd  

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Report this Jan. 06 2012, 2:29 pm

Quote: OneDamnMinuteAdmiral @ Jan. 06 2012, 11:14 am

Quote: T'adam @ Jan. 06 2012, 1:36 am

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>Toss up nbetween Janeway and Archer.  Janeway was awesome, but Archer when into hugeley unknown territory, with the least amount of technology than most of those he faced, a primitive universal translater, crappy shields, primitive transporters and weapons and only warp 5 capabilities, practically no suppot from other vessels should they get stranded.

>Enterprise and Voayger have many parallels.

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That's true but I gave the edge to Janeway because Archer could be home in a few months to get resupplied and repaired whereas Voyager was looking at a possible 70 year journey all by themselves, luckily it only took 7.
And yes you say he had "practically" no support but he still did have support just limited because of how far they had went verses speed of the ships. It's why Archer came in second, from an in-universe standpoint he had the hardest missions considering he was relatively close to home at that time.


 


Oh i agree, Janeway is the better.  Im just saying that there are so many parallels between where they were at that time in there history.  janway had more of an understanding of space/science.  Archer went had to go into it blind so so much more to learn.  On the other hand Janeway was in a new region of space.  Hence parallels.

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Report this Jan. 06 2012, 2:29 pm

Quote: OneDamnMinuteAdmiral @ Jan. 06 2012, 11:14 am

Quote: T'adam @ Jan. 06 2012, 1:36 am

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>Toss up nbetween Janeway and Archer.  Janeway was awesome, but Archer when into hugeley unknown territory, with the least amount of technology than most of those he faced, a primitive universal translater, crappy shields, primitive transporters and weapons and only warp 5 capabilities, practically no suppot from other vessels should they get stranded.

>Enterprise and Voayger have many parallels.

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That's true but I gave the edge to Janeway because Archer could be home in a few months to get resupplied and repaired whereas Voyager was looking at a possible 70 year journey all by themselves, luckily it only took 7.
And yes you say he had "practically" no support but he still did have support just limited because of how far they had went verses speed of the ships. It's why Archer came in second, from an in-universe standpoint he had the hardest missions considering he was relatively close to home at that time.


 


Oh i agree, Janeway is the better.  Im just saying that there are so many parallels between where they were at that time in there history.  janway had more of an understanding of space/science.  Archer went had to go into it blind so so much more to learn.  On the other hand Janeway was in a new region of space.  Hence parallels.

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Report this Jan. 06 2012, 2:40 pm

Quote: T'adam @ Jan. 06 2012, 2:29 pm

Quote: OneDamnMinuteAdmiral @ Jan. 06 2012, 11:14 am

Quote: T'adam @ Jan. 06 2012, 1:36 am

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>Toss up nbetween Janeway and Archer.  Janeway was awesome, but Archer when into hugeley unknown territory, with the least amount of technology than most of those he faced, a primitive universal translater, crappy shields, primitive transporters and weapons and only warp 5 capabilities, practically no suppot from other vessels should they get stranded.

>Enterprise and Voayger have many parallels.

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That's true but I gave the edge to Janeway because Archer could be home in a few months to get resupplied and repaired whereas Voyager was looking at a possible 70 year journey all by themselves, luckily it only took 7.
And yes you say he had "practically" no support but he still did have support just limited because of how far they had went verses speed of the ships. It's why Archer came in second, from an in-universe standpoint he had the hardest missions considering he was relatively close to home at that time.

 

Oh i agree, Janeway is the better.  Im just saying that there are so many parallels between where they were at that time in there history.  janway had more of an understanding of space/science.  Archer went had to go into it blind so so much more to learn.  On the other hand Janeway was in a new region of space.  Hence parallels.


I can handle that. 


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Report this Feb. 01 2012, 5:56 pm

While I think Capt. Janeway was a good captain, I thought she was too laid back to be considered the best captain.  I think Picard was the best captain, but I like Capt. Riker in the post-TNG books.  And, I think Geordi would have made a great captain; too bad he always seemed to be overlooked.


Can you imagine Worf as a captain in Starfleet?


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Report this Feb. 12 2012, 1:09 pm

Quote: miklamar @ Feb. 01 2012, 5:56 pm

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>While I think Capt. Janeway was a good captain, I thought she was too laid back to be considered the best captain.  I think Picard was the best captain, but I like Capt. Riker in the post-TNG books.  And, I think Geordi would have made a great captain; too bad he always seemed to be overlooked.

>Can you imagine Worf as a captain in Starfleet?

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Worf would make a great wartime Captain and we got glimpses of that on DS9.


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Report this Feb. 13 2012, 4:27 pm

Yes, the first three are my favorite captains, but, given the op's parameters, I would have to at the very least place it as a tie between Janeway and Kirk, but a near one, on Kathryn's side, given her position as the only captain(excluding Rudy Ransom) in the Delta Quadrant, and having saved her ship and crew from numerous threats, such as the Borg, and the Vidiians over seven years, which saw more triumphs, as tradgedies. 'Heroes aren't born, they are made', it's been said, and the one in which she found herself certainly did that-though, referencing Ransom once more, still, one needs to look at the material of the one acheiving greatness. Janeway had the qualities she needed-determination, and loyalty, required to see her crew home. But, there was more; she loved them, they were as much family as her own blood. This inspired a deep, eternal loyalty, including the former Maquis, such as B'Elanna, who once were so furious at her for making the difficult choice which stranded them in the DQ. Eps such as ''Barge of the Dead'' well exemplify this, specifically as Lanna emerges from her 'sleep', and she embraces Kathryn. But, James Kirk is, even in Janeway's time, lauded for his acheivements. She herself admitted the appeal of 'riding shotgun' with Kirk and co in ''Flashback''-and respected even by those foes who lived beyond him, such as Kor. 'living legend' definitely applied in his day. He saved, with the Enterprise crew, Earth several times, among his many triumphs. But, as with Kathryn, his camraderie with his crew, certainly his commmand crew, was evident early on. He was relateable, down-to-earth, not afraid to take life not always seriously. And officers like Hikaru Sulu(Seen in his speech to Tuvok in ''Flashback'') showed well how his loyalty was returned......There is Jonathan Archer, as well, who was the first for so much. He went on, if one counts the not-easy-to see bio on a computer screen in Mirror Archer's quarters aboard the Defiant in ''Mirror, Darkly, P II", to even higher levels of sucess, and acclaim, as was begun as aiding so chiefly in the building of what became the Federation. Historically, noone can take that from him. And yes, he, too, was very much earning loyalty from those like Trip, T'Pol, or Reed, and the others. Well, every st crew has done that, this is part of why we love st, for the fact of these Families, on every series.....But, one cannot discount the greatness of Jean-Luc Picard, who, after seeming the most aloof of the captains, began to 'come down'from the seperateness of the captaincy over time. He was a consummate peacemaker, a voice of reason, a seeker of options besides conflict..but, he could scrap with the best of them-particularly against the Borg, the UFP's greatest threat of all to date. He and his also saved not only Earth, but the entire Federation from assimilation, twice.....And there is Ben Sisko, who was the soldier/diplomat, the vanguard in the fight against the Dominion, and the 'chosen one', spiritually, for an entire race. He made choices that most would have fled from, and lived with them, even as his longago colleague did aboard the NX -01, in order to save humanity from what becmae the true threat behind the Xindi. SO....one can find greatness in all these....and it's not hard to do so.


''If I were captain, i'd open every crack in the universe, and peek inside, just like Captain Janeway does''-Kes, ''The Cloud''

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