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Ghostmojo

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Report this Jan. 20 2012, 4:51 pm

Quote: Antoninus Pius @ Jan. 09 2012, 3:10 am

>He could not be any worse than any other US President. Seriously, you guys have dogs of leaders. The last worthy of respect was Eisenhower. The rest have been a disgraceful rabble. Including a failed B movie actor and a simpleton son of another President, who then set the world in turmoil. You know it is interesting, for many years I respected America. All through childhood, adoloscence and early adulthood I respected America. Since W was voted to a second term I have held America in contempt. I wish this were not so. And Republicans are the worst of the worst. I equate them with National Socialists. Can you guys do something about this sorry situation? I am uncomfortable feeling this way toward America. Cheers.


As another non-American I agree with you to a large extent, but you have to watch the process at work to see why they get the end results they do. The whole convention/nomination trail/bandwagon thing has little to do with policy or substance. It has to do with reinforcing stereotypes and prejudices. It has to do with partying and pizzazz. It has to do with standing on a rostrum in front of a carefully selected blend of photogenic ethnic groups, with the correct levels of kids and geriatrics - all this in front of a largely vetted audience who are more in the mindset of a pop concert than a political gathering. And of course the whole TV slots propaganda where they slag each other off is about as close as you can get to the Machiavelian black arts of politics as you care to these days. Murdoch and Fox News and their ilk have a lot to do with this sordid and dirty process.


Regarding the big cheese - I wouldn't go back quite as far as Ike for inspiration either. Carter was a decent, humble, caring and intelligent man - unfortunately overtaken by events. Raygun Ronnie Reagan was a moron and a crook and should have been lynched for the whole Contra saga, and yes the Bushes were a disgrace especially junior. It is frightening to outsiders just how many Americans took him seriously. But with so few of them travelling outside the US and having dialogue outside of the heartland - what can you expect? More mature political analysis immediately sees him as puerile, anti-intellectual and embarrassing. But what would the intellectual greats like Jefferson, Hamilton and Franklin have made of even weirder headcases like Sarah Palin and parasites like Mitt Romney?


But you shouldn't hold America in contempt. Its political classes and shockingly perverse right-wing media are to blame. Americans as people seem to me to still be respectful and hospitable types - eager to please.


The American political experiment somehow got frozen in aspic to me. The endless gong-banging rhetoric of it being the greatest democracy in the world and how everybody else outside is envious etc. merely hides the real truth that it is far from that in reality. There is something immediately undemocratic about voting for somebody who is both head of state and head of government all rolled into one. I can't think of any other western democracy that has that going on. And once in the guy selects his own cabinet from whomever. That is executive power gone bonkers.


America needs to continue to develop its political model. Looking to similar federal European countries might help. Having a Prime Minister as well as a President would make a lot of sense to me. In 1783 the idea was to replace a king with and elected leader - but in essence the power shift was just completely from one individual to another ...


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Report this Jan. 20 2012, 9:08 pm

I think we had good presidents since Eisenhower, such as Reagen.


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Report this Jan. 21 2012, 3:14 am

Quote: clover_data @ Jan. 20 2012, 9:08 pm

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>I think we had good presidents since Eisenhower, such as Reagen.

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With the greatest respect, you really need to qualify that remark. It is easy to say we like something. Anybody can do that. But you should be prepared to justify it - and BTW it was Reagan.


What was good about him?


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Report this Jan. 21 2012, 10:34 am

Quote: Ghostmojo @ Jan. 21 2012, 3:14 am

Quote: clover_data @ Jan. 20 2012, 9:08 pm

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>I think we had good presidents since Eisenhower, such as Reagen.

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With the greatest respect, you really need to qualify that remark. It is easy to say we like something. Anybody can do that. But you should be prepared to justify it - and BTW it was Reagan.

What was good about him?


Well (one of his favorite words), he communicated in a way that convinced the public that the government was not theirs.  It was some alien force that ruined everything by its intrusionon everyone's lives.


The truth though is that the government is supposed to be "of the people".  So to say the government is in our way, is saying we are in our own way.  We are in our own way when we believe people like Reagan.  He began the deregulation process that produced today's mess.  Regulations are meant to protect the people - not corporations.


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Report this Jan. 22 2012, 10:22 pm

Well... You had a guy who played dumb cowboys in movies (Reagan), and at least one real life dumb cowboy (Bush Jr.) And Data has been a whole gang of dumb cowboys (A Fistful of Datas). So by that reckoning, perhaps he is eligible.


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Report this Jan. 23 2012, 5:33 am

Quote: OtakuJo @ Jan. 22 2012, 10:22 pm

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>Well... You had a guy who played dumb cowboys in movies (Reagan), and at least one real life dumb cowboy (Bush Jr.) And Data has been a whole gang of dumb cowboys (A Fistful of Datas). So by that reckoning, perhaps he is eligible.

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Report this Jan. 24 2012, 5:13 pm

He makes fairly good judgement calls, moves fast, remembers everything and click his emotions off by turning his head.  Sounds good to me...better than what we usually get.


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Report this Jan. 26 2012, 5:12 pm

As an android, he never needs to sleep!  And, as Ghostmojo says, he cannot lie.


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Report this Jan. 27 2012, 9:45 am

I'd rather have Spock in 2012.



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Report this Feb. 02 2012, 4:00 am

LOL Well, from what we've seen of them, I don't think either Data or Spock could do much worse than what the US/the world usually gets for the US president. They may have their faults, too, but who doesn´t? Honesty, logic and "knowing what you're talking about" are certainly desirable traits for a president.


Not being a US native or resident, I wouldn't care so much about what you Americans do for politics - if only you kept it within your own country. The problem is that the US politics have such influence on the rest of the world as well. And though there have been many instances where their influence has been beneficial, of lately it seems they are merely messing things up beyond belief.


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Report this May. 13 2012, 12:34 pm

The churchill of presence

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Report this May. 21 2012, 10:08 am

Quote: xXLadyDataXx @ Jan. 03 2012, 8:11 pm

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>I believe Data will definitely make a good president for one he's intellectual and two he knows how to take command =D

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As long as he uses Lincoln as an example and not Obama


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Report this May. 21 2012, 4:13 pm

Data would be ok but if it was Odo vs Data= Odo!!!!!!


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Report this May. 21 2012, 5:13 pm

Quote: DATAWORFfantotally @ May. 21 2012, 10:08 am

Quote: xXLadyDataXx @ Jan. 03 2012, 8:11 pm

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>I believe Data will definitely make a good president for one he's intellectual and two he knows how to take command =D

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As long as he uses Lincoln as an example and not Obama


I definietly agree with you on that. Plus Data is honest and keeps his word unlike Obama 


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Report this May. 21 2012, 6:54 pm

I could actually see Data give the Shermanesque statement.


"If nominated I will not run, if elected I will not serve."


or


"If I was forced to choose between the penitentiary and White House for four years, I would say the penitentiary, thank you."


But he'd certainly be better than Obama or Romney... though that statement doesn't mean much. I'll be voting for Gary Johnson.


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