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Seeing DS9 for the first time

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Report this Feb. 18 2012, 4:37 am

Quote: Data Logan @ Feb. 17 2012, 8:26 pm

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class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;">Big questions that DS9 deals with; unlike any other Star Trek

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TNG did deal with the Maquis somewhat, although not as much as DS9.

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Report this Feb. 19 2012, 7:38 am

THE WIRE: Fair


I was looking forward to this episode. It revolves around my favoite character, Garak (Nog is good too but we never see him any more). The episode disappointed me a little. The majority of it was spent with Dr. Bashir chasing Garak around the station trying to treat him for his pain. It didn't get to any of the main premise until the final 10 minutes.


Perhaps re-visiting Garak's recovery will be more interesting.


Jim

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Report this Feb. 19 2012, 7:43 am

Sorry to go off-subject but I saw the movie This Means War over the weekend. It is the new comedy/action movie with Chris Pine, Tom Hardy and Reese Witherspoon.


It was ok. I felt Tom was the best actor of the bunch. I actually came home and re-watched Nemesis (the movie). My wife and daughter (who don't like Trek) agreed that Tom Hardy looks nothing like Patrick Stewart.


I disliked Nemesis a lot when it came out. I see it every once in a while. I'm nto as hard on it as I used to be but still don't like it that much. They had an excellent premise in the whole nature vs nurture thing. They just didn't wrap very good dialogue around that subject. Nothing really made you think about it. The conversation with Data and Picard in Stellar Cartography summed up the disappointment...Data said, "B-4 has my memories but he is not me". Well, why?


Jim

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Report this Feb. 19 2012, 9:14 am

Quote: enhancesys @ Feb. 19 2012, 7:43 am

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>Data said, "B-4 has my memories but he is not me". Well, why?

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His specific words were "The B-4 is physically identical to me, though his neural pathways are not as advanced. But even if they were, he would not be me. I aspire, sir, to be more than I am. B-4 does not, nor does Shinzon."


B-4 isn't Data because he doesn't think and rationalize the same way Data does. If he received the same neural pathways Data had and successfully integrated Data's memories into his own, then he would be identical to Data (though he still wouldn't be Data, per say).


I like "The Wire", too, but I think "Improbable Cause/The Die is Cast" and "In Purgatory's Shadow/By Inferno's Light" are the best Garak episodes.


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Report this Feb. 19 2012, 9:35 am


“The Wire” Yeah, we did spend a lot of time with the lies and didn’t learn too many truths at all, and all of them at the end. 


Garak’s first name: Elim


Confirmation that Garak had been in the Obsidian Order


That he has some strained relationship with Enabran Tain


Tid-bit: First episode of DS9 to be directed by a woman


Liitle too much of Bashir being a good doctor (although it’s great to see Bashir and Garak talk) and not enough of the actual implications of Garak being out-ed as an Obsidian Oder agent.  We didn’t get to see Odo interrogate Garak, for instance.

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Report this Feb. 21 2012, 5:02 pm

CROSSOVER: Fair


This is another somewhat disappointing episode. After watching mirror episodes from TOS and ENT, I was expecting a lot more "mirror" than what this had. There were no agonizers or torture booths...or nothing similar in mean-ness.


The DS9 mirror people were downright nice compared to the others. Nobody challenged authority or assissinated to move forward. Everyone stayed completely in line. People were actually appreciated for their contribution. Quark was the only one who seemed a remote mirror of himself.


Jim

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Report this Feb. 21 2012, 5:40 pm

Quote: enhancesys @ Feb. 21 2012, 5:02 pm

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>The DS9 mirror people were downright nice compared to the others. Nobody challenged authority or assissinated to move forward. Everyone stayed completely in line. People were actually appreciated for their contribution. Quark was the only one who seemed a remote mirror of himself.

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Garak wanted to assassinate Kira. But other than that, I mostly agree. In my opinion, killing off the Terran Empire was the worst mistake they could have made with the mirror episodes because Klingons and Cardassians come up a lot in the near future, so the mirror universe isn't actually that different.


However, I think the "nice" mirror people were actually worse than the "brutal" ones. As Bashir put it, "You're already dead. I'm sorry you don't see that"  which further reveals that the Terrans have almost accepted their place as slaves...which I think is just as bad as, if not worse than, being tortured and brutalized. The worst kind of torture isn't always physical.


"The future is in the hands of those who explore... And from all the beauty they discover while crossing perpetually receding frontiers, they develop for nature and for humankind an infinite love." - Jacques Yves Cousteau

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Report this Feb. 27 2012, 3:04 pm

THE COLLABORATOR: Good


In this episode, Bajor is ont he verge of picking their new spiritual leader...the Kai(sp).  Major Kira's lover is the favored one but there is another that is not very nice that may get it.


I think the story arc on Bajor and its religion is interesting.  The 2 actors playing the compating Vediks are compelling.


Anyway, some "dirt" is uncovered on the Kira's lover so he has to step down.  The evil Kai takes over.  It turns out, Vedic did nothing wrong but was covering up for someone else.


Jim

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Report this Feb. 27 2012, 4:16 pm

Did you notice the "evil Vedek" (Winn) is the same one from "In the Hands of the Prophets"?


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Report this Feb. 27 2012, 9:32 pm


I liked how the writers allowed Opaka Sulan to be seen as a little flawed.  Although she’s not in the show any more, having been stranded on a planet in the Gamma Quadrant sort of, I really liked the character.  Great spiritual leader.  Wise, caring, and good.


Of course, I also really liked Winn Adami.  Who was every bit the opposite kind of religious leader.  Ignorant, selfish, and manipulative.  Winn can always be trusted to do what she thought was best for Bajor as a whole, as long as it was also good for her own desires for power.  Love to hate her!


I’m still a little disappointed with Jim’s ratings.  He’s still just saying episodes like this are only “Good”.  At least Jim seems to like the Bajoran political and religious stories that I like.

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Report this Feb. 28 2012, 6:23 am

Logon,


No need to be disappointed. DS9 is comparing very favorably in episode ratings against other Star Trek series for seasons 1 and 2. I stated that earlier. I just want them to use what they have better. They tried a new idea (space station) which is good. Taking chances is good. Just don't make it a bunch of bottle shows. When they use Bajor as a theme and actually travel a little they do quite well.


I just haven't seen a Great episode yet like City on the Edge of Forever. However, it is season 2. That is early for a great episode. TNG didn't get Great until Season 3 with Best of Both Worlds and I loved TNG.


I fully epxect to hit some Great episodes later.


Jim

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Report this Mar. 04 2012, 7:33 pm

JEM HADAR: Very Good


In this episode Sisko takes Jake to the Gamma quadrant for a school assignment.  It was also meant to be a chance for them to spend some time together one-on-one.  Unfortunately for him, Quark and Nog come along.


It started off a little slow.  It actually got a little creepy at the camp fire as Sisko got practically nose-to-nose with Jake when they had a father/son moment.


The Jem Hadar show up and take Sisko and Quark prisoner.  They are held there with another prisoner who has telekinetic powers.


Back at DS9 they are visited by a Jem Hadar giving the Federation a warning to stay on their side of the wormhole.  DS9 gets help from a galaxy-class ship named Odyssey.  They decide to go to the Gamma Quadrant to rescure Sisko and Quark. 


In the meantime, Jake and Nog made it back to the ship and are trying to figure out how to pilot it back.


The Odyssey and some runabouts comes and rescues them all but gets destroyed.  I guess this starts out the whole thing with the Dominion.


The prisoner with telekinesis turns out to be something called a Founder.  I dont recall that term being mentioned yet so I dont know what that is.


I guess it is on to Season 3.


Jim

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Report this Mar. 04 2012, 8:02 pm

Glad you enjoyed "The Jem'Hadar", but you apparently missed "Tribunal". That one was good as well.


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Report this Mar. 05 2012, 5:26 am

AACK! Mitch, you are right. I forgot to post my review of Tribunal. My work has been keeping me VERY busy recently. You may have noticed I haven't been postign as often recently.


Thanks for the heads up!


Jim

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Report this Mar. 05 2012, 5:31 am

TRIBUNAL: Good


First, I want to say that DS9 continues to show a general episode quality that is consistently high. There are lots of good episodes and just a few clunkers. Nice job! I think the story arcs and story lines are very good.


They are now often going places which is making things better. I just haven't warmed up to the characters yet. That is still keeping me from being a big fan (Yet!).


Anyway, in Tribunal, O'Brien and Keiko are going on a vacation. O'Brien is captured by the Cardassians and Keiko is sent back to DS9. O'Brien is not told of his crime. We now get to see more about what kind of race the Cardassians are which is interesting.


Back on DS9 they manage to piece together what O'Brien was arrested for and how he was framed. I wont ruin it for anyone but it was a decent twist. O'Brien is tortured but leaves an indellible mark on Cardassian society.


Jim

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