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Seeing DS9 for the first time

enhancesys

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Report this Feb. 08 2012, 5:22 pm

Logan,


I hear you but our different tastes also makes it fun. When I hear the perspective of others on certain episodes I will go back and see it again and give it another try.


I saw on another board where someone didn't like TNG Inner Light. I could not believe it! That is the like the greatest tv episode of all time! How can you not like that story? To each his own.


I really like first contact episodes. Those types of episodes are consistently interesting...TNG First Contact, TNG Who Watches the Watchers, TNG Masterpiece Society, ENT Carbon Creek, ENT Civilization and ENT North Star.


I also find that each series ends up with great story episodes and great action episodes...TOS City on the Edge of Forever and Balance of Terror, TNG Inner Light and Best of Both Worlds. ENT Carbon Creek and Expanse. VOY Year of Hell and Living Witness. I am eager to see what great episodes DS9 ends up having. I don't think I have seen them yet though Paradise and Duet are strong.


Keep reading and keep posting. When we disagree then we can talk about it.


Thanks!


Jim

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Report this Feb. 08 2012, 5:25 pm

...and my taste changes as I get older. When I was younger I hated TOS Piece of the Action. Star Trek is supposed to be about serious issues! This was campy.


Now that I am older I realize what fun that episode is. So, when Paris and Kim were playing Captain Proton in VOY I actually liked it.


Jim

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Report this Feb. 10 2012, 10:02 am

SHADOWPLAY: Good


In this episode, Odo and Dax go to investigate a planet with some strange readings. There, they find a small group of people in which individuals are disappearing.


Through some investigative work they find the community is a hologram and only 1 person is real. They constructed the community to deal with the loss of their family.


People are disappearing because the holographic generator is failing. The people are told what they are and they agree to a reboot to fix the problem. They do not find out that one of them is real.


It is another play on "are artificial people real life-forms?". The idea has been explored a lot but this was a nice twist. I liked this episode. I even think I may have seen it during first-run.


Jim

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Report this Feb. 10 2012, 10:06 am

PLAYING GOD: Not Good to Fair


In this episode, Dax is testing a trill for being a host. Dax struggles with how to evaluate. There is a sub-plot of a micro-universe growing on DS9 and threatening to destroy the station.


I really didn't find this episode very engaging. The most interesting part was that we are learning more about Dax...and they are conveying her as being a bit wild. That is 2 episodes in a row in which she is part of the primary story. It is about time. I'm just not sure I buy a "loose" Dax.


Jim

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Report this Feb. 10 2012, 10:17 am

If you think Dax is wild now, just wait.


I actually liked "Playing God", at least more than "Shadowplay". The latter just seemed kinda pointless.


You're now leaving DS9's cluster of crappy episodes. On to the epic ones.


"The future is in the hands of those who explore... And from all the beauty they discover while crossing perpetually receding frontiers, they develop for nature and for humankind an infinite love." - Jacques Yves Cousteau

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Report this Feb. 11 2012, 5:11 pm


As a whole, the episode “Playing God” was kind of meh.  But it had a lot of interesting parts.


The main story just fizzled out.  Because the writers shiftedg the main story from the proto-universe to the Trill storyline.  So the questions brought up by the proto-universe were never really answered.  But it did bring up some interesting discussion.  I like how Kira says, “let’s just kill this other universe”, and Odo says “I don’t even step on ants”.  Interesting take on the two characters.


I like how Dax is portrayed.  In the first season she was a lofty old woman type.  Now she’s an experienced galaxy traveler who is enjoying her new life in a young body.  Even (possibly) having a sex life!?  I like this Dax.  And Dax is still good friends with Sisko.  The only person that calls him Benjamin, vice Commander or Sir.


And the use of continuing storylines.


Having to deal with voles.  Cheesy, I know, but a real problem, where the solution doesn’t come so easy or even in one episode. The Cardassian O’Brien talked to will show up again.


Julian giving O’Brien a flute, a continuation of their budding friendship.


 Jake dating a dabo girl, mentioned in an earlier episode, now continued in this episode.  And she will show up again.

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Report this Feb. 13 2012, 5:21 am

PROFIT AND LOSS: Fair


In this episode, a trio of Cardassians come on to the station who happen to be political activists.  The Cardassian military is after them.  Quark also happens to love one of them.


The political story never develops that far.  The 2 most interesting parts of this story is that you get to see Quark in love...doing things that bring no profit. 


You also get to see Garak...which is good.  However, I feel they revealed too much about him all at once and now the mystery feels gone from his character.  I hope they hadle him well moving forward because he is an excellent character.


Jim

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Report this Feb. 13 2012, 11:45 am

This episode ("Profit and Loss") did reveal a little much about Garak's political leanings. He seems obviously to be siding with the underground. Even enough to kill a guy that he "rather liked". It is the first time we've seen Garak kill.

But I wouldn't worry that too much has been revealed about Garak. He remains the most interesting and complex character. We've known from his first episode that he has some connections in Caradassian society, seen here to be more extensive than previously seen, but we still don't know exactly how far his connections go. And although he seems to be siding with the underground, at least for now, we still don't know how far we can trust him. There's still plenty to learn about Garak. Just wait for the episode "The Wire".

And even by the end of the show, there remains plenty we never learn about Garak. Andrew J. Robinson even wrote a 400-page book filled with the Garak backstory that never made it to the screen. It's called "A Stitch in Time." Great book to read after you finish the series and you still want more Garak. Because you will still want more Garak.

I liked Natima Lang. And I thought she and Quark were interesting together. I was disappointed that she never came back on screen. Although the Cardassian dissident movement / underground sure did. Another one of those long story arcs. Even Odo is supporting the dissident movement. Maybe they have a chance for real change in Cardassian society.

Even a little bit of a call-back to Aamin Marritza from the great episode "Duet", another Cardassian trying to change the society for the better.

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Report this Feb. 15 2012, 1:14 pm

BLOOD OATH: Good


In this episode, 3 Klingons team up with Dax for vengence against an old foe that killed their family members. 


The story is ok but the real interesting part of this episode are the actors and the conflict with Dax.  The 3 Klingons are played by the original actors in the Original Series; Michael Ansara as Kang (TOS - Day of the Dove), John Colicos as Kor (TOS - Errand of Mercy) and William Campbell as Koloth (TOS - Trouble with Tribbles).  Campbell also played Trelane in Squire of Gothos.  Ansara has been all over science fiction tv shows.  He has a great big presence and voice.


The conflict is Dax is that a previous host made a blood oath for revenge to kill this foe that Jadzia feels compelled to uphold.


Again, the story is ok...the fight action is pretty good...but seeing those 3 guys on Star Trek again is PRICELESS!


Jim

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Report this Feb. 15 2012, 9:18 pm

Jadzia Dax killing for the first time seems like it should have been a bigger thing. But we already knew from the earlier episode "Dax" that she has strong urges to follow through with commitments that previous hosts have made. And that Jadzia has a tendency to give in to those previous host urges. (More than an average host? It's not clear.)

It ends up being a bigger deal to me when she turned a little more playful (in "Playing God") than her turning a little more vengeful in this episode ("Blood Oath").

I was also a little disappointed that it was again a situation made by Curzon that Jadzia was dealing with. (As of this time) we know of 5 other hosts of Dax prior to Curzon. Didn't any of them leave legacies for Jadzia to run into? All we seem to hear about is Curzon's influence on Dax. Like his fun, unconventional attitude, womanizing, dealings with Klingons, kicking people out of the initiate program, even his love of steamed azna and raktajino.

Interesting how Sisko was against Dax going off and killing for the Blood Oath, yet apparently doesn't do anything to her (except give her a stern look across Ops). Maybe he still looks up to her a bit as a mentor and didn't feel right smacking her down for these actions.

Also, I love Odo's "Klingon afternoon"

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Report this Feb. 17 2012, 11:08 am

THE MAQUIES: Good


I liked this episode.  The premise of a rebel group trying to protect itself in the de-militarized zone is quite plausible.  Gul Dukat is a very engaging character and Ben Casey plays the secret Maquis member very well.


Lots of good things happening in this episode and I get to see the beginning of the Maquis.  Given I saw Voyager first, this is a sgnificant development.


Jim

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Report this Feb. 17 2012, 1:53 pm

Did you see both parts or just part one?


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Report this Feb. 17 2012, 7:31 pm

Quote: Mitchz95 @ Feb. 17 2012, 1:53 pm

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>Did you see both parts or just part one?

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I saw both parts.


Jim


Just call me "Jim"!

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Report this Feb. 17 2012, 7:33 pm

More on the Maquis...Sisko finally showed some anger.  However, it felt very manufactured like the producers complained he is too stiff.


...and yes, it did feel very Shatner-esque.


Jim

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Report this Feb. 17 2012, 8:26 pm


The Maquis were created to set up for Voyager.  But it was DS9 that really used them.  The Maquis will become regular players in the DS9 area.


 


Other long-term arcs set up or continued here in the episode “The Maquis”:


-first time we see the Badlands


-second time we Gul Evek, who seems to be the official liaison between the Cardassian Central Command and the colonies in the DMZ (also seen on TNG)


-first mention of Captain Boday, who Dax dates


-Kira and Dax talking about dating


-Cardassians shipping weapons (mentioned in previous episode, although with a different race)


 


-Most importantly: starting to see the chink in the armor that is the perfect Federation society that Star Trek portrays.


Sisko has his speech about how Earth is a paradise, but not the frontier where the Maquis live.


How perfect can the Federation be if people like the DMZ settlers are willing to leave, and then form the Maquis to actually fight against Federation desires?


Big questions that DS9 deals with; unlike any other Star Trek


 


Great insights into Cardassian society:


-Education important


-photographic memory


-Education is Power; Joy is Vulnerability


-the verdict of every court case is known before the trial, and it’s always guilty (to be featured in later episode)

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