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Seeing DS9 for the first time

Hugues

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Report this Feb. 01 2012, 8:39 am

Nope

TheDriver

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Report this Feb. 01 2012, 8:53 am

Ah, the "flaky skin people"...


Yeah, that episode sucked.


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Mitchz95

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Report this Feb. 01 2012, 9:59 am

The main reason Kira's friend was mad was because her son got killed in the battle with Bajoran militia, not just because her request was denied. But I agree with the rest. And the Skryans (is that how it's spelled?) do not show up again.


"The future is in the hands of those who explore... And from all the beauty they discover while crossing perpetually receding frontiers, they develop for nature and for humankind an infinite love." - Jacques Yves Cousteau

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Report this Feb. 03 2012, 4:31 am

RIVALS: Not Good


In this episode an Elorian uses his "listening" capabilities to bilk people out of their money. He comes across a device that seems to randomly choose winners and losers. In fact, it is physically altering the quantum spin of the local universe, thus, affecting chance in everything that happens around it.


The bulk of this episode is spent withthe DS9 crew trying to figure out why so many random things keep going wrong. Dax eventually sniffs it out but not before the Elorian is ripped off himself.


The premise of the device has some merit but the story was weak.


Jim

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Report this Feb. 03 2012, 4:41 am

THE ALTERNATE: Not Good


Odo is visited on DS9 by the scientist who studied and took care of him during the occupation. Odo, who likes being a recluse, fights the urge to treat the doctor as some sort of family-figure. In addition, they g to the gamma quadrant where Odo might come from. They pick up a plant sample and take an obelisk. As soon as they beam out the obelisk an earthquake (suspiciously) occurs.


Nothing really happens or isifugred out with the obelisk or the plant sample. It turns out, the volcanic gasses cause Odo to go crazy for some unknown reason.


This episode is just a plain mess. DS9 is in a rut of bad episodes all in a row.


Jim

Mitchz95

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Report this Feb. 03 2012, 8:38 am

Yeah, "Rivals" is generally accepted as the worst DS9 episode of Season 2. But like we said, it gets way better soon.


"The future is in the hands of those who explore... And from all the beauty they discover while crossing perpetually receding frontiers, they develop for nature and for humankind an infinite love." - Jacques Yves Cousteau

Data Logan

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Report this Feb. 03 2012, 11:53 am

Even dr Mora Pol gets a character arc. He comes back in another episode later in the series.


Data Logan

enhancesys

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Report this Feb. 05 2012, 6:48 am

ARMAGEDDON GAME: Good


In this episode, Bashir and O'Brien are asked to assist two factions in destroying some bio-weapons that are especially difficult to destroy.  As they destroy the last tube of bio-agent the room is attacked and everyone is killed...except O'Brien and Bashir who manage to beam to a planet's surface.


The drama of this story was pretty good.  Two warring aprties agreeing to peace...Bashir helping to solve how to destroy the bio-weapon...the attack...Bashir and O'Brien being reported back to DS9 as dead...Keiko figuing out something was wrong from a doctored video...Bashir and O'Brien surviving on the planet while O'Brien got infected...lots of good stuff!


However, there are some plot holes you could drive a truck through.  For instance, if they want to totally destroy a bio-weapon then the most effective way would be to fly to a star in an uninhabited system and just fling the bio-weapon into the star.  Fusion would destroy it completely in an instant...or you could use a black hole.  Why do you need to figure out how to neutralize its properties with some complex and unknown process?  And O'Brien got infected with this horrible weapon.  It took hours to take hold and he was cured in minutes.  Is that the best they can do for a "doomsday" bio-weapon in the 24th century?


Jim

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Report this Feb. 05 2012, 6:51 am

WHISPERS: Terrible


Another episode with no real consequences to anything happening.  Bobby Ewing lives!  It was just a dream!


O'Brien comes back from the Gamma quadrant to prepare for a diplomatic visit requiring lots of security.  Everyone acts suspicious..even his wife.  Things get really dicey for him so he escapes DS9.


In the end, you saw the episode through the eyes of a fake O'Brien...it was all by design.


YUCK!


Jim

Mitchz95

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Report this Feb. 05 2012, 4:44 pm

I didn't think Whispers was that bad, but I agree it wasn't great.


And I always wondered that about the Harvesters being so easy to cure too. Big plot hole right there.


In my opinion, "Shadowplay" is probably the last "bad" episode of Season 2. Don't give up.


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Report this Feb. 05 2012, 5:30 pm

I actually liked Whispers.  It had "O'Brien" pulling some cool tricks, and the episode showed that even a fake O'Brien can outmaneuver a real Sisko.

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Report this Feb. 06 2012, 9:33 am

PARADISE; Very Good


I think this might be the best episode I have seen so far.  In it, Sisko and O'Brien visit a planet with human life readings on it.  Once there, they find their technology doesn't work and they are trapped.


Humans do live there who crash landed 10 years before.  A woman runs the place and has a complete belief system wrapped around tehir simple existence...sort of like the Baku in ST Insurrection.


The woman is very authoritarian and controls everyone by giving them lots of work.  When O'Brien diverts his attention away from that to try and overcome the problem with technology not working Sisko is punished by putting him in a "sweat box" in the sun.  The scene was almost "Roots like".


The ending was a little predictable but very good.  I don't want to give it away here.


O'Brien seems to be the main character of this show.  Most episodes revolve around him...like Seven of Nine and the Doctor for Voyager.  I'm not complaining.  Colm Meaney does an excellent job and not too many of the other starfleet characters do much for me yet.


Jim

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Report this Feb. 08 2012, 7:12 am

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>WHISPERS: Terrible

>Another episode with no real consequences to anything happening.  Bobby Ewing lives!  It was just a dream!

>O'Brien comes back from the Gamma quadrant to prepare for a diplomatic visit requiring lots of security.  Everyone acts suspicious..even his wife.  Things get really dicey for him so he escapes DS9.

>In the end, you saw the episode through the eyes of a fake O'Brien...it was all by design.

>YUCK!

>Jim

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I actually enjoyed this episode. I had NO idea it would end like that.


Agreed. "Whispers" and "Armageddon Game" are my top favorites from the second season, and stand with the best from the entire show.

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Report this Feb. 08 2012, 2:31 pm

I'm a liitle concerned, Jim, that you hated Whispers, but really liked Paradise.


Whispers is a such wonderful original story idea.  And it includes the only Star Trek reference to simulants (vice clones or androids or duplicants).


And I felt that Paradise was just a run-of-the-mill TNG-style episode.


I'm just concerned that there might be other episodes of DS9 that I really love that you will not like when you watch.  I just don't know how to predict what you will like, since your tastes are obviously different than mine.

Mitchz95

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Report this Feb. 08 2012, 2:38 pm

I thought "Paradise" was pretty good, though it doesn't beat "Duet" from season 1.


From what I've read, I think Jim will still love the episodes we consider "great".


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