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Seeing DS9 for the first time

TheDriver

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Report this Jan. 12 2012, 5:04 am

You're just not getting it, EnhanceSys?


Well, I'm not getting it.


Seriously, do you just post your little thoughts and leave? 'Cause otherwise, you'd notice that even the most hardcore DS9 fans are critical of the first two seasons.


Yes, the crew hardly went anywhere. Yes, Bajor was at the center of every-other-episode. Yes, the actors were still finding their way, as it were.


But it does get better.


Just like TNG in its third season or ENT in its third season, DS9 begins to drastically improve. And improve. And IMPROVE.


...until you have folks like me saying it's easily the best post-TOS Trek series. Period.


The writing becomes much, much tighter and complex. The acting becomes top-notch. The special effects are some of the best you'll see in Trek. And believe me, the developing characterization and plotlines will leave you wondering to yourself, "Were Seasons One and Two really that bad?"


When you watch them again (and you will, I assure you), you'll note, "Hey, not really ... now that I know how all of this is part of one big story."


Look, I gave up on DS9 when it originally aired after two seasons. And if anybody asked me between 1993 and 2002 to name the weakest Trek series? I'd have quickly replied, "DS9!"


But I gave it another shot in 2003.


And man, I am SO glad I did.



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Report this Jan. 13 2012, 1:18 pm



DUET: Very Good


My ratings system included Great, Good, Fair, Not Good and Terrible.  I felt Duet is the best DS9 episode I've seen so far.  The ending was terrific.  The bulk of the episode was a little slow.  So, I created the rating of "Very Good".


In this episode, Major Kira is in charge of investigating a potential former war criminal that tortured Bajorans.  The ending is good so I won't ruin it here.


The guest actor who played the Cardassian really did well.  


I've been waiting for DS9 to wow me a little and now they have.


Jim



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Report this Jan. 14 2012, 9:35 am

Duet is one of my all time favorite Star Trek episodes period. 


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Report this Jan. 15 2012, 9:04 pm

Hey Jim,


Didn't have anything in mind for you to comment on specifically. Just enjoy hearing your reviews.


I agree with your analysis tho of the characters and plots kind of rehashing some "safe" TNG style episodes. That doens't last very long though. Like the other guy said, you'll finishing DS9, assume the first season or two weren't as bad as you remembered, watch them again, and then just see the bad episodes as a long line of character development into an awesome series. Atleast, that's how I saw it. I hope you do too.


 


I hope Voyager hasn't burned you off DS9 though. Maybe don't watch it as fast as Voyager. haha.

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Report this Jan. 17 2012, 8:11 pm

IN THE HANDS OF THE PROPHETS: Good


In this episode, Bajoran religious leaders are jockeying for political position to be the next leader.  They do this to the point of exploiting the people's faith and even murder.  I liked this episode a lot.  We are starting to get in the deep-end of Bajor.


This episode had a terrific supporting cast.  Louise Fletcher is always brilliant at understanding how to make her characters unlikable.  That is a compliment.  Robin Christopher (All My Children...my wife's favorite ex-show) is the beautiful engineer who has a secret and Philip Anglim as the other religious leader who is more genuine.


The back-drop of this story is the tension between faith and secular learning.  Of course, Star Trek always paints faith in a negative light.


I guess season 1 is over.  It was short but finished strong.  It had more good episodes than the other Star Trek shows in season 1 but it also failed to address the major issues of...they don't go anywhere and their "ship" needs to be more of a character of the show.


Jim

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Report this Jan. 17 2012, 8:17 pm

Quote: enhancesys @ Jan. 17 2012, 8:11 pm

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>I guess season 1 is over.  It was short but finished strong.  It had more good episodes than the other Star Trek shows in season 1 but it also failed to address the major issues of...they don't go anywhere and their "ship" needs to be more of a character of the show.

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Both those two problems are addressed from Season 2-3 onwards.


"The future is in the hands of those who explore... And from all the beauty they discover while crossing perpetually receding frontiers, they develop for nature and for humankind an infinite love." - Jacques Yves Cousteau

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Report this Jan. 18 2012, 3:51 pm

THE HOMECOMING: Fair


In this episode, Major Kira goes into Cardassian space to rescue a well known freedom fighter.  It is thought his "legend" could help consolidate a fractured government on Bajor.


Well, at least they went somewhere.  There was some decent action and the story had some relevance but in the end, it, again, was much ado about nothing.  The "hero" was reluctant and didn't want to lead.  He also felt uncomfortable about the stories that had been made up about him over the years being so "great".


I didn't find the guest actor to be terribly compelling.


Jim

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Report this Jan. 19 2012, 12:57 pm

I also recantly watched ds9 for the first time and I didnt like it until 4th or 5th season. I was hard to in over but after that it was great!  There were too much ferengi in the beginning for my taste and I agree with you that Sisko was dull in hte beginnging, especially being used to Janeway. 

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Report this Jan. 21 2012, 8:07 am

THE CIRCLE: Good


A continuation of Homecoming...Bajor is in strife with political unrest, terrorism, protests and power grapbs by politicans and religious leaders. A lot went on in this episode from the competing Vediks to Kira on Bajor, the Cardassians secretly supplying arms to facilitate unrest and the Federation thinking of pulling out. Lots of good action. It will be itneresting tos ee where this one goes.


Jim

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Report this Jan. 22 2012, 4:48 pm

 



THE SIEGE: Good


This episode finishes the "mini-arc" on the Bajoran political unrest.  This episode and the previous 2 that go with it were well done.


In this episode Sisko and a skeleton crew try to fight off the Bjorans...Odo is tracking down who is supplying arms to the Circle...Kira and Dax are trying to infiltrate the capital to tell the leaders that the Cardassians are behind it all.


All of the stories worked well.  Lots of good action and I'm really starting to enjoy Ferengi characters.  They used to annoy me but Quark is funny and Nog is terrific.


Jim



 

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Report this Jan. 22 2012, 5:04 pm

INVASIVE PROCEDURES: Not Good


In this episode, a Trill exploits DS9 being deserted due to an impending storm.  Quark helps some people infiltrate the base (for profit I am sure).  The leader is a Trill who was denied getting a symbiont so he abducts Dax and takes hers which is deadly.


Two Klingons are helping him as well as an alien woman.  The woman helps him becuase she loves him but the guy was pretty wimpy and unlikable.  One of the Klingons was played by Tim Russ.  I couldn't see past Tim Russ as a Klingon so that didn't work for me.


In the end they overcame their captors and blah, blah, blah.  This one didn't do anything for me.  I don't know how Quark isn't thrown in jail for this one.


I can't complain.  DS9 had several good episodes in a row.


Jim

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Report this Jan. 24 2012, 12:25 pm

CARDASSIANS: Fair


This episode was pretty good but it has been done so many times in Trek from Suddenly Human in TNG to the one about the Borg children in VOY.


In this episode a Cardassian boy is being raised by Bajorans.  Cardassia wants him back but it gets tied up in political intrigue as we find the boy is a son to a significant Cardassian political figure.  The politics overtakes the story.


The joy in this episode is watching Garak.  The actor's personality is just perfect for this part.


Bashir is annoying to the viewer and Sisko.  Sisko should put him in an airlock and turn off the safety protocol.


Jim

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Report this Jan. 24 2012, 2:31 pm

Quote: enhancesys @ Jan. 24 2012, 12:25 pm

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>The joy in this episode is watching Garak.  The actor's personality is just perfect for this part.

>Bashir is annoying to the viewer and Sisko.  Sisko should put him in an airlock and turn off the safety protocol.

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Lol, both Bashir and Sisko get way better in later installments (coincidentally or not, right around the point SIsko grows a beard). And if you think Garak was good here, wait until you reach "Improbable Cause".


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Report this Jan. 25 2012, 8:51 am

MELORA: Fair


In this episode, a starfleet alien (Melora) who is from a world with low gravity comes to DS9 for a mapping expedition into the Gamma Quadrant. It turns out DS9 isn't set up with the proper anti-grav technology so she has to get around in a wheel chair and a bio-mechanical skeleton apparatus. There is a sub-plot of an alien looking to get revenge on Quark for being wronged by him years before.


This episode had some interesting things and some flaws. As a story though, I found it to be less than interesting. Melora was defensive and obtuse to everyone because she hated being dependent on people...pretty predictable. Dr. Bashir befriended her because she was attractive but he didn't come off as the teenager in heat this time. He turned it down a bit and acted like a human being. he got Melora to tear down her walls.


The good...the premise of a low-gravity alien is plausible and creates a parallel to disabled people in our time. It was funny watching Quark grovel to this other alien to keep him from wanting to kill him. The Klingon restaurant was funny. The food, the bomabast from the Klingon and him later playing music to dine to...good stuff.


This character, Melora, is a key character in some of the Star Trek Titan books. I encountered her first in the books. It was neat to see the character come to life.


The bad...Melora was way too predictable. How does a being on a low gravity planet evolve perfectly human looking structure? She turned off the gravity in her room and let Bashir in. He was unbelievably fascinated by zero gravity. Really? He is in starfleet on a space station! How can zero gravity be so abnormal for him to experience? Melora was also obtuse to Sisko. He should have come down ahrd on her.


Jim

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Report this Jan. 26 2012, 6:35 pm

RULES OF ACQUISITION; Fair


In this episode, the Grand Nagus (Ferengi leader) asks Quark to negotiate a purchase of a product from the Gamma quadrant.  The main part of this story though is a new Ferengi assistant to Quark who is secretly female.  Female Ferengis aren't supposed to be allowed to wear clothes or do business.


Quark eventually finds out the Nagus really wanted Quark to get information on an organization called the Dominion in the Gamma quadrant.  Quark also finds out about his assistant.


As I understand it, the Dominion becomes a main ingredient of DS9 from here on out.  This is the first mention of it.  The story on sexual discrimination has been done many times in Trek.  They didn't need another story on that.


Jim

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