Seeing DS9 for the first time

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Report this Apr. 24 2012, 6:25 pm

I liked having the Duras family back for a continuation/resolution of their conflict with Worf from their TNG days. But too bad Toral was the only one left. And really too bad he was in such a poor episode.

We're suppose to believe that Worf and Kor acted they way they did just because of their own innate personalities. The sword itself had no scientific or mystical properties that caused them to act the way they did (according to the writer). I'm fine with character flaws that might cause people to act this way. And I'm OK with Kor acting that way, really, because he's pretty flawed to begin with. But I really had a problem with the way Worf is portrayed. Heck in this episode he was willing to let someone die just to get a sword. Not like him at all IMO.

As you pointed out, Jim, it's too unrealistic that they could constantly win the battles against other younger fitter Klingons.

I really wanted something bigger to happen with the Sword. I wanted the Emperor to actually get it and lead the Klingons into a better state. I actually really like that guy. Much better than other Klingon officials like Gowron.

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Report this Apr. 25 2012, 1:48 pm

BORING


There's someone on the wing of the Enterprise!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Report this Apr. 25 2012, 2:39 pm

^ What was boring, the episode or the series?


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Report this Apr. 25 2012, 2:55 pm

OUR MAN BASHIR: Fair to Good


In this episode, Bashir is in a "James Bond"-like holo-suite program when a transporter accident puts DS9 officers into the program as characters.  Bashir has to navigate the story without killing their characters even though they are trying to kill him.


This was an amusing episode with some good fun with Garak.  I liked it when Garak said, "I joined the wrong intelligence organization" when he saw the life of "James Bond".


Nana Visitor played a really good sexy russian spy...nice job!


Jim

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Report this Apr. 25 2012, 3:44 pm

Yeah, that was a good one. Cheesy spy stories are awesome.


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Report this Apr. 25 2012, 8:49 pm


At least the holodeck failure in “Our Man Bashir” made a little more sense than normal.  And they combined the holodeck accident with the other #1 over-done type of Star Trek story: the transporter accident.


Maybe Bashir was very disappointed that Garak (and the accident) interrupted his holodeck time because he was suppose to have sex with a lot of the characters and no he couldn’t.


Probably Bashir got interested in this type of spy story at least partly because of the time he’s been around Garak.  So it was interesting to see Garak get into the mix.  Love how he talks about how ridiculous the Bond spy movies are compared to real life spying.


Eddington and other “lower tier” characters like Rom really had a chance to shine in this episode.  That was great.


Did you notice that the stardate for the episode had a “007” in it?


By the way, I believe Bashir was not planning to kill Garak.  I think he meant to just knick him with that gun shot, as he ended up doing in the episode.  Anyone else think differently?

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Report this Apr. 26 2012, 7:55 pm

HOMEFRONT: Fair to Good


In this episode, a changeling blows up a Romulan/Federation conference on Earth.  Sisko and Odo are called back to Earth to help with security.  Jake comes along.  There is a secondary story having to do with Sisko's sick dad.


The episode was ok but it was mostly set up and not much really happened other than security preparations.  Odo enjoyed getting "phaser swept" over and over again.


It was like a reunion show of former Trek guest actors.  Sisko's dad was played by Brock Peters who played Admiral Cartwright in Star Trek IV and VI.  An Earth-based female commander was played by the actress who played Leah Brahms on TNG.  Robert Foxworth was a Starfleet Admiral in this episode.  He played the head of the Vulcan High-Command in ENT.


The episode ended with Earth having lost all pwoer due to sabotage and Starfleet security filling the streets in prepration for a Jam Hadar attack.


Jim

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Report this Apr. 27 2012, 6:42 pm

PARADISE LOST: Good


Earth is on high alert waiting for a Dominion attack.  It never comes.  It turns out a wayward Admiral is artificially creating panic so that Earth will prepare better for an eventual attack.  Sisko goes up against him to preserve Earth's way of life.


This was a good episode with a good message.  The battle between the Defiant and Lacota(?) was done well...and ended well.


It will be interesting to see what happens when the Dominion attacks.


Jim

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Report this Apr. 27 2012, 7:43 pm

I was certainly surprised at how things turned out in "Paradise Lost"...never suspected Admiral Layton was going to untimately turn out to be the villain of the two-parter.


I also liked the battle between the Defiant and the Lakota, though I thought it was a bit unrealistic for an Excelsior (even a refit one) to beat the Defiant like that. I was, however, pleased at how the battle was resolved.


One thing I wondered: was Layton responsible for bombing the conference in "Homefront"? We saw in this one he was capable of faking the Changeling morphing effect.


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Report this Apr. 27 2012, 7:48 pm

Quote: Mitchz95 @ Apr. 27 2012, 7:43 pm

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>I was certainly surprised at how things turned out in "Paradise Lost"...never suspected Admiral Layton was going to untimately turn out to be the villain of the two-parter.

>I also liked the battle between the Defiant and the Lakota, though I thought it was a bit unrealistic for an Excelsior (even a refit one) to beat the Defiant like that. I was, however, pleased at how the battle was resolved.

>One thing I wondered: was Layton responsible for bombing the conference in "Homefront"? We saw in this one he was capable of faking the Changeling morphing effect.

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hmmmmmmmmmmm,I knew from the start that Layton was going to turn out the bad guy


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Report this Apr. 27 2012, 8:55 pm

Well I just finished the last episode of DS9.  Started back in January and have to say at this point this has been my favorite series of the franchise.  I started with the original Star Trek back on August 29th of last year.  Between the original, animated, STNG, and now DS9 I felt more part of this series than the others.  I really liked the long story arcs and felt very connected to the characters.  Very sad to see this end.  At least now I can feel free to go through the pages on this site without fear of coming across a "spoiler".


 


Jim, you have many great episodes ahead of you and I look forward to your reactions to the series as it plays out.  Starting tomorrow I've got seven season of Voyager to watch - did not catch this series in its original run either (along with DS9 and Enterprise) so I'm looking forward to a few more months of all new Trek.  I'll look for your thread in the Voyager forum as I work my way through the show.  Not sure if I will make my goal of watching all Trek in a year - but I'm having a blast trying.

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Report this Apr. 27 2012, 9:15 pm

"Homefront" and "Paradise Lost" is a great 2-parter that really explored the issues and arguments between balancing individual civil liberties with public safety.

I love the family dynamic between the 3 Sisko men.

Brock peters does a great job playing "Grandpa Joe". So glad they did that little retcon to allow Ben's father to still be alive. (In the early seasons it was heavily implied that Ben's father was dead, how Ben would always talk about how his father "was" a chef [versus "is" a chef].)

I'm not sure if it was more because of the writing or the casting, but the President sure came across as a push-over. (Maybe he would be an OK President during peacetime, but the Federation in DS9 is in a bit of a cold war with the Dominion, so this President sucks.) I did like the make-up, though, and the idea that he was from a race of grazing animals.

And why is it that the President of the Federation and Starfleet are directly in control of Earth security? What about the more "local" authorities like the President of Earth or Earth Security/Police Force? I do know that these ideas were in the original story, but were dropped for time. No need to clutter the story up with too much politics. I do actually see that: focus on the human aspect of the story vice the politics. Plus it saves money.

Liked meeting the very interesting and complex, but ultimately a bit misguided, character of Admiral Layton. It was interesting to think that it was this man that "found" Ben Sisko as an engineer and put him on the path to command. Nice little bit of Sisko's back-story.

Sisko did a great job in this episode. Nice to see not only the great moments when he's talking to big people like his boss Admiral Layton or the President, but also the differently great moments when he's talking to subordinates like Nog and that Red Squad kid.

I love how the Klingons have "killed" their own gods.

Interesting how Bashir didn't want anything to do with his family on Earth. There's probably an interesting story there. And more than just "they didn't want me to be a tennis player".

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Report this Apr. 28 2012, 7:08 pm

CROSSFIRE: Not Good


This was a disappointing episode.  It is about Odo clearly having feelings for Kira but not speaking up.  For the whole show he watched her fall for another man and he did nothing.  He meant to talk to her at the end but failed to do so.


It would ahve been so much better if he had tried...even if she shot him down.  The ending was very dissatisfying.  The only part I liked about this episode was Odo's interactions with Quark.


Jim

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Report this Apr. 29 2012, 6:54 am

RETURN TO GRACE: Good


In this episode, a demoted Gul Dukat escorts Kira to a diplomatic conference with Cardassia.


I always enjoy Gul Dukat.  I think he is wondefully played by Marc Alaimo.  However, the star of this episode was the writing.  That is not surprising as I firmly believe DS9 is the most well written of the Trek series.  There were so many scenes in this episode with good dialogue...Kira and Ziyal, Kira and Dukat (multiple times), etc.  Visitor and Alaimo have great on-screen chemistry.


It is interesting how Dukat now has to play the role of resistance fighter and he admires someone he once fought.  You do get a sense that he wants to be a good person but can't let go of his fighting past.  As Kirk said in Undiscovered Country, "people can be frightened of change".


A few things confused me and I don't know whether it was by chance or misdirection by the writers.  There seemed to be times when you expected something to happen and it didn't...when Damar went down to engineering to help Ziyal...when Dukat went to the Klingon Captain's ready room to tell of his victory.  I expected something to happen and it didn't.  Some of them appeared to be pointless diversions in the end or the writers just keeping us on our toes.  Also, did anyone else suspect the Klingon ship wasn't the one that destroyed the Cardassian colony?  I thought they would find someone else did it.  They also seemed to give Damar more lines than his part deserved.  His role did nothing meaningful.  I wondered whether he was a spy.  Perhaps he has a future role in the show.


None the less, a good story with very good writing.  And Kira has become likable and respectable.  As Driver pointed out this may help me connect with the show better.


Jim

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Report this Apr. 29 2012, 6:56 am

...and this episode went deeper than my review.  Not menaing to give him work but I expect Logan could dissect a lot of angles on this one.  There were just too many good subjects covered in this episode.


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