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Report this Dec. 24 2011, 9:01 pm

In the Federation (and in real life), the custom is to name a ship design after the first of its class (ex: Excelsior-class is named for the USS Excelsior). We know the official designation for the Enterprise's design is Constitution-class, presumably named for an unseen USS Constitution.


As seen in "In a Mirror, Darkly", the Terrans captured the prime USS Defiant, a Constitution-class starship. My question is, would the Empire keep the designation "Constitution-class" (as recorded in its main computer) or would they name it "Defiant-class" after the first one they encountered? Or maybe something else?


I believe they'd use Defiant-class. What are your thoughts?


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Report this Dec. 24 2011, 9:30 pm

Maybe they'll re-designate it the "Tyrant-class" or "Emperor-Class" 


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Report this Dec. 29 2011, 6:11 am

Since there was no apparent technological difference between universes in the TOS era, they would probably still call it Contsitution Class, since the ship was probably destroyed before it could be studied and reverse-engineered.

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Report this Mar. 06 2012, 5:52 am

In "In a Mirror Darkly" there's no indication that the NX ships are called something other than NX Class. The computers said Constitution Class so I'd assume that's what they are known as.


But hey...there's no evidence the NX class ships weren't call something else, or the the I.S.S. Enterprise wasn't something like an "Empire Class" after all. Though the actual tech like phasers and so on had the same names.


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Report this Mar. 07 2012, 5:12 am

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>In "In a Mirror Darkly" there's no indication that the NX ships are called something other than NX Class. The computers said Constitution Class so I'd assume that's what they are known as.

>But hey...there's no evidence the NX class ships weren't call something else, or the the I.S.S. Enterprise wasn't something like an "Empire Class" after all. Though the actual tech like phasers and so on had the same names.

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There was no indication the NX class was known as anything else in the real universe either. That's all I've ever heard them referred to as.

I havemn't seent he epsiodes in a while, but I don't remember the NX class ships being called NX class specifically in the two Mirror episodes, while we do here the name constantly in the prime universe.


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Report this Mar. 07 2012, 11:54 am

Why change the name, especially since they know what it is called?  Before this episode, did anyone think the mirror universe Enterprise from Mirror,Mirror was anything but Constitution class? 


So I'm sure it was still a Connie.


Do not individuals in the mirror universe have the same names?  Then why would they change ship names?  Of course there was an ISS Avenger when Starfleet only had a USS Enterprise and Columbia.  Does that mean the Avenger was the mirror Columbia? 


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Report this Mar. 07 2012, 12:34 pm

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Mar. 07 2012, 11:54 am

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>Do not individuals in the mirror universe have the same names?  Then why would they change ship names?  Of course there was an ISS Avenger when Starfleet only had a USS Enterprise and Columbia.  Does that mean the Avenger was the mirror Columbia? 

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I assumed the ISS Avenger preceeded its prime counterpart (if one existed) because the Terran Empire was more militarized.


And actually, according to the script for IAMD (iffy canon) mirror Forrests's first name was Maximilian rather than the Maxwell of the prime universe.


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Report this Mar. 07 2012, 3:18 pm

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Mar. 07 2012, 11:54 am

>Do not individuals in the mirror universe have the same names?


yes, thou I never understood the logic behind the thinking in that.


At least they gave Mirror OBrien a different knick name.


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Report this Mar. 09 2012, 6:09 am

Yeah, the ISS Avenger is NX-09, which presumably means that the Terran Empire had 7 (or more) additional warp five ships.


 


It is worth noting that Constitution as a ship class name has political undertones that might not be reflected in the alternate universe. 


Regarding Mitchz's orginal point about how navies name their vessel classifications after the first ship's name, I don't know if that's the case in Star Trek world.  I have a hard time thinking that someone would be so unorginal to name a starship "Galaxy."  It'd be like naming your yatch "Ocean" or your car "Highway."


 


PS: Actually, I stand corrected.  The USS Galaxy was mentioned on screen in DS9.  Still an awful name for a starship though.


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Report this Mar. 09 2012, 11:07 am

Quote: bvbpl @ Mar. 09 2012, 6:09 am

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>Yeah, the ISS Avenger is NX-09, which presumably means that the Terran Empire had 7 (or more) additional warp five ships.

>It is worth noting that Constitution as a ship class name has political undertones that might not be reflected in the alternate universe. 

>Regarding Mitchz's orginal point about how navies name their vessel classifications after the first ship's name, I don't know if that's the case in Star Trek world.  I have a hard time thinking that someone would be so unorginal to name a starship "Galaxy."  It'd be like naming your yatch "Ocean" or your car "Highway."

>PS: Actually, I stand corrected.  The USS Galaxy was mentioned on screen in DS9.  Still an awful name for a starship though.

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Another way of thinking is that the name "Constitution" could imply a ship (or class) that has a solid build; to intimidate or impress.

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