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Why San Fran?

ClayTheScribe

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Report this Dec. 07 2011, 10:18 pm

Maybe I'm just not as big a trekkie as I thought, but I still don't know why San Francisco was chosen as the site of Starfleet Headquarters and the academy, especially when first contact was made in Montana? I'm sure I could've dug around for this a bit more, but I'm feeling lazy haha. Also, are there any other Earth sites you would choose to place Starfleet?


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Treknoir

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Report this Dec. 08 2011, 9:59 am

Here's some info from Memory Alpha: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/San_Francisco


I wouldn't have placed SF or the UFP headquarters on Earth AT ALL. Too much of a target for enemies AND it's heavily populated. Certainly not in San Fran which is prone to earthquakes.


It would make more sense strategically to have it placed somewhere with a low population and easily defended (natural impediments to invasion/strikes). Perhaps a member world territory, none of the homeworlds or territories with a heavy population.


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Report this Dec. 08 2011, 10:32 am

Perhaps with modern technology they were able to eliminate those earthquakes. They were able to do this in "Pen Pals" for another planet, why not San Francisco?


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Report this Dec. 08 2011, 6:50 pm

Quote: Treknoir @ Dec. 08 2011, 9:59 am

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>Here's some info from Memory Alpha: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/San_Francisco

>I wouldn't have placed SF or the UFP headquarters on Earth AT ALL. Too much of a target for enemies AND it's heavily populated. Certainly not in San Fran which is prone to earthquakes.

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By that point we can at least imagine that they have seizmic stabilisers to settle the earthquakes. And / or better quake-proof architecture. As far as why it is in San Francisco -- It might as well be somewhere.


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Report this Dec. 09 2011, 12:38 pm

Maybe it was a practical issue. We know Earth had just gone through WWIII, and could asume many population centers could be devastated not just in the US but world-wide. If WWIII was anything like the previous two, other nations got it worse than the US, therefore there were few choices.


Maybe Starfleet came out of Silicon Valley innovation...or maybe San Fran is the happiest place on Earth in the future, better than Disney. Or a bid was put out on which state could design a better HQ, and San Fran beat out the competition.


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ClayTheScribe

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Report this Dec. 10 2011, 8:57 pm

I guess more my question was why did Rodenberry pick San Francisco? Any significance to him we know of?


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Report this Dec. 11 2011, 9:30 am

Might be because it has a big naval base, tradition, etc... and Starfleets structure was modeled after the British and American navies.

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Report this Dec. 12 2011, 1:52 pm

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They had the best looking sewage treatment plant


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Report this Dec. 15 2011, 7:47 am

Because the UNITED NATIONS is headquartered in San Fran, that's why.



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Report this Dec. 15 2011, 2:00 pm

Isn't the UN headquarters in New York?


Maybe San Francisco was choosen because it was a cult city in the 60:s when Star Trek was created, you know flower-power and all that and many of those involved in the creation of Star Trek grew up in that era.


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Matthias Russell

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Report this Dec. 16 2011, 8:22 am

Actually, UFP headquarters is in Paris.


The President's office was located in the Earth city of Paris on the European continent. (Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country)

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Report this Dec. 16 2011, 8:27 am

San Fran makes sense for a few reasons.  Star Trek was created in California.  Californians think they are the center of the galaxy (as do New Yorkers) so of course they picked a California site. 


Humans are the centerpiece of the UFP as it was humans who united the other species and brokered peace between the other founding worlds.  So that brings you to Earth. 


A good point was made about the naval tradition of San Fran, which makes sense.  I suppose Norfolk, VA, Pennsacola, FL, or Mojave, CA make equal sense.  But lets remember Starfleet integrates a variety of cultures, races, and organisms.  What city is best known for its openness and acceptance of difference cultures and lifestyles?  San Francisco.

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Report this Dec. 16 2011, 8:28 am

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Dec. 16 2011, 8:27 am

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>San Fran makes sense for a few reasons.  Star Trek was created in California.  Californians think they are the center of the galaxy (as do New Yorkers) so of course they picked a California site. 

>Humans are the centerpiece of the UFP as it was humans who united the other species and brokered peace between the other founding worlds.  So that brings you to Earth. 

>A good point was made about the naval tradition of San Fran, which makes sense.  I suppose Norfolk, VA, Pennsacola, FL, or Mojave, CA make equal sense.  But lets remember Starfleet integrates a variety of cultures, races, and organisms.  What city is best known for its openness and acceptance of difference cultures and lifestyles?  San Francisco.

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Los Angeles was also destroyed/sunk in the 21st or 22nd centuries, according to Janeway, so I imagine Mojave went with it.


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Report this Dec. 16 2011, 8:31 am

But does San Fran make sense?  No.  An ocean fleet is best based at a harbor and a star fleet is best based in space.  It should also be close to the government that controls it.  So Starfleet HQ should be close to Earth.  For that reason, I think the moon is where it should be.  You could have surface-based fleet yards where ships can easily be placed in open space, HQ is then in space but housed in a stable and massive planetoid for safety, and it is close to UFP HQ.


 


If not the moon, then I would say one of the Martian moons, mainly because Starfleet's principle shipyard is in Martian orbit.


ClayTheScribe

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Report this Dec. 16 2011, 8:37 am

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Dec. 16 2011, 8:31 am

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>But does San Fran make sense?  No.  An ocean fleet is best based at a harbor and a star fleet is best based in space.  It should also be close to the government that controls it.  So Starfleet HQ should be close to Earth.  For that reason, I think the moon is where it should be.  You could have surface-based fleet yards where ships can easily be placed in open space, HQ is then in space but housed in a stable and massive planetoid for safety, and it is close to UFP HQ.

>If not the moon, then I would say one of the Martian moons, mainly because Starfleet's principle shipyard is in Martian orbit.

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But isn't the moon and Mars kind of used as a first defense post of Earth? It seems if you put SF HQ right there in space, they'd be more prone to alien attacks. 


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