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clover_data

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Report this Dec. 04 2011, 6:29 pm

Data maybe the most populur charater in TNG? Why do you love him?


 


 


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TheDriver

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Report this Dec. 04 2011, 7:07 pm

I actually don't.


Now, don't get me wrong... I think Brent Spiner is a terrific actor and did wonders with the role. (Side note: I was a HUGE fan of his recurring role on Night Court.)


But the idea of a humanoid robot serving on a starship? Being told it needs to be more human? By a crew that hypocritcally claims to value diversity? And that robot pretty much serves dual roles - comic relief and deus ex machina? (Both roles being incredibly annoying?)


Yeah, I was never a big fan of Data.


Plus, as an old-school TOS fan, I just don't really dig on the fact that androids are now seen as "lifeforms," considering how many times Roddenberry beat us over the head with "humanity trumps machines ALWAYS!!!!" (Examples include "The Changeling," "I, Mudd," and "What Are Little Girls Made Of?")


But look, this is just one guy's opinion...


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Vger23

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Report this Dec. 04 2011, 7:36 pm

I actually agree that Data is not my favorite TNG character. In fact, he's not even in the top 3 (Picard, Riker, Worf). I found him to be too derivitive of Spock when the show first came out, even though his relationship with humanity is reversed. I always felt like the Data-centric stories (Dr. Soong episodes, lost brother episodes, lost mother episodes, daughter episode) were totally uninteresting and as annoying and frequent as the DS9 Ferengi episodes.


But, I didn't DISLIKE Data until the TNG movies. He was HORRENDOUS (Jar-Jar Binks bad) in Generations with the emotion chip subplot. Then, his was the most uninteresting (and even distracting) of the 3 subplots in First Contact. In Insurrection, he is again HORRENDOUS because he is played for laughs and crappy sappy kiddie sentiment. Finally, in NEM they give him YET ANOTHER long-lost relative subplot.


But, like TheDriver said, that's just my own (admittedly unpopular) opinion.

Broadstorm

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Report this Dec. 04 2011, 7:46 pm

I don't recall anyone telling Data he needed to be more Human.  They sometimes were impatient with him for not understanding certain concepts.  Data was trying to understand and to become more Human as his own personal goal.

TrekkieCavico120797

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Report this Dec. 09 2011, 2:56 pm

I love Data because he is cute, gentle, availible, so...........MANLY!!!! He is soooooo hard to explain. Data is just.......well....Data! Another reason is that i love brent spiner soooooooo......yeah! But Data is a one of a kind. If i had to choose someone to spend the rest of my life with, i would choose the one and only...Data!

OtakuJo

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Report this Dec. 09 2011, 7:20 pm

I don't recall anyone telling Data he needed to be more Human.  They sometimes were impatient with him for not understanding certain concepts.  Data was trying to understand and to become more Human as his own personal goal.


 


 


That is true. Although it strikes me as odd that none of the crew ever seems to question why Data wants to be something that he is not -- instead of learning to embrace his own differences for what they are. I understand that his otherness in the series was meant to provide a perspective from which to examine the nature of humanity -- but even so...


I like Data because he is different. I can relate to him for the same reason that I kind of relate to Odo as well -- both outsiders looking in on "humanity". And so they (we) tend to notice details when learning things that some others might not consciously pick up, as they are too familiar with those details and take them for granted.


I think that's what having a character like Data offers us -- a filter, if you like, of defamiliarisation through which to view "familiar" aspects of behaviour.


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Report this Dec. 09 2011, 7:39 pm

I agree with OtakuJo in that I like Data because he's an outsider, just like Spock (and I like him, too).


I also like him because he's intelligent, kind, gentle, and seems like a fun person to be around.


The only thing I don't like about Data is that he's sometimes a bit too much like Spock, even if he's trying to become more human. But that's a small thing. Otherwise, I really enjoy the character.


"Captain, life is not a dream." - Spock "Can you please continue the petty bickering? I find it quite intriguing." - Data

clover_data

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Report this Dec. 09 2011, 8:23 pm

Quote: OtakuJo @ Dec. 09 2011, 7:20 pm

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>I don't recall anyone telling Data he needed to be more Human.  They sometimes were impatient with him for not understanding certain concepts.  Data was trying to understand and to become more Human as his own personal goal.

>That is true. Although it strikes me as odd that none of the crew ever seems to question why Data wants to be something that he is not -- instead of learning to embrace his own differences for what they are. I understand that his otherness in the series was meant to provide a perspective from which to examine the nature of humanity -- but even so...

>I like Data because he is different. I can relate to him for the same reason that I kind of relate to Odo as well -- both outsiders looking in on "humanity". And so they (we) tend to notice details when learning things that some others might not consciously pick up, as they are too familiar with those details and take them for granted.

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That is one of the resons why I love Data. They other resons is that he is caring honest respectful intellgent but he is perfect. 


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Vger23

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Report this Dec. 10 2011, 8:16 am

Wow.


Fangirl Squee Heaven!

2takesfrakes

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Report this Dec. 10 2011, 8:24 am

I, for one, have never understood the fascination
these chicks have for robotic love. I will say this,
however: Ever since I've started using this site,
these robo-lovers have made me very suspicious
of any lady I get with who has too many "toys."
There ain't nothing like the real thing, honey ...
and simulations just won't cut it.


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Report this Dec. 10 2011, 3:38 pm

Quote: 2takesfrakes @ Dec. 10 2011, 8:24 am

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>I, for one, have never understood the fascination
these chicks have for robotic love. I will say this,
however: Ever since I've started using this site,
these robo-lovers have made me very suspicious
of any lady I get with who has too many "toys."
There ain't nothing like the real thing, honey ...
and simulations just won't cut it.

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They probably wouldn't trust you either.


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clover_data

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Report this Dec. 10 2011, 5:40 pm

Quote: OtakuJo @ Dec. 10 2011, 3:38 pm

Quote: 2takesfrakes @ Dec. 10 2011, 8:24 am

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>I, for one, have never understood the fascination
these chicks have for robotic love. I will say this,
however: Ever since I've started using this site,
these robo-lovers have made me very suspicious
of any lady I get with who has too many "toys."
There ain't nothing like the real thing, honey ...
and simulations just won't cut it.

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They probably wouldn't trust you either.


Are you just jelous of Data? becaue Data is simply amazing


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Report this Dec. 12 2011, 8:55 am

Data was never one of my favorite favorite TNG or franchise characters but I do like him and I do completely enjoy him. For me, I like him because he is childlike in a lot of ways without meaning to, he tries or strives to be human at every chance he gets, he just keeps going and going when prompted about something and he doesn't get that sometimes too much info is just way too much but that is his charm. He is what he is, and he can't apologize for it. Good character all in all...though on TNG (and DS9) Worf is my favorite, always was always will be. 


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2takesfrakes

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Report this Dec. 12 2011, 10:44 am

No, I am not jealous of a man-made machine ...



It just seems that wymin's fantasies are going
in the wrong direction, here. In STAR TREK,
it's always a human MAN that an entity needs
to fulfil itself - V'ger being a perfect example!
It's a familiar theme in these shows and it is
evident in life, as well:


What you ladies need - OK? - NEED to fulfill yourselves,
is a Human Man. Now - more than ever - you need the ...
HUMAN TOUCH.


clover_data

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Report this Dec. 12 2011, 6:07 pm

Frakes I love Data for who he is, the android part is just a bonus.


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