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Vger23

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Report this Nov. 30 2011, 9:57 am

Quote: Pooneil @ Nov. 29 2011, 1:04 pm

Quote: Vger23 @ Nov. 29 2011, 9:08 am

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>What I'd like to know is why people keep suggesting series that are "post dominion war" and have all these fanwanky galactic politics / interstellar warfare themes? Seriously...is this really what the majority of Star Trek fans want to see these days?

>I weep for the future.  

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Apparently, that is exactly what the majority of Star Trek fans want to see. Or at least the most vocal fans. Or maybe just the ones who post on message boards about their hopes for the next series. Just about every premise I've read for a future series or movie involves galactic politics and interstellar warfare. It gets a bit repetitive.


It's more than just repetitive. How many space wars / intergalactic politics sci-fi shows and movies have already been made? Hell, even within the Trek franchise itself it's been done before (and well) with DS9.


This is why the general fan population drives me bonkers.


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Report this Nov. 30 2011, 10:57 am

Quote: Vger23 @ Nov. 30 2011, 9:57 am

Quote: Pooneil @ Nov. 29 2011, 1:04 pm

Quote: Vger23 @ Nov. 29 2011, 9:08 am

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>What I'd like to know is why people keep suggesting series that are "post dominion war" and have all these fanwanky galactic politics / interstellar warfare themes? Seriously...is this really what the majority of Star Trek fans want to see these days?

>I weep for the future.  

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Apparently, that is exactly what the majority of Star Trek fans want to see. Or at least the most vocal fans. Or maybe just the ones who post on message boards about their hopes for the next series. Just about every premise I've read for a future series or movie involves galactic politics and interstellar warfare. It gets a bit repetitive.

It's more than just repetitive. How many space wars / intergalactic politics sci-fi shows and movies have already been made? Hell, even within the Trek franchise itself it's been done before (and well) with DS9.

This is why the general fan population drives me bonkers.


Let's see: DS9, Enterprise, Babylon 5, Stargate SG-1, Stargate Atlantis, Battlestar Galactica (x2), Space: Above and Beyond, Andromeda, Star Wars (x6). Not sure about Farscape, as I haven't seen it. Firefly doesn't quite count. There's supposedly yet another spinoff of BSG in the works -- about yet another space war, or maybe just a rehash of the first one.


I'm sure a good writer could come up with a series premise that somehow didn't involve wars and politics. Stranger things have happened.

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Report this Nov. 30 2011, 6:24 pm

Farscape is probably closer to Voyager (or SGU, or even Futurama) thematically speaking.


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OtakuJo

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Report this Nov. 30 2011, 6:26 pm

Quote: guillermo.mejía @ Nov. 30 2011, 7:59 am

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>When people say Post-Dominio War, is that right after?

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Depends on to whom you are talking, but generally it either means in the subsequent years (or perhaps a decade or two), or simply just after.


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Report this Nov. 30 2011, 7:59 pm

Quote: guillermo.mejía @ Nov. 30 2011, 7:59 am

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>When people say Post-Dominio War, is that right after?

>I think he need a lenghty time skip, Not the 80 years for TNG, but maybe 40, that way allowing for TNG-Era guest stars with just a need for makeup, rather than Time travel, Transporter, or Anomaly filled plot points.

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Or trying to convice us that Troi and Riker looked that old in TNG.


Seems a good solution, and would allow the fans to see the old cast we all love so much, and see where they are in their StarFleet careers/lives.


Post just means after. So to say one doesn't want to see anything Post-Dominion would be saything they don't want to continue into the linear future after DS9 & VOY


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Report this Dec. 01 2011, 5:25 am

Quote: Pooneil @ Nov. 30 2011, 10:57 am

Quote: Vger23 @ Nov. 30 2011, 9:57 am

Quote: Pooneil @ Nov. 29 2011, 1:04 pm

Quote: Vger23 @ Nov. 29 2011, 9:08 am

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>What I'd like to know is why people keep suggesting series that are "post dominion war" and have all these fanwanky galactic politics / interstellar warfare themes? Seriously...is this really what the majority of Star Trek fans want to see these days?

>I weep for the future.  

>

Apparently, that is exactly what the majority of Star Trek fans want to see. Or at least the most vocal fans. Or maybe just the ones who post on message boards about their hopes for the next series. Just about every premise I've read for a future series or movie involves galactic politics and interstellar warfare. It gets a bit repetitive.

It's more than just repetitive. How many space wars / intergalactic politics sci-fi shows and movies have already been made? Hell, even within the Trek franchise itself it's been done before (and well) with DS9.

This is why the general fan population drives me bonkers.

Let's see: DS9, Enterprise, Babylon 5, Stargate SG-1, Stargate Atlantis, Battlestar Galactica (x2), Space: Above and Beyond, Andromeda, Star Wars (x6). Not sure about Farscape, as I haven't seen it. Firefly doesn't quite count. There's supposedly yet another spinoff of BSG in the works -- about yet another space war, or maybe just a rehash of the first one.

style="text-decoration: underline;">>>I'm sure a good writer could come up with a series premise that somehow didn't involve wars and politics. Stranger things have happened.

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It's true! Stranger things HAVE happened. Back in the mid-60's, some crackpot named Roddenfinkle or something came up with this weird little sci-fi adventure show that was about characters, great story telling, exploring the human condition, and having simple but thought-provoking fun. And, I THINK it was kind of a big hit. And, I'm pretty sure it wasn't about space wars or interstellar politics. How is it that anyone watched that thing, anyway???


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Report this Dec. 01 2011, 11:44 pm

Quote: Vger23 @ Dec. 01 2011, 5:25 am

Quote: Pooneil @ Nov. 30 2011, 10:57 am

Quote: Vger23 @ Nov. 30 2011, 9:57 am

Quote: Pooneil @ Nov. 29 2011, 1:04 pm

Quote: Vger23 @ Nov. 29 2011, 9:08 am

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>What I'd like to know is why people keep suggesting series that are "post dominion war" and have all these fanwanky galactic politics / interstellar warfare themes? Seriously...is this really what the majority of Star Trek fans want to see these days?

>I weep for the future.  

>

Apparently, that is exactly what the majority of Star Trek fans want to see. Or at least the most vocal fans. Or maybe just the ones who post on message boards about their hopes for the next series. Just about every premise I've read for a future series or movie involves galactic politics and interstellar warfare. It gets a bit repetitive.

It's more than just repetitive. How many space wars / intergalactic politics sci-fi shows and movies have already been made? Hell, even within the Trek franchise itself it's been done before (and well) with DS9.

This is why the general fan population drives me bonkers.

Let's see: DS9, Enterprise, Babylon 5, Stargate SG-1, Stargate Atlantis, Battlestar Galactica (x2), Space: Above and Beyond, Andromeda, Star Wars (x6). Not sure about Farscape, as I haven't seen it. Firefly doesn't quite count. There's supposedly yet another spinoff of BSG in the works -- about yet another space war, or maybe just a rehash of the first one.

style="text-decoration: underline;">>>I'm sure a good writer could come up with a series premise that somehow didn't involve wars and politics. Stranger things have happened.

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It's true! Stranger things HAVE happened. Back in the mid-60's, some crackpot named Roddenfinkle or something came up with this weird little sci-fi adventure show that was about characters, great story telling, exploring the human condition, and having simple but thought-provoking fun. And, I THINK it was kind of a big hit. And, I'm pretty sure it wasn't about space wars or interstellar politics. How is it that anyone watched that thing, anyway???


To be fair, that series was cancelled. (it wasn't until much later that its greatness was realized)


and I do hear everything you're saying about space wars and politics, but truth is, for whatever reason there's always been a large sci-fi following for that sort of thing. It might not be for us, but it's always been there and always will be. It's a huge reason as to why there was a Dominion war or a new BSG, and there will always be those that don't go for it, but it'll never go away.


It's arguable how mainstream it is, but since sci-fi is so broad, it's one of the great reasons that any series can be as including or not of however many different sci-fi aspects there are.


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Report this Dec. 02 2011, 4:19 am

Quote: Blockman @ Dec. 01 2011, 11:44 pm

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>and I do hear everything you're saying about space wars and politics, but truth is, for whatever reason there's always been a large sci-fi following for that sort of thing. It might not be for us, but it's always been there and always will be. It's a huge reason as to why there was a Dominion war or a new BSG, and there will always be those that don't go for it, but it'll never go away.

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Infinite Diversity, my friend.


It is true not everyone is going to want the same things from a new sci-fi series.


Personally I'm a history buff and a huge fan of epic and mythology -- so those things come into play with what I love in spec-fiction... and that includes the established political, cultural, social, & historical context/s.


I don't see myself as being alone in this perspective.


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Report this Dec. 03 2011, 5:19 am

Quote: OtakuJo @ Dec. 02 2011, 4:19 am

Quote: Blockman @ Dec. 01 2011, 11:44 pm

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>and I do hear everything you're saying about space wars and politics, but truth is, for whatever reason there's always been a large sci-fi following for that sort of thing. It might not be for us, but it's always been there and always will be. It's a huge reason as to why there was a Dominion war or a new BSG, and there will always be those that don't go for it, but it'll never go away.

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Infinite Diversity, my friend.

It is true not everyone is going to want the same things from a new sci-fi series.

Personally I'm a history buff and a huge fan of epic and mythology -- so those things come into play with what I love in spec-fiction... and that includes the established political, cultural, social, & historical context/s.

I don't see myself as being alone in this perspective.


I'm not trying to be coy or anything, but what's "epic"? Is that a genre?


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Report this Dec. 04 2011, 2:41 pm

I did suggest post-Dominion war in one of these threads.  The post-Dominion war idea just lets people see some of the aftermath.  I did not suggest it include another large scale war, but keep in mind that whatever is done there will be some conflict.  That would simply be a good back story.  Some of it would be about conflict, but some would also be about trying to make temporary alliances of convenience into long term alliances of friendship, and rebuilding after widespread devastation.

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Report this Dec. 04 2011, 2:54 pm

I'm not trying to be coy or anything, but what's "epic"? Is that a genre?


 


Not a problem; it's a cool question which I'm happy to answer.


 


Epic is a genre -- basically your very long, very old poems, which usually feature heroes and such and (early on at least) were generally sung at feasts, although Roman epics were more often read than sung. eg


The Epic of Gilgamesh
The Iliad
The Odyssey
The Aeneid
The Metamorphoses
Beowulf


etc.


Generally it's quite grandiose and complex in its narrative -- hence our English adjective "epic" to indicate something notably long, grand, and / or just generally awesome.

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Report this Dec. 05 2011, 3:01 am

Quote: OtakuJo @ Dec. 04 2011, 2:54 pm

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>I'm not trying to be coy or anything, but what's "epic"? Is that a genre?

>Not a problem; it's a cool question which I'm happy to answer.

>Epic is a genre -- basically your very long, very old poems, which usually feature heroes and such and (early on at least) were generally sung at feasts, although Roman epics were more often read than sung. eg

>The Epic of Gilgamesh
The Iliad
The Odyssey
The Aeneid
The Metamorphoses
Beowulf

>etc.

>Generally it's quite grandiose and complex in its narrative -- hence our English adjective "epic" to indicate something notably long, grand, and / or just generally awesome.

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Very cool. Would you count movies like Troy and 300? I'm curious, since you're a history buff, how do you view those movies? Do you consider them accurate? Do you care if a hollywood movie decides to make them or not?


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Report this Dec. 15 2011, 6:12 pm

I'd like to see the Romulan - Vulcan thing explored and the Talosians revisited in a Pike - April era with also a better reason why man had to go to the stars.

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Report this Dec. 16 2011, 11:08 am


I would like to see a "Captain's Chair" series.  12 episodes per season, with 3-episode arcs for 4 Captains, ships, and her crew.


Revisit famous battles previously only mentioned in hushed tones in Star Trek.  I'd love to see the last days of Enterprise C, protecting the Klingon outpost from a Romulan attack.  Fighting to the last man.  It must have been something spectacular if it was the key event to help lay down peace negotiations with the Klingons.


Another one I'd like to see is the USS Bozeman.  The "culture shock" of having to try and fit in, dealing with being an out dated crew, losing their entire families and friends.  It was covered a little bit in one of the audiobooks.  This serial could conclude with the fight at Earth during First Contact.  I'd love to see a TOS era captain take on the Borg.  It'd be a great mix of old and new.


And it wouldn't have to be limited to Federation ships.  There could be other famous battles from other cultures thrown in there.  Famous Klingon or Vulcan captains and their ships and crews, doing the impossible and creating legends.


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