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TNG and Dr. Crusher

Pooneil

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Report this Dec. 08 2011, 10:19 am

Quote: scott.johnson_844542359 @ Dec. 07 2011, 9:29 pm

Quote: Pooneil @ Dec. 05 2011, 12:03 pm

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>Is that Muldaur's problem, or the audience's? I never thought Pulaski was a domineering bitch, or that she was trying to prove herself in a man's world, or anything of the sort. Nor did I think that of any of the other women on Star Trek -- Shelby, Admiral Nechayev, Janeway, etc. Some people are argumentative regardless of their gender; being a woman does not make one naturally more demure. If the audience gets such a vibe from Pulaski, isn't it their fault for automatically percieving authoritative women in a misogynist manner?

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It probably is, yes. I don't like Diana Muldaur and I don't really have a good reason for that dislike either. Probably some association that I can't identify.

It's also not my intention to be mysogynistic, I don't have this problem with Janeway as a captain, Crusher as a CMO, T'Pol as a first officer or Yar as a chief tacticle and security officer. But with Muldaur, I perceive an underlying chip on her shoulder that she seemed to incorporate into the role of Pulaski. Whether it's there or not is irrellevent, in my mind, it's there.

It also seems to me that Muldaur ran into personallity conflicts with other cast members and producers making her stint on TNG short lived.


I don't mean to accuse you of anything, but sometimes I wonder if fans react to a character unconsciously because of their gender. Pulaski, Seven of Nine, etc. I probably do it too; maybe it's why I prefer Ezri Dax over Jadzia. Even the old "Kirk vs. Picard" debate: so much of the pro-Kirk side of it seems to be based on how a man is meant to behave.

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Report this Dec. 08 2011, 2:26 pm

Quote: TrekkieCavico120797 @ Dec. 08 2011, 9:39 am

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>I insist that you watch the second season.  Although Pulasky is not as welcomed as Dr. Crusher, the stories and plots of this season are GREAT! I believe some of the episodes of this season will help you understand the plots in the following seasons.  I guess you will just have to keep watching to find out.

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I did. And you are right. I'm into the sixth season now. In spite of my dislike for Muldaur, she didn't ruin the show for me. I'm still glad they brought McFadden back in the third season though.


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Report this Dec. 08 2011, 2:48 pm

Quote: Pooneil @ Dec. 08 2011, 10:19 am

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>I don't mean to accuse you of anything, but sometimes I wonder if fans react to a character unconsciously because of their gender. Pulaski, Seven of Nine, etc. I probably do it too; maybe it's why I prefer Ezri Dax over Jadzia. Even the old "Kirk vs. Picard" debate: so much of the pro-Kirk side of it seems to be based on how a man is meant to behave.

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It's all good Pooneil. I have to wonder if my disdain for Muldaur isn't because of her gender either. Back in the 70s and 80s, Muldaur played a girlfriend to Dennis Weaver's "McCloud" and Jack klugman's "Quincy". I didn't like her then either but I did like both of those shows.


McFadden's Crusher was a far more likable character as well as more attractive. (beauty being in the eye of the beholder of course) So it didn't help that someone who I didn't like was replacing someone that I did. Had Pulaski replaced McCoy, I don't think that it would have bothered me near as much.


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Report this Dec. 10 2011, 1:50 am

I think the feeling to which you refer may have had something to do with Muldaur having been a veteran from TOS and kind of sick of Star Trek by that point. It's not a reflection on her as a person or as an actress -- being on Star Trek just wasn't the right fit for her at that point in her career.


Similar with other actors like Robert Beltran. (Sorry Chakotay fans but it is fairly well known that Beltran wasn't enjoying his stint on Voyager.) Again, not a reflection on his personality, but it does show a bit when an actor is not having any fun on a long-running production. Just like it shows when they are enjoying themselves in a given role.


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Report this Dec. 10 2011, 8:14 am

Dr Crusher went to the Travis Mayweather school of "Bland, Boring, Blah Characters."


I never even found her physically attractive. Just blah.

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Report this Jan. 24 2012, 5:26 pm

I think Dr. Crusher was the best doctor on any Star Trek series!  She is intelligent and compassionate, as well as beautiful.  If only we had more doctors like her now!


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Report this Jan. 24 2012, 8:30 pm

I love Dr Crusher. Didn't like Pulaski at all but I liked the conflict she created. 

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Report this Jan. 24 2012, 8:36 pm

I wanna make a Crusher-Janeway sandwich! ( with a side of T'Pol )


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Bikeman470

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Report this Jan. 29 2012, 8:34 am

Keep watching. Pulaski can be fun. Look at the similarities between her and McCoy. They even try to get friction going between her and Data like Bones and Spock had. But then she warms up to him. I would say watch them all. But the season 2 ender is a real stinker. Riker gets some creature in his leg and starts to die. Then because they must stimulate his brain to keep him alive the episode turns into one of those old fashoned Recap episodes with mostly clips of past episopes. Rememebr when those were the standard season enders before Cliff Hangers came into play? That one and a later season episode called Darmock are two that you might want to skip. Darmock is where Picard is beamed down to a planet and has to learn this language that these aliens speak that is all in metaphors.

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