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Voyager Reviewed From Start to Finish

msalay47

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Report this Jul. 08 2012, 12:52 pm

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>Overall, the first season is better than the first years of ST:TNG and DSN, but isnt one of the better seasons in ST history, with the producers failing to fully explore the possibilities provided by the format. It could have been worse though, Genevieve

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Couldn't agree more. Voyager started out much stronger than TNG or DS9. (especially TNG).

If Genevieve remained, Voyager might not have made it to a third season.

When i first saw the footage of Bujold as Janeway, i was amazed at how bad she was  Glad you agree with me. Voyager certainly has a far more interesting premise than ST:TNG. I could never understand those fans who complained about Voyager being set in a different area of space, as if that was a disadvantage. After so many seasons of TNG and DSN set in the Alpha Quadrant, it was time for a change. 


 


I have to agree, Voyager had a much stronger first season than DS9, or Next Gen.  I  also did not care for Genevieve. Mulgrew was a fine choice.


 

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Report this Jul. 30 2012, 1:11 pm

Thanks for commenting  Im glad so many people agree with me that `Voyager' was a great show.


DAY OF HONOR


This is a good one, at least the Paris/Torres storyline starts to go somewhere. The aliens look good, and have the same name as aliens who appeared in season 1's `Cathexis' though theyre a completely different species. Another shuttle is lost in this one - i dont think the ship had an inexhaustible supply of them, they just kept building new ones.


REVULSION


Excellent, with a great guest performance from Leland Orser, who makes the holographic Janitor who hates organics a really creepy character - he has a whiney, Peter Lorre-type voice, and theres a great scene where he rants at Torres about how disgusting living beings are. This is the first ep where the Doctor calls B'Elanna by her first name. Previously, it was always `Lieutenant' or `Lieutenant Torres'.

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Report this Aug. 09 2012, 3:15 am

THE RAVEN


This is just average. Season 4 tends to concentrate on 7 of 9 too much, as if the show and the other characters were treading water til she came along. The Bomar are amongst the most uninteresting aliens seen in the show, and they come across as arrogant and useless.


SCIENTIFIC METHOD


Brilliant, this is one of the best. The idea is an old, but good, one, and its executed very well. The alien scientists have a strange androgynous look to them, and there are some effective exchanges between the captured scientist and Janeway. There are also some eerie and weird moments as Seven can see the aliens, and the bizarre devices afixed to the crew's heads. A fantastic conclusion, i love the bit where we see one of the alien ships explode - that'll teach them to mess with Janeway!

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Report this Aug. 15 2012, 5:27 am

YEAR OF HELL 


A masterpiece, one of the very best STs ever, if not THE best! Stories about time/reality being altered are among ST's most interesting and this beats them all. I like the way the story unfolds over the course of a whole year, this first part covering the first 6 months, and with such great scenes as the deck exploding as the Doctor is forced to sacrifice 2 lives to save lots of others. This is the type of story that TNG couldn't really do, as the Enterprise was in the heart of Federation territory and this type of thing is dependant on the ship being far from home. A great cliffhanger.


YEAR OF HELL PART 2


The second part is a bit slower paced than the first, and its clear that the Krenim commander Annorax isnt a villain as such. Pity in a way, just for once it would have been nice to have had a genuinely nasty, unpleasant race for Voyager to deal with. The best is saved for last, as Voyager crashes into the Krenim vessel, leading to a `Reset switch' sort of ending - but what else could they do? The only problem with this, is that its so good, the rest of the season seems anti-climactic in comparison. It would have been good to have had Janeway and Chakotay fall in love and become a fully-fledged couple during the Year of hell, then when everything changes as the end, their relationship returns to normal.


RANDOM THOUGHTS


This is excellent, with a nice subtext about the desire for banned films and the black market that supplies them. The idea of a telepathic race that punishes violent thoughts is a good one, and the scenes where we see montages of violent images are ok, but not long enough. Interesting to see Gwyneth Walsh out of her Klingon make-up.

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Report this Aug. 15 2012, 11:18 am

Great thread. I really like the Voyager characters. But I found the writers underused them and overused themes like temporal paradoxes. Overall a great show with great characters but too many reoccuring themes.

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Report this Aug. 15 2012, 11:20 am

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>YEAR OF HELL 

>A masterpiece, one of the very best STs ever, if not THE best! Stories about time/reality being altered are among ST's most interesting and this beats them all. I like the way the story unfolds over the course of a whole year, this first part covering the first 6 months, and with such great scenes as the deck exploding as the Doctor is forced to sacrifice 2 lives to save lots of others. This is the type of story that TNG couldn't really do, as the Enterprise was in the heart of Federation territory and this type of thing is dependant on the ship being far from home. A great cliffhanger.

>YEAR OF HELL PART 2

>The second part is a bit slower paced than the first, and its clear that the Krenim commander Annorax isnt a villain as such. Pity in a way, just for once it would have been nice to have had a genuinely nasty, unpleasant race for Voyager to deal with. The best is saved for last, as Voyager crashes into the Krenim vessel, leading to a `Reset switch' sort of ending - but what else could they do? The only problem with this, is that its so good, the rest of the season seems anti-climactic in comparison. It would have been good to have had Janeway and Chakotay fall in love and become a fully-fledged couple during the Year of hell, then when everything changes as the end, their relationship returns to normal.

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Yes! Year of Hell is one of the best Star Trek episodes ever.

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Report this Aug. 19 2012, 3:51 am

Thanks for commenting, and i agree about `Year of Hell'. It still amazes me that, even with stories like this, many fans disliked the show, unfavourably comparing it to TNG.


CONCERNING FLIGHT


This is just average, though it was a nice idea to do a story revolving around the holographic Da Vinci before he disappears, this being his final appearance. Nice reference to TOS `Requiem for Methuselah'.


MORTAL COIL


This could have been a classic, but it falls a bit short. I was disappointed that more wasnt made of the rest of the crew's reactions to Neelix' death. Would have been a good chance to showcase Tuvok's thoughts. The basic idea is a good one though - its impossible to say for sure what happens after death - all you can be sure of is that it wont be pleasant - its either nonexistence, or eternal life, and both options are horrible. Nonexistence i suppose would be the better of the two choices, it would be just like a long permanent sleep. Thinking about eternal life really freaks me out, its a horrible idea - continuing endlessly forever, without any ending

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Report this Sep. 10 2012, 12:38 pm

WAKING MOMENTS


The idea of an alien race that exists in dreams is a good one, but this episode gets a bit too confusing near the end. The beginning is impressive, especially when Tuvok reports for duty without any clothes on! The crew getting together and comparing notes reminds me of a similar scene/situation in TNG's `Schsms'.


MESSAGE IN A BOTTLE


A nice, push the story envelope out type-episode. The basic idea of the Doctor being beamed to the Alpha Quadrant is a good one, and the team-up with the more advanced holographic Doctor works well. The end of the episode brings a tear to the eye.

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Report this Sep. 15 2012, 8:41 pm

I thought Season 4 was one of the best seasons because it struck a good balance between the serialized nature of DS9 and the stand-alone episode nature of TNG. The season had several arcs running through it which all kinda merged at the end. Even the little Hirogen arc ties in with the Borg/8472 war. The starfleet message is first discovered during the Hirogen arc and all these things play a big role in the outcome of the season, so you're always watching something that's going somewhere. 

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Report this Sep. 25 2012, 3:03 am

Thanks for commenting Meok, i agree about season 4 - strange that, even with seasons like this, so many fans still disliked `Voyager'.


HUNTERS


The main storyline, involving the Hirogen seems to start a bit late in the day/episode. The `B' storyline, in which the crew start to get letters from home is much more interesting, especially all the stuff with Chakotay and Torres finding out what happened to the Maquis. The Hirogen are very tall in this, something that would be forgotten in future appearances.

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Report this Sep. 26 2012, 1:03 pm

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>Thanks for commenting Meok, i agree about season 4 - strange that, even with seasons like this, so many fans still disliked `Voyager'.

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>The main storyline, involving the Hirogen seems to start a bit late in the day/episode. The `B' storyline, in which the crew start to get letters from home is much more interesting, especially all the stuff with Chakotay and Torres finding out what happened to the Maquis. The Hirogen are very tall in this, something that would be forgotten in future appearances.

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Hunters & Prey were a good introduction for the Hirogen. Too bad they watered them down in future episodes. You are correct, they appeared much larger in these two episodes.


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Report this Oct. 07 2012, 4:02 am

Thanks for commenting - i take it youre a DSN fan? Ill be reviewing that series after ive finished Voyager and TNG.


PREY


This was the last solo episode that Brannon Braga wrote for Voyager, a great pity. Its an atypical story for him as its a straight-forward tale involving Species 8472 and the Hirogen with Voyager caught in the middle, rather than his usual sort of `strange distortion of time/reality' storyline. Theres a great teaser, a great shot of the 8472 alien crawling around Voyager's hull, and a dramatic ending in which 7 of 9 gets another rocket from Janeway.


RETROSPECT


Another good one, but theres a feeling that too many stories in this season are focussing on 7 of 9. I feel sorry for the arms dealer, Korving, in this ep as he becomes the victim of a witch hunt, with 7 and the Doctor howling for his blood, for a crime he didnt commit. When Janeway and co realise their mistake, and Korving's ship blows up, it releases a feeling of hatred toward 7 and the Doctor from the viewer, and a reaction along the lines of `Happy now, you bastards?!'

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Report this Oct. 08 2012, 12:18 pm

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>Thanks for commenting - i take it youre a DSN fan? Ill be reviewing that series after ive finished Voyager and TNG.

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>This was the last solo episode that Brannon Braga wrote for Voyager, a great pity. Its an atypical story for him as its a straight-forward tale involving Species 8472 and the Hirogen with Voyager caught in the middle, rather than his usual sort of `strange distortion of time/reality' storyline. Theres a great teaser, a great shot of the 8472 alien crawling around Voyager's hull, and a dramatic ending in which 7 of 9 gets another rocket from Janeway.

>RETROSPECT

>Another good one, but theres a feeling that too many stories in this season are focussing on 7 of 9. I feel sorry for the arms dealer, Korving, in this ep as he becomes the victim of a witch hunt, with 7 and the Doctor howling for his blood, for a crime he didnt commit. When Janeway and co realise their mistake, and Korving's ship blows up, it releases a feeling of hatred toward 7 and the Doctor from the viewer, and a reaction along the lines of `Happy now, you bastards?!'

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I love all ST but I list DS9 as my favorite. (by a hair)


Prey is a great episode! 7 v Janeway! Whick one was "right"?


Retrospect is a very enjoyable episode. Did Doc learn his lesson?


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Report this Oct. 18 2012, 5:43 am

THE KILLING GAME


This is an excellent story, only let down a little bit by the lack of action in this first part. Its interesting that it starts with the Hirogen already in control of the ship. I still cant understand how the Holodeck environments can encompass such a large area, even if the Hirogen have expanded their radius for this story. We see Neelix and Seven travelling through the streets of Paris, with the Hirogen `Nazis' a considerable distance away, yet they are all in one relatively small room! I suppose such things have to be overlooked for the sake of the story. The cliffhanger is a bit feeble.

THE KILLING GAME PART 2

The second part is better, as there is more action to accompany the character scenes. Neelix makes for a pathetic Klingon though. The end of the episode is slightly disappointing - why cant we have a genuinely malevolent Alien race in Star Trek, why do they all have to turn out to be ok in the end? After what they did, the Hirogen should have been slaughtered, but instead we have a sort of ` now we're all friends' ending.


VIS A VIS


This is definitely just average. The plot is the same as TOS `Turnabout Intruder', with one of the main characters the victim of a body switch. Some good scenes, but i cant understand why Tom is envious of the alien pilot Steth's lifestyle, as Tom has it far better on Voyager. 


 

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Report this Nov. 13 2012, 3:10 am

THE OMEGA DIRECTIVE


This has an intriguing beginning, but just becomes a techobabble bore. When 7 arranges her own little `collective' of workers and orders them about, i cant understand why Harry Kim doesnt get the urge to knock her on her arse. Probably the worst ep of season 4.


UNFORGETTABLE


A rather ironically-titled episode, as it is totally forgettable, and only benefits from the intriguing idea of a race who evade memory. Chakotay seems to have lousy taste in food, as well as women.

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