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Voyager Reviewed From Start to Finish

Broadstorm

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Report this Feb. 16 2012, 2:58 pm

Quote: Spouter @ Feb. 16 2012, 1:07 pm

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>Love stories are one of the stock plots in film/tv, and it also seemed obligatory in the ST shows that EVERY regular character had to fall in love, whether they were suited to it or not. Its debatable whether the Doctor should have been allowed to fall in love, but i think it takes away from certain characters' uniqueness. It also seemed obligatory that even the most `evil' of races had to have a cuddly underbelly, so here we have a Vidiian female who is nice and friendly. The scene on the surface of Mars stands out, but otherwise, its the story arcs involving Paris and Jonas that are the best bits of this. I love the scene with Tom and Chakotay that ends with the first officer getting belted!

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Yeah, there does seem to be a propensity for (fill in the blank) falls in love... I notice you put the quote marks on evil when mentioning the Vidiians, referring back to earlier posts about them devolving from a peaceful & advanced society into desperate scavengers because of the phage.  If this is your first time through Voyager, then I hope you soon realize the humor in something you just said.

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Report this Feb. 16 2012, 4:06 pm

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>I realize that a bigger ship with a bigger crew is going to need more resources, but a bigger ship would also be able to hold more in reserve from when they were able to replenish, and again, how screwed they were varied by script.  There may be more threads on here about how many shuttles Voyager lost than the number of shuttles they lost.  How many of the crew could be lost and still maintain operations?  With a crew of approximately 135, they had a spy & a traitor, quite a few deaths, and their Delta Quadrant help left by the end of the run.  Does anyone here have a count of how many of the crew died before Voyager made it home?  There was an episode in which members of the crew were disappearing, which of course was resolved before the closing credits, but that is what voyager would have been like by the en of the journey.  As for the holodecks, a bigger ship would have had more than 2, and if they were really that low on power, then the holodecks would have been shutdown most of the time anyway.  Aside from the Borg, most of which were too young to serve, they seem to have only picked up 4 people from the Equinox. 25 deaths in a large crew hurts, but 25 deaths in a small crew severely impedes operations.

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If a ship has more resources then it is likely to attract people, good and bad. The bad guys aren't likely to be scared away from a crew that professes peace.

And while a crew may theorectically not use the holodeck, the crew of VGR did, as it provides a means of relaxation and escapism. It's not realistic to expect a crew with access to a holodeck or any form of entertainment to not employ it, especially on a journey that is to take 70 years at maximum warp.


They would use them at times when resources are not tight, but if it comes down to playing cards with others in the crew and having a meal or playing in the holodeck & starving, the choice is simple.  The frequent use of the holodecks, especially when they had certain programs running continuously until they started malfunctioning, basically sabotaged the idea of desperate need for conservation anyway.  Paris was the one who complained the most about Neelix's cooking, but he would run the holodeck just to shoot pool rather than replicating a pool table when Voyager was someplace where they could replenish their reserves up to their storage capacity, and he designed the long running programs.  StarFleet professes peace, but they still carry weapons, and a bigger ship would be more intimidating.  The Kazon had 8 of those big ships when they ambushed Voyager.  How many do you think they would have needed against something bigger like a Galaxy Class ship for example?  They might not have been able to assemble enough to pull off the ambush given that the Kazon sects were territorial & didn't trust each other.  Even with its small size Voyager attracted plenty of hostiles & scavengers.  Would they really have attracted even more without encountering more?

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Report this Feb. 23 2012, 3:59 am

INVESTIGATIONS


This episode is an excellent wrap-up to the ongoing story arcs, tying them both up nicely. When i first saw this, i was amazed that Tom would want to leave a ship filled with Humans, and equipped with a holodeck, that was heading for home, to live/work on an alien (Talaxian) vessel without a holodeck and stuck in the Delta Quadrant - if this were really happening, would anyone be so stupid? Its a great moment when Tom contacts Voyager and tells Janeway "It's Micheal Jonas!" Neelix's tv show is a good idea too.


DEADLOCK


I love Brannon Braga's eps - the man has an eye for an interesting story that keeps you watching, and this is another success. When i first saw it, i knew nothing about the duplicate Voyager, and wondered what was going on, especially when Harry gets sucked into space! The moment when we see Janeway leaving the wrecked bridge being watched by another Janeway on another bridge is a great moment. The Vidiians are well used - Broadstorm, i realised my description of them as `evil' wasnt quite right but was too tired to think of another term. Anyway, this ep shows them at their best. Strange that its the damaged Voyager that survives at the end.


INNOCENCE


Tuvok being stuck on a moon with some kids sounds like an interesting story - not!, and the Drayans at first glance seem incredibly dull, but once past all the tedious stuff on the ship, and the scenes of Tuvok singing to the kids on the moon, we get the revelation that the `kids' are actually old people, and the `Adult' Drayans are kids, which improves the ep in retrospect.


At this point, id like to address another criticism fans made of Voyager back in the 90s - that the show rehashed old ideas, holodeck malfunctions and time/reality being altered being the most commonly-cited examples. Apart from the fact that no 2 stories are exactly alike between TNG and Voyager, the fact is, stories about the holodeck and time/reality being changed are part and parcel of new Trek (apart from `Enterprise' which lacked a holodeck), and it would be strange if a ST show didnt have them. Also, such stories are definitely among ST's most interesting and i for one wouldn't want to see a Trek show without them.

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Report this Feb. 23 2012, 4:30 am

Did you figure out what I was referring to in my comment about you saying something humorous?

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Report this Mar. 01 2012, 4:25 am

Quote: Broadstorm @ Feb. 23 2012, 4:30 am

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>Did you figure out what I was referring to in my comment about you saying something humorous?

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Nope, is it in relation to developments in future eps?


THE THAW


Excellent imaginative stuff. The idea is good, with a sinister clown who is the personification of fear, and the sets are reminiscent of the 60s show. One of the characters in the simulation is played by Carel Struykan, Mr Hom from TNG.


TUVIX


Excellent again. We've seen characters in ST spilt by a transporter malfunction, but never joined together, and Tom Wright gives an excellent performance as someone who is a mixture of Neelix and Tuvok - he seems to have closely studied the mannerisms of both actors. The end is good, but i dont think there is much of a moral dilemma - Tuvok is just a mixture of Neelix and Tuvok, they aren't killing him, just separating the two.


RESOLUTIONS


Another great ep. The situation involving Janeway and Chakotay is interesting, and so is the situation on board ship. I love the bit where formal old Harry goes to Tuvok's quarters to apologise and make his proposal for saving the two on the planet, and ends up getting reprimanded again. The return of the Vidiians is a surprise, and the final scene is well done - Janeway being more business-like than usual to emphasise that things are back to normal and Chakotay had better not get so familiar.

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Report this Mar. 01 2012, 4:37 pm

Quote: Spouter @ Mar. 01 2012, 4:25 am

Quote: Broadstorm @ Feb. 23 2012, 4:30 am

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>Did you figure out what I was referring to in my comment about you saying something humorous?

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Nope, is it in relation to developments in future eps?


Yes.  You commented within one sentence about enjoying the story arcs with Paris & Jonas, as though they were separate, which of course they seemed to be a that point.  But just one epsiode later, you learn that they are really the same.

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Report this Mar. 04 2012, 1:10 pm

Thank you Spouter for taking the time to do these reviews! :-) As someone relatively new to the trek world, people doing considerate things like this really help! Especially as I can never decide which episodes to watch first!

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Report this Mar. 04 2012, 8:41 pm

Quote: Spouter @ Mar. 01 2012, 4:25 am

>TUVIX

>Excellent again. We've seen characters in ST spilt by a transporter malfunction, but never joined together, and Tom Wright gives an excellent performance as someone who is a mixture of Neelix and Tuvok - he seems to have closely studied the mannerisms of both actors. The end is good, but i dont think there is much of a moral dilemma - Tuvok is just a mixture of Neelix and Tuvok, they aren't killing him, just separating the two.


I think theres a big moral dilemma, in spliting Tuvix they did indeed kill him.


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Report this Mar. 08 2012, 4:56 am

Thanks for commenting folks I'm glad youre enjoying them heath. I hope youve seen my TOS (which ive completed) and TNG review threads. Due to the vast number of episodes in these shows, i like to do my reviews in a `Bottom Line' sort of style, rather than lengthy reviews which would be unsuitable i think.


BASICS, PART 1


A superb end to the season, it has everything which makes ST so good - an interesting story, good effects, humour (very funny, the Doc in space!), characterization.. and a fantastic cliffhanger. Its good that the psychotic Suyder is back, but the bit at the end where we see he has survived and is on the ship, signposts a bit too clearly how the ship is going to be saved and the stranded crew rescued.


SEASON 3 - one of the best ever seasons of ST, imo.


BASICS, PART 2


This doesnt disappoint, unless youre a fan of Seska, and the Kazon who are killed, and left behind respectively at the end of the story. I remember a review in the UK mag Dreamwatch, in which the reviewer stupidly thought it was a mistake to kill Seska, and leave the Kazon behind (`Premieres should open doors, not slam them shut!') but the Kazon had been in the show for 2 seasons now and it was time to leave them behind. Some great effects with the giant Dinosaur-like creature in the caves, and its a shock when Hogan is killed in the teaser! Nice feeling of a change in direction for the show at the end.


FLASHBACK


Another great ep from Brannon Braga. The only downside for me is that its set during the time of the TOS films (complete with those hideous uniforms) rather than the series which would have been better - i would have loved to see B'Elanna in a TOS miniskirted uniform! George Takei and Grace Lee Whitney are good, and its a pity Nichelle Nichols refused to take part due to the small role she would have had. Some great lines - `Time to defend the Federation against gaseous anomalies!' and references to Kirk and co.


THE CHUTE


Excellent again, this has to be one of the most nightmarish situations any ST characters have found themselves in. The episode is more violent than usual, and theres a scene where we see someone get their throat cut right in full view! Tom and Harry are a likeable pair and the scenes where they are imaginig the food they will eat if rescued always make me hungry.


THE SWARM


This episode almost has too much good stuff in it! The main story, involving the insectoid aliens, is interesting enough in itself without the other plot, involving the Doctor's memory circuits degrading. B'Elanna and Tom's eventual relationship starts to get underway here, and theres a great performance from Robert Picardo, who is so good as Zimmerman, you start to think of him as being played by another actor.


FALSE PROFITS


After a run of excellent stories, this is a drop back down to Earth. Its a sequel to the lacklustre TNG ep `The Price', with the 2 Ferengi (Arridor and Kohl) who got lost in a wormhole at the end, being found by Voyager on a dull planet in the Delta Quadrant. The fact that the Ferengi being in this show is a novelty is the only real feature of interest. We also see Ethan Phillips in Ferengi make-up again. He played a Ferengi in TNG `Menage a Troi'.

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Report this Mar. 08 2012, 4:57 am

Quote: Broadstorm @ Mar. 01 2012, 4:37 pm

Quote: Spouter @ Mar. 01 2012, 4:25 am

Quote: Broadstorm @ Feb. 23 2012, 4:30 am

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>Did you figure out what I was referring to in my comment about you saying something humorous?

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Nope, is it in relation to developments in future eps?

Yes.  You commented within one sentence about enjoying the story arcs with Paris & Jonas, as though they were separate, which of course they seemed to be a that point.  But just one epsiode later, you learn that they are really the same.

ah, i got a bit confused and thought it was my comment about the Vidiians being evil you were referring to.

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Report this Mar. 09 2012, 4:37 am

I liked Basics, The Chute & The Swarm.  I didn't really like Flashback except to see Sulu & Rand.  It was nice to see Sulu get some decent lines or a change.  Shatner wasn't there to have the script rewritten to give himself all the good lines. I had never heard or read anything about Nichols being asked to be in the episode.  I don't know how they would have worked her in given that she was still with Enterprise, not Excelsior.  The Swarm was originally intended to set up the new major threat for a season or two.

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Report this Mar. 14 2012, 11:51 am

REMEMBER


This is often unfavourably compared to TNG's `The Inner Light' but i think that, despite the similar concept, this works better, with the whole storyline of the Enarans commiting genocide. Great performances from everyone as usual.


SACRED GROUND


This is a turkey and the worst of the season. Poor Harry Groener doesnt have much luck with his ST eps, having previously appeared in the equally dreary `Tin Man' in TNG. The idea of Janeway undergoing a religious ritual that lasts for several days is a good one, but the episode ultimately commits the worst sin a tv show can - it just isnt entertaining.

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Report this Mar. 14 2012, 3:34 pm

Memorial is better than Remember.  That is in season 6.

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Report this Mar. 25 2012, 8:02 am

Ill keep quiet about that ep and season 6 til i get there - keep everyone in suspense


FUTURE'S END (2 parts)


Another excellent couple of episodes. The only downside is the fairly lacklustre conclusion to part 1. Apart from that, its a masterpiece. Time-related storylines are among ST's best, and the joy here is in seeing Paris and co in present-day LA (is it true that nobody walks there?), and the wild idea of the Voyager crew facing the threat of a 20th-century businessman using 29th-century technology. Great idea to get the Doctor a portable holo-emitter as well - and when everyone in ST has high-brow (and imo bloody awful taste! - jazz and Shakespeare indeed!), Tom is a refreshing change, with his passion for comics and grade z horror films


WARLORD


This is ok, with a great performance from Jennifer Lien, and some nice gory effects as the tyrant in Kes' body uses her powers to make the aliens noses bleed! The only thing wrong is that Kes and Neelix split up here, and the impression given is that its because she is possessed - it would have been better for Neelix to have been dumped in another episode, when Kes was her normal self.

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Report this Mar. 25 2012, 11:47 am

I loved the Future's End episodes. They were very creative.


Warlord was never my favorite episode, just because...well, I don't know!  But what I DID like about it was Jennifer Lien's excellent acting. That was definitely the episode that showed her skills the best. After seeing that episode, I thought the Kes character could have been expanded on better because it didn't look like Lien's part was very challenging for her. 


Also I agree with you about the Kes and Neelix split up thing. Very true. 


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