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Voyager Reviewed From Start to Finish

Broadstorm

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Report this Dec. 07 2011, 4:53 pm

You'll see more of the Kazon.  Eventually, Voyager clears Kazon territory, but not without a few more episodes.  There is a problem, but it could be explained away by what was at stake.  The Kazon sects are territorial, and the sect that causes the most trouble follows Voyager a long distance.  Normally, that wouldn't make sense, but given the incentive of capturing Voyager, territory was not as big an issue, especially when the sects team up.

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Report this Dec. 08 2011, 2:31 pm

This was one of the main criticisms fans had of the first 2 seasons, that Voyager should have left the Kazon behind, but they still kept encountering them, leading some to ask if space was one big neighbourhood.


PROJECTIONS


Another great reality-twisting tale from Brannon Braga. You know for a fact that the Doctor is NOT going to turn out to be a real person, but the fun comes in finding out exactly WHY he seems to be a real person, and where Reg Barclay comes in. Talking of whom, much as i love St:TNG, having a semi-regular from that show pop up in Voyager illustrates how much better the Voyager characters are.

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Report this Dec. 08 2011, 3:36 pm

Quote: Spouter @ Dec. 08 2011, 2:31 pm

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>This was one of the main criticisms fans had of the first 2 seasons, that Voyager should have left the Kazon behind, but they still kept encountering them, leading some to ask if space was one big neighbourhood.

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Yeah, approximately 18 months would suggest that Kazon territory was huge.  I could see dealing with the Vidiians that long.  The Vidiians had been advanced, but then became nomadic scavengers highly specializing their technology.  It would have made more sense to deal with them over a longer portion of the trip.  The Kazon would have to be just slightly smarter than Pakleds to have spread as far as they apparently did & not have developed technology at least close to what Voyager had.

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Report this Dec. 08 2011, 8:09 pm

Quote: Spouter @ Dec. 06 2011, 6:45 am

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>NON SEQUITER

>Im something of a fan of Brannon Braga's stories, and this is another excellent ep. This stands as an example of what makes the other Trek shows stand above TOS (much as i love that show). The 60s show never did stuff like this, it was all straight-forward action-adventure yarns. When they did do a story about reality being altered (City.....), it was made clear from the start what had happened, with no sense of mystery. 

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Actually, I didn't like Non-Sequitur.  It was another "anomaly of the week". The only difference is that you didn't actually see the anomaly because Braga was trying desperately to NOT be the anomaly of the week.  The only mystery was that another intelligence was involved.  A wrinkle but not a real twist.


As for TOS...Voyager and the other shows wouldn't be possible if not for TOS.  Not becuase it started the franchise but because it built up the universe that all the other shows depend on as a framework.  If TOS had tried spatial anomalies without conditioning from a previous show, the audience would have said, "WTF?".


If you look close, TOS did have alternate realities but did them in a way the audience of the time could understand...first contact violations that created civilizations like Earth but not quite.  


Bread and Circuses is a great example.  A modern Roman civilization instead of an ancient one.  All caused by a first contact that poisoned the culture.  Patterns of Force and Piece of the Action are good examples as well.  Nobody predicted at the end of Bread and Circuses that the "Sun Worshipers" were really "Son Worshipers"...as in Christians.


Jim


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Report this Dec. 10 2011, 9:33 am

Thanks for commenting


ELOGIUM


A good but not great ep. This works on the basic level of the fun in seeing Kes eating dirt, beetles, flowers...The storyline involving the creatures `grazing' in space is old-hat, but the CGI is ok.


TWISTED


Love this ep, in fact it was this one which convinced me that Voyager was better than TNG, in the sense that Voyager had more potential. The idea of the anomaly that twists and distorts, not only, the ship, but the crew as well, is a good one, and the effects are good, such as when we see Janeway with 10-foot long arms. Apart from the anomaly itself, this episode is also a good showcase for all the characters, with all 9 regulars having something interesting to do. Its because of the characters that the ep never becomes boring - scenes such as Chakotay and Neelix chatting would come across as tedious filler, if it wasnt for the fact that we like the characters so much.

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Report this Dec. 14 2011, 2:52 pm

PARTURITION


This is a fun ep, with the rivalry between Neelix and Tom leading to a brawl in the mess hall. Janeway comes over badly here - 2 of her crew have come to blows and she seems to find it amusing, failing to discipline them and sending them on an away mission together. Janeway has a different hair-do here, but it reverts back with the next story. Nicknaming the planet `Planet Hell' is an injoke from TNG. The reptilian adult alien looks good, but the baby would have been better off on `The Muppet Show'.

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Report this Dec. 14 2011, 3:02 pm

Around this time , many ST fans, including `expert' Mark Altman, criticised Voyager for being set in the Delta Quadrant. Altman, in his magazine `Sci-Fi Universe', described Voyager as `Awful', and commented that the premise was `inherently flawed', describing the Alpha Quadrant as `a vast area of space' with an interesting number of races, and fodder for stories. He added that setting Voyager in a different part of the Galaxy had it at a `definite disadvantage'. I cant understand this point of view at all. If Voyager had been set in the Alpha Quadrant, it would have been exactly the same as DSN, or more to the point, TNG - whats the point of having 2 ST shows on air at the same time (V & DSN) set in the same area of space? By setting Voyager in the Delta Quadrant, Berman and co were not only providing fodder for lots of new stories, races etc, but providing viewers with a contrast to the space station-bound show. DSN kept fans up-to-date with the latest developments with Klingons, Romulans, ferengi, Llwaxana Troi, Cardassians etc, while Voyager featured the new races of the Delta Quadrant - it was a great idea, and it makes the fans, like Altman, who opposed it, appear rather thick.

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Report this Dec. 14 2011, 3:24 pm

Quote: Spouter @ Dec. 14 2011, 3:02 pm

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>Around this time , many ST fans, including `expert' Mark Altman, criticised Voyager for being set in the Delta Quadrant. Altman, in his magazine `Sci-Fi Universe', described Voyager as `Awful', and commented that the premise was `inherently flawed', describing the Alpha Quadrant as `a vast area of space' with an interesting number of races, and fodder for stories. He added that setting Voyager in a different part of the Galaxy had it at a `definite disadvantage'. I cant understand this point of view at all. If Voyager had been set in the Alpha Quadrant, it would have been exactly the same as DSN, or more to the point, TNG - whats the point of having 2 ST shows on air at the same time (V & DSN) set in the same area of space? By setting Voyager in the Delta Quadrant, Berman and co were not only providing fodder for lots of new stories, races etc, but providing viewers with a contrast to the space station-bound show. DSN kept fans up-to-date with the latest developments with Klingons, Romulans, ferengi, Llwaxana Troi, Cardassians etc, while Voyager featured the new races of the Delta Quadrant - it was a great idea, and it makes the fans, like Altman, who opposed it, appear rather thick.

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Voyager did have its problems, but I don't see the location as one of them.  I think they should have gone with a bigger ship with a bigger crew, bigger shuttle bay & bigger complement of photon torpedoes. to make it more plausible to have survived al long as it did.  Then there is the issue with the Kazon territory being so vast that it took approximately 18 months to cross it.  Again, I think they would have been better off dealing with the Vidiians over a longer time as it would make more sense for them to cover more territory.  Of course, it was the Kazon who looked (and acted) like Klingons, so they got stretched out.  The idea of the story was the isolation from the rest of StarFleet.  I wonder how this "expert" expects that to be accomplished in the Alpha Quadrant.

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Report this Dec. 15 2011, 4:44 am

Thanks for commenting folks, glad you agree with me.


I could never understand, or respect, the views of fans who said the setting of the Delta Quadrant was a bad idea - i presume they didnt want to ever see anything new in Star Trek? Apparently, after the first season was over, a group of fans started a petition to get Berman to bring Voyager back to the Alpha Quadrant, at the beginning of season 2!! Unbelievable.

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Report this Dec. 15 2011, 5:15 am

Quote: Spouter @ Dec. 15 2011, 4:44 am

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>Thanks for commenting folks, glad you agree with me.

>I could never understand, or respect, the views of fans who said the setting of the Delta Quadrant was a bad idea - i presume they didnt want to ever see anything new in Star Trek? Apparently, after the first season was over, a group of fans started a petition to get Berman to bring Voyager back to the Alpha Quadrant, at the beginning of season 2!! Unbelievable.

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I hadn't heard about that petition.  I liked some of the stuff that they did with Voyager.  there was the problem that most of the races they encountered would only be encountered briefly as Voyager was not staying in a certain area for a long time, but was travelling a long distance.  The Hirogen were interesting, and I liked how they were encountered.  First, the Voyager crew finds a long range communications device that is presumed abandoned, then they meet the new hostile.  This race is supposed to be spread out and always on the move, which eliminates the problem they had with the Kazon, but due to their cultures focus, they are not a highly concentrated faction which can easily coordinate large fleets to deal with the invader ship moving through their territory.  As a race, they are somewhat territorial, but they are not divided into sects that are fighting over real estate.

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Report this Dec. 17 2011, 5:27 am

PERSISTENCE OF VISION


This is a great ep, one that makes a starship appear a spooky and threatening place, a bit like TNG's Night Terrors. Its goodbye to Janeways holodeck story, dispatched with indecent haste before we get to find out the secret of Lord Burleigh's first wife etc. Not to mention Carolyn Seymour's frosty Housekeeper. The story is a little odd, as it doesnt seem to make complete sense - a strange and malevolent alien pops up, causes some bother for the crew and is then beaten. But why? Its so well-done though, it doesnt really matter. When i first saw this, the scene with B'Elanna and Chakotay was a complete surprise. Sadly, it doesnt get mentioned or referred to again, pity.


TATTOO


A fairly routine story, with nondescript aliens (or rather, nondescript make-up for those aliens) livened up a little by some unusual touches - subtitles when characters are speaking (not a common occurrence in Trek), the great scene where Neelix almost has his eye pecked out, and the unusual bit where we see Chakotay nude from behind - not something i particularly want to see, but i like it when a show does something out of the ordinary.

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Report this Dec. 20 2011, 4:23 am

COLD FIRE


This is a great ep - i like the bizarre bit where we see Kes have an orgasm surrounded by plants, and the bit where Tuvok's blood boils (literally). The female caretaker looks creepy in `little girl with a sinister voice' mode, and the CGI caretaker - slimy worm with tendrils - is effective but we dont see enough of it, due to the budget. Also, the ep doesnt go far enough with the horror aspect, eg; in Engineering where blood drips on Janeway, alerting her that something is wrong  - those crewmen should have had their faces beaten to a pulp! Overall though, an above average story.


MANEUVERS


Generally, eps like this, almost soap-opera type continuations of character arcs, arent my favourites, but this is ok. Actually, i think Seska and the Kazon should have appeared a bit more than they did - this is another fan complaint that doesnt hold any water: the idea that the Kazon and Vidiians were over-used in the first 2 seasons. In season 1, the Kazon appear in 2 eps (Caretaker, State of Flux), the Vidiians in 2 (Phage, Faces), making 4 out of 15 eps. In season 2, there are 5 Kazon eps, and 3 with the Vidiians, making 8 eps altogether out of 26 - this is hardly overkill!

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Report this Jan. 06 2012, 4:02 am

RESISTANCE


This isnt a favourite of mine, but its hard to say why as there is nothing obviously wrong with it. The harsh military regime are a good idea, there is good characterization, a good guest star turn, and yet it still falls flat. Oh well.


PROTOTYPE


Good to see Robots in ST at last. We'd had androids, computers and nanobots, but genuine robots were thin on the ground until here. The teaser is good, from the robot's POV with appropriate flashes of static, but the kinder, gentler B'Elanna is a mistake. Director Jonathan Frakes complained about the tacky appearance of the Robots, and never returned after this.

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Report this Feb. 05 2012, 4:41 am

THRESHOLD


This is an excellent episode, so naturally, a lot of fans disliked it at the time?! I can never understand why good stories like this are criticised and duff stories like `Initiations' escaped unscathed. The basic premise of `Threshold' is marvellous - experimenting with speed to boldly go faster than anyone has gone before. Tom's mutation is well-handled and theres a great scene where he vomits his tongue out! The ending is perhaps a bit ott, but overall, this gets a big thumbs-up.


MELD


This is excellent as well. Brad Dourif is great at portraying psychopathic killers, and the idea of him smashing someone's head in because he didnt like the way they looked at him is a nice disturbing idea. Tuvok looks really menacing in the scenes where hes smashed his quarters up, and the holodeck bit where he kills `Neelix' is well-done. Personally though, if it were up to me, i would have just phasered Dourif out of existence.

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Report this Feb. 06 2012, 6:59 am

I have to disagree with you on Threshold, but Meld was decent, and we'll see more of Suder.  You mentioned Brad Dourif.  Have you seen him in Babyon 5?

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